What's stopping us from seeing the truth?

[SpheresOfBalance]

Hi friends,

Sorry to interrupt.
As far as I'm concerned you could never interrupt, despite what you have to say.

SOB wrote-
As far as I'm concerned, Intelligence is not decided by what you 'can' do, but what you 'should' do, where should is dictated by equilibrium and not by a 'will to power.'

SOB, you got it absolutely right.
I also draw this conclusion many years back, by analyzing myself and some others who were very close to me; my family, friends and those who used to interact me regularly. I wrote down it in my diary with some other thoughts, pertinent with this notion.

Here I learned my second lesson that contrary to the general perception, knowledge and wisdom are two entirely different things. Both are not synonymous. It may sound strange but in my opinion, knowledge is always borrowed because one has to grasp it from any other source. That source can be a person, a book, history or even our own experiences but wisdom cannot be borrowed or learned. It is inherited in one’s intellect and it does not change during the life in normal circumstances. We often assume that a moderately knowledgeable person can’t be wise but this is not true. Knowledge is just like hardware of a computer but without proper software it is of no use and that is wisdom.

So we see that a deed or an effort requires three ingredients. The third part to complete the procedure is dependent on the person who operates the computer. Without an operator both hardware (knowledge) and software (wisdom) are of no use.

The first and most important ingredient is a computer operator which is intention or will. The second ingredient is software which represents wisdom or intelligence and the third portion is hardware and that is knowledge. Later my experiences with people confirmed this conclusion. I came across many persons who were extraordinarily wise without any proper academic knowledge. How one uses wisdom is entirely different thing. For example, a thief is always more intelligent and courageous than a average person, but, he uses his qualities in wrong way.

A person with less wisdom and knowledge but more sincerity and commitment can produce more fruitful results than a wiser person but having less commitment. An intention always carries more weight than intelligence because it (intelligence) cannot be properly used in the absence of right intention and at the next level intelligence or wisdom is always more important than knowledge because it (knowledge) can be acquired easily if one has the wisdom.

IN SIMPLE WORDS KNOWLEDGE IS WHAT ONE KNOWS, WISDOM IS WHAT ONE IS ABLE TO KNOW AND INTENTION IS WHAT one WANTS TO KNOW.

with love,
sanjay
Of course I love how you always end in love.

Your words are clear and your thoughts are valued. I always enjoy reading your input.

PEACE, my friend!

[cindythompson]

People often or intentionally ignore the truth depends on the situation they belong in. Some is for own safety, they are protecting their selves or a loved one. Similar to white lies, we have to do something, even telling a lie, just to protect and spare someone in misery.

[Bill Wiltrack]

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Truth is by nature self-evident. As soon as you remove the cobwebs of ignorance that surround it, it shines clear.
~~~ Mohandas Gandhi ~~~



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[Mark Question]

thank you for your answer.

Mark, you can 'label' until the cows come home, and in the 'end' you'll be surrounded by cow pies.

some call it analytic approach but that was way more funnier. thank you.

I believe that everyone, are some, none, and all ism's. They are altogether separate, and yet one. They are separately un-together, and together inseparate. Why attach a label of someone elses ideas to what I say as if they could actually know and that it somehow defines me, pigeon holes me in a safe place that you can keep out of the way in the dark recesses of your mind? I believe it's safe to say that it'd be hard to find a thinking man that believes 100% of any other thinking mans ideas. There will always be that percentage that one cares to improve or ignore.

why there is philosophy at all? i believe it is allready mixed, bottled and labeled many ways like "Sheepshaggers Premium Beer", "unicum" or "piqeon hole 80%" or something homebrew without any labels. cheers.

I am just a human that was born, has lived, and shall die. I have my own ideas that are not meant to harm or destroy, merely find meaning in all this chaos of a selfish mankind, where humility, truth, honesty, fairness, integrity, compassion, empathy, love and understanding rule the day.

jumping to conclusions? or are you really questioning all you say and seeking the real truth, if theres any? thank you.

Truth: "actuality or actual existence." makes the most 'sense' to me, despite all the ism's I've read, and is not necessarily aligned with any particular one. At the end of the day, it's just the way I see it.

if you are happy with that then keep it. its fine with me. its nothing awfully radical behavior in the world of isms and reliqions, thank you.

I'm nobody, yet somebody; one of multitudes!

Somehow I believe you know all this already!

and when i was younger i knew much much more! now i am just old dumb critical fart. thanks.

P.S. Sometimes I do have a problem understanding your meaning, such that sometimes I don't answer. Also keep in mind that Lance and I have a short history, and since I really can't touch type I can't handle a barrage of data, unless I want to attach the computer to my chest 24/7. So never take it personal, please! Also, I sometimes get a little frustrated and huffy, but be assured I appreciate all of you with you input as it stimulates my mind. I'm already an improved "hunt and pecker" because of my time on this forum. And while 300 and some posts may seem like few to some. This is the most that I've ever contributed to a forum. For those that care to consider it a contribution?
PEACE my friends!

ok. thank you and world peace for all.

[lancek4]

Yes to MQ.
As to the questiion of determinism:
Are we capable of questioning that thru which we question ? That which makes 'sense' to us (I,me)?

[SpheresOfBalance]

Yes to MQ.
As to the questiion of determinism:
Are we capable of questioning that thru which we question ? That which makes 'sense' to us (I,me)?

I can't speak for everyone but I'm 'capable' of questioning everything. Now as to whether I have questioned a particular, well it would have to be noticed to be questioned wouldn't it. Of course I could take notice of my own accord or someone could pose a question that would allow me to take notice. A question has to be posited before it can be considered.

[MJA]

" IN SIMPLE WORDS KNOWLEDGE IS WHAT ONE KNOWS, WISDOM IS WHAT ONE IS ABLE TO KNOW AND INTENTION IS WHAT one WANTS TO KNOW."

with love,
sanjay


TRUTH

KNOWLEDGE IS THOUGHT

EDUCATION INCREASES THOUGHT

WISDOM IS TRUTH

ENLIGHTENMENT REDUCES THOUGHT

TO A SINGLE SIMPLE TRUTH

ONENESS OR EQUALITY

THE SINGLE SIMPLE

WISDOM OR

TRUTH

MJA

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[zinnat13]

Hi MJ,

KNOWLEDGE IS THOUGHT

I would like to differ on this. Thought is just a starting point of the process of knowledge.After this, thought requires confirmation to be converted into knowledge. For this, it has to put on the test of experience. This experience enables the true understanding of the subject. The last step is analyzing; as now, the initial thought can be compared with experience and hence, can be judged objectively. Thus the knowledge concludes.

EDUCATION INCREASES THOUGHT

agree

WISDOM IS TRUTH

No. Wisdom is a capacity to know the the truth. Truth is a subject and wisdom is just a tool or mean to acquire it.

ENLIGHTENMENT REDUCES THOUGHT
TO A SINGLE SIMPLE TRUTH
ONENESS OR EQUALITY
THE SINGLE SIMPLE
WISDOM OR
TRUTH

Half agreed and half disagreed.
Although i am not sure, but,as far as i am able to visualize the state of enlightenment, it does not look like reducing thoughts. As long as mind is there, thoughts will be always there.
Enlightenment may cause detachment from from thoughts, not abundance. One can 'witness' his thoughts going through his mind, instead of being lost in them. Hence, the approach changes from first person to third person.
Yes, agree to that part;that somewhere, deep down, at the scale of essence or consciousness, all are same. Hence, everything else is constantly changing and in the state of flux, and thus, illusion.
Thus, we can say that there is only one reality or truth,nothing else.

with love,
sanjay

[chaz wyman]

" IN SIMPLE WORDS KNOWLEDGE IS WHAT ONE KNOWS, WISDOM IS WHAT ONE IS ABLE TO KNOW AND INTENTION IS WHAT one WANTS TO KNOW."

with love,
sanjay


TRUTH

KNOWLEDGE IS THOUGHT

EDUCATION INCREASES THOUGHT

WISDOM IS TRUTH

ENLIGHTENMENT REDUCES THOUGHT

TO A SINGLE SIMPLE TRUTH

ONENESS OR EQUALITY

THE SINGLE SIMPLE

WISDOM OR

TRUTH

MJA

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Complete tosh and balderdash.

[MJA]

"Truth like gold, is to be obtained not by its growth, but by washing away from it all that is not gold." Leo Tolstoy

Wisdom like truth, is to be obtained not by growth, but by washing away from it all the knowledge that is not wise or true.

Enlightenment is this Way.

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[lancek4]

Sob says he questions everything. Do you question the basis upon which you question. For example,Is one capable of questioning that which is 'actual', which is to say, that thing sob calls an actual thing presented as such -- can we question that which grants us that actual 'thing'.?

And/or. Have you already come to a conclusion as to what that 'actual thing' is ?

[chaz wyman]

"Truth like gold, is to be obtained not by its growth, but by washing away from it all that is not gold." Leo Tolstoy

Wisdom like truth, is to be obtained not by growth, but by washing away from it all the knowledge that is not wise or true.

Enlightenment is this Way.

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Experientially the wise have to admit that knowledge is ever opening, there being more questions than answers in an unfolding and increasingly complex appearance of the universe.
This is not a process of washing anything away. It seems an act of arrogance to attempt wisdom by discarding.
Fools discard the evidence and are left with platitudinous singular and overreaching answers that can never satisfy the complexity of existence, by these means they delude themselves that their point of view is the objective truth and reality of all.

[Thundril]

What's stopping this fucking thread from stopping?

[SpheresOfBalance]

Sob says he questions everything.
You've really shocked me this time! I can't believe you are actually putting words in my mouth. I know you're smarter than that.

First i said 'question everything' as a directive or motto. Then I said that I'm 'capable' of questioning everything. Your phraseology seems to indicate that I'm currently considering everything but at the same time in no ones lifetime could such a thing be possible, at least in the totality of everything. Obviously then this indicates that one should take 'all' data with a grain of salt. Or in other words question everything before you commit it to becoming a part of what you believe is true, and therefore be prepared to question it again when new data comes in; question everything as it comes your way, which includes being prepared to chuck data that you've already considered true, in light of new data.

Do you question the basis upon which you question. For example,Is one capable of questioning that which is 'actual', which is to say, that thing sob calls an actual thing presented as such -- can we question that which grants us that actual 'thing'.?
Do you mean can we question our selves, because that's what it sounds like you mean. Except your way of doing so, sounds like an unnecessarily convoluted means.

And/or. Have you already come to a conclusion as to what that 'actual thing' is ?
The self, I see as all the associated recorded data from birth, of the five senses, which becomes more and more involved with each reinforcing associated layer of like material, which is why it can be said to be hard to teach old dogs new tricks.

[SpheresOfBalance]

What's stopping this fucking thread from stopping?

What's stopping your head from exploding from the frustration associated with your unnecessary concern of another's concerns as if you're a self absorbed, self appointed thought cop that cites others because things aren't being done your way?