purity rings for girls but not for boys wtf

[artisticsolution]

i have seen a man go from normal to batshit crazy berserk because his car got stratched for instance

female emotions do not fluctuate like that over trivial stuff

men who complain about 'that time of the month' are hypocritical idiots

Thank you for proving my point Kayla. Here is one example...I am another. Tell me Chaz and Arising. Before the internet...how many women did you know personally who were as open and honest as Kayla and I about the thoughts we have? Your mom? Your sis? Perhaps...as a woman who is that close will be a little more honest....but I'll bet that since the internet was become popular...you have learned a little more about women in general....esp if they think they will never meet you.

I rarely talk the way I talk in this forum with just men I meet in everyday life. I am way more guarded and polite. In fact, until the internet, I don't think I ever had conversations like this with men.

I do wonder if it is different for the generation of women growing up now...who have always had the internet. Tell me Kayla, do you behave differently around men and boys in real life than you do online? Do you feel comfortable cussing around the men in your church? Not males who are close to you...like your dad or brother...I mean males who you do not know....like Arising and Chaz. If you met them first in real life could you talk to them the way you are talking to them here or would you be more polite?

[Arising_uk]

Do you know what it's like to actually be a woman and experience menstruation, pregnancy. menopause, etc? Are you as emotionally developed? ...

Given that these appear to all be times when womens 'emotional development' goes out the window to the hormone, I'd think you were defeating your own question.

given how much male emotions fluctuate across a day the emotional changes caused by the menstrual cycle are pretty minor

I agree PMT is a fiction.

i have seen a man go from normal to batshit crazy berserk because his car got stratched for instance

You're making a judgement that this is an incorrect emotional response for a male? But apparently this is the behavior of the pregnant, menstruating or menopausal women at times?

female emotions do not fluctuate like that over trivial stuff

Appears to be so when women are pregnant, menstruating or menopausal?

men who complain about 'that time of the month' are hypocritical idiots

I take it you've never lived with a women who apparently has this fictional PMT. Although its interesting that the behaviours attributed to the menopausal women in the 'west' appear to not exist in many other cultures.

I think many women are guilty of clumping 'women' into fictional groups as much as they accuse men of doing.
p.s.
Could you please amend the quotes on your previous post to make it clear that AS's quote was not mine.

[Arising_uk]

Thank you for proving my point Kayla. Here is one example...I am another. Tell me Chaz and Arising. Before the internet...how many women did you know personally who were as open and honest as Kayla and I about the thoughts we have? Your mom? Your sis? Perhaps...as a woman who is that close will be a little more honest....but I'll bet that since the internet was become popular...you have learned a little more about women in general....esp if they think they will never meet you.

We live in different cultures as the women in the UK, in my experience and before the Interweeb, were pretty much always honest and open about such things. Apparently they took the US feminist stance about such matters seriously.

I rarely talk the way I talk in this forum with just men I meet in everyday life. I am way more guarded and polite. In fact, until the internet, I don't think I ever had conversations like this with men.

Like I say, different cultures. Which despite the advances in economics for women in America still appears to be a fairly patriarchal place.

[duszek]

Perhaps the English are honest without being explicit, whereas the others are ... dishonest and blunt ?

Nobody can be all bad.

[artisticsolution]

Like I say, different cultures. Which despite the advances in economics for women in America still appears to be a fairly patriarchal place.

Hmmm...Okay, so I guess you got me on a technicality as I do not know the women in other countries. I suppose women there always tell you the truth? They never fake orgasms? They always mean it when they say they love you?

Seems far fetched to me but you may be right...they might always say what they mean and mean what they say. If that is the case, then I take back all I have said. You and Chaz probably do know all there is to know about women.

Must be really easy being a guy there...I mean to know which girl is only after your money and which one truly loves you for you.

[duszek]

Even though I disagree with quite a lot of what Arising says on the forum, he shows a remarkable level of emotional intelligence.
I would never dare to pretend in any way when talking to him.

[artisticsolution]

Even though I disagree with quite a lot of what Arising says on the forum, he shows a remarkable level of emotional intelligence.
I would never dare to pretend in any way when talking to him.

That is what I am saying duszek...on the forum you would not pretend. It' might be a different story if you knew him in real life?

Do you always tell the truth to men? Let's say a man....who was the nicest person ever but you were not attracted to kept asking you for a date. Suppose this man was good friends with many people you knew well and liked also....are you telling me that you would tell him that you don't particularly find him attractive and exactly the reasons why? i.e."You are nice but your nose is too big and you have body odor." Or would you politely tell him some other story that is more tactful?

[duszek]

I would behave strangely and thus make him feel that he is in the wrong film and he would give up.
I call it the English technique.

[artisticsolution]

I would behave strangely and thus make him feel that he is in the wrong film and he would give up.
I call it the English technique.

Yes...this is the point I am trying to make. Women don't always say or act what they are thinking about on the inside.

Here is an example where you are deliberately manipulating the situation to make yourself less attractive to him. You are putting on a facade.

It is my belief that all women do this in some form. Therefore guys have no clue when they say they think they know women...esp. the women they are attracted to...simply for the fact they have trouble admitting they could be wrong or vulnerable about the women they think they know so well.

[duszek]

No, I am honest in refusing to make him feel comfortable and happy in my company.

And: Men are FAR less insensitive and stupid than they appear to be (to some women).
They are rather good at estimating their chances with women, I would say.

[artisticsolution]

d:No, I am honest in refusing to make him feel comfortable and happy in my company.

as: If this is the case, then ALL women are honest...not just you. Or do you think you are above other women? They are deceitful but never you. If you were truly honest, you would tell him the truth. I believe you do what most women do...disguise their true feelings to save them embarrassment and/or others pain. I also believe that you would have agreed with me had I used a nicer word to describe what you do. I used the word "facade" which most women do not like to hear about themselves because we want to be good...like cinderella. Another way I could have put it was that you are kind to spare another's feelings by acting a certain way instead of being blunt. I think if I worded it that way you would have agreed.

D:And: Men are FAR less insensitive and stupid than they appear to be (to some women).
They are rather good at estimating their chances with women, I would say.

AS: Not all men....seems to me quite a few successful and intelligent men have been duped out of their riches by women. I am sure all of those women didn't get the wealth by saying, "I find you repulsive. I am only dating you for the money." I am sure most of those women actually believe they are good women....truly in love. Because that is another thing about women. We don't want to see our faults but we can see other women's faults very easily.

[duszek]

In "Washington Square" by Henry James it is a man who wants to marry a woman for money. He loved her but only with the money. When the money is refused by the woman´s father, the bridegroom goes away.

No ugly and rich man belives to marry for love. He only hopes that the woman will be decent to stay and to stick to her part of the deal.

What you call "honest" I call "blunt".

[artisticsolution]

What you call "honest" I call "blunt".

But we are saying the same thing?

[duszek]

Men are also diplomatic when making an ugly truth known to a woman.

The only point is to make sure that the other party understands what is going on. The means are up to you.
It is usually appreciated if the refused party is allowed not to lose his face.

[Arising_uk]

Hmmm...Okay, so I guess you got me on a technicality as I do not know the women in other countries. I suppose women there always tell you the truth? They never fake orgasms? They always mean it when they say they love you?

Seems far fetched to me but you may be right...they might always say what they mean and mean what they say. If that is the case, then I take back all I have said. You and Chaz probably do know all there is to know about women.

Who can know all there is about anyone? Who ever always tells the truth? A large chunk appear to have stopped faking such things, unless its for the big bucks I suppose. Apart from greed I don't understand the idea of saying I love you and not meaning it and I doubt its much of a common occurrence over here, but I don't doubt it occurs, its not just a common theme any more I think. Of the women I've met only a couple would I think behave as you describe.

Must be really easy being a guy there...I mean to know which girl is only after your money and which one truly loves you for you.

Never thought of that! Yes it is useful to be able to spot a fake orgasm and that women tend not to overtly play this game so much any more over here. But don't get me wrong its hardly a feminist paradise as I have no doubt there are women as you say, just as there will still be men who don't care if they were married for their money as its only the body they wanted in the first place.