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Capitalism & Human values, huh? He he he he he! Ha ha ha ha ha! Yeah!!

You know it's funny, most that talk about capital do so simply because they want some, so they can have this illusory power to make their lives easier. The funny thing is the only reason anyone can attain this fictitious state is because everyone agrees, well almost everyone. I for one find it a laughing matter, as i see it enjoyed by so many monkey brains, throwbacks to the Pleistocene period, OK, maybe not quite so far back, but you get the point.

OK, let me qualify. In terms of air, water, food, and thus land on which to capture/cultivate the latter two, (It's a good thing air is free, huh?), it goes to show that the human animal shall try and monopolize anything they can so that they can sit on a bed of slaves, which is in fact the aim of capital; to make ones life easier at the expense of another life/lives, Capitalism is actually a pyramid scheme of domination (dictatorship) of the slave population. It's what it is now and what it has always been.

Anyway I can see the importance of these things (food & water thus land) as they're fundamental to life. These seen as capital are only seen as such because they were stolen so many years ago, long before you or I were born, such that we are born into the world where all has been laid claim to. The only thing different between those that own it and those that don't is time, and of course the willingness to kill for it, well at least their ancestors. It's easy to maintain it's 'ownership' today, where they first beat you with their paper pulp clubs backed by their WMD's and cages. The last ancient people, that I'm aware of, that had a healthy outlook on land was the American Indians, and of course I need not tell you what the white man from Europe did to them, can you say 'United States of America.'

But money, I just don't see it at all. I mean money that's backed by gold and silver. This is where the aforementioned monkey brains comes in. whether it was Homo habilis to Homo erectus to Homo sapiens, it really doesn't matter who found the heavy, shiny, sparkly, yellow colored rock, which is all it was in the beginning, Silver too. I mean granted, some of the metal elements, thanks to supernova, are kind of eye catching, and as far as when they became bartering material that's all they were; fancy rocks! Now we know that they have some interesting properties for specific uses. And to be quite frank I don't see that either, because there's not that much that they're really good for..., really!

Silver is the best conductor of electricity but it oxidizes, like there's no tomorrow, so it's pretty much useless for make/break contacts. Then there's it's ability to naturally hinder the growth of bacteria, much to the Romans benefit. But today we have glass, pasteurization and canning, not much need for silver there, so what the hell is it good for these days anyway? The only thing gold's got going for it is that it's the second best conductor of electrical current and it corrodes very slowly, which is why it's used on this computer here's make & break connectors, but you still have to re-seat them every once in a while to burnish them. It's so much a pretty rock, and this is what we're reduced to? So much left over from the monkey brains of millions of years ago, he he he he, ha ha ha ha HA HA HA HA!

If you ask me, if you really want to base value on an element, be smart about it, act as though you've actually surpassed the age of monkey brains. I'd say that both Uranium and Plutonium should replace Gold and Silver for a lot of reasons. ;-) he he he he ha ha ha ha HA HA HA HA!

I'm just wondering if the human animal will actually 'ever' advance, and I'll have the pleasure to witness it.
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spike wrote:I don't think Walgekaaren likes capitalism. I think he likes chaz less.
On the contrary Chaz is really helpfull in my learning, something I cannot tell about your post. You should read more "Thus spoke Zarathustra" especially that part, there the snake bit Zarathustra :wink:
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chaz wyman wrote: 1.So why are you being so puffed up and insulting?

2.But that is what you are doing.

3.That would depend on the tradition of philosophy that you are following;
certainly not the Western tradition.

4.I'm sorry but I am having to swim through your ego at the moment.

5.This does not help at all. Faith only clouds judgement. Faith is the urge to
think the way you want to, to believe what you want. Reason and evidence always
challenge the world as you wish it to be: THAT is philosophy.

6.And to puff up your ego.
I am sorry that I took my part out but I wanted to minimize my post, you can still view the original on page 6. I have numbered your answers and will answer them acordingly. :)

1. If I appear rood and insulting as if I am puffed up. So sorry about it, cant help it. :| Wasnt my intention. You are not the first one to notice that. 8) I value frankness over flattering. :wink: Thats what philosophy is for me. It engulfs all my life even my faith you somuch dont like, but thats ok... :twisted:

2. Really? :shock:

3. What makes you think I try to follow western tradition? :twisted: There Nietzche; Kierkegaard; Lao-zi; Kong fu-zi and Jesus in theyr mind assets westerners to you? :twisted:
All the good thoughts are coming from the east and not the west! :lol:

4. Must exercise more meditation (i.e. prayer) then to destroy my enormous Ego :lol: :roll: :wink:

5. This judgement you so much value has its roots in faith like the frase from Descartes "Cogito ergo sum" was in faith and inertia that there is a good God who doesnt allow trickery, leaving the devil out of the game. Still many scientist use Descartes as if he would support them :twisted: Also scientists and philosophers think like they want to till there comes an odd man on the road with a lantern on broad daylight and seeks the Man :wink: If you cut the roots of reason i.e. faith then you kill science, for there needs to be a reasonable amount of belief in the future in order to support any kind of ressearch. For your scientists and philosophers havent come up with a better world than that in the old and new testament, you nearly adopting theyr mistakes, and havent learned a thing. Thanks to Christendom in much, but still, you are a free thinker, do something about it :roll: 8)

6. More meditations in order. Must put note on my PC - "NO EGO HERE ALLOWED!" :lol: :twisted:
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SpheresOfBalance wrote:Capitalism & Human values, huh? He he he he he! Ha ha ha ha ha! Yeah!!

You know it's funny, most that talk about capital do so simply because they want some, so they can have this illusory power to make their lives easier. The funny thing is the only reason anyone can attain this fictitious state is because everyone agrees, well almost everyone. I for one find it a laughing matter, as i see it enjoyed by so many monkey brains, throwbacks to the Pleistocene period, OK, maybe not quite so far back, but you get the point.

OK, let me qualify. In terms of air, water, food, and thus land on which to capture/cultivate the latter two, (It's a good thing air is free, huh?), it goes to show that the human animal shall try and monopolize anything they can so that they can sit on a bed of slaves, which is in fact the aim of capital; to make ones life easier at the expense of another life/lives, Capitalism is actually a pyramid scheme of domination (dictatorship) of the slave population. It's what it is now and what it has always been.

Anyway I can see the importance of these things (food & water thus land) as they're fundamental to life. These seen as capital are only seen as such because they were stolen so many years ago, long before you or I were born, such that we are born into the world where all has been laid claim to. The only thing different between those that own it and those that don't is time, and of course the willingness to kill for it, well at least their ancestors. It's easy to maintain it's 'ownership' today, where they first beat you with their paper pulp clubs backed by their WMD's and cages. The last ancient people, that I'm aware of, that had a healthy outlook on land was the American Indians, and of course I need not tell you what the white man from Europe did to them, can you say 'United States of America.'

But money, I just don't see it at all. I mean money that's backed by gold and silver. This is where the aforementioned monkey brains comes in. whether it was Homo habilis to Homo erectus to Homo sapiens, it really doesn't matter who found the heavy, shiny, sparkly, yellow colored rock, which is all it was in the beginning, Silver too. I mean granted, some of the metal elements, thanks to supernova, are kind of eye catching, and as far as when they became bartering material that's all they were; fancy rocks! Now we know that they have some interesting properties for specific uses. And to be quite frank I don't see that either, because there's not that much that they're really good for..., really!

Silver is the best conductor of electricity but it oxidizes, like there's no tomorrow, so it's pretty much useless for make/break contacts. Then there's it's ability to naturally hinder the growth of bacteria, much to the Romans benefit. But today we have glass, pasteurization and canning, not much need for silver there, so what the hell is it good for these days anyway? The only thing gold's got going for it is that it's the second best conductor of electrical current and it corrodes very slowly, which is why it's used on this computer here's make & break connectors, but you still have to re-seat them every once in a while to burnish them. It's so much a pretty rock, and this is what we're reduced to? So much left over from the monkey brains of millions of years ago, he he he he, ha ha ha ha HA HA HA HA!

If you ask me, if you really want to base value on an element, be smart about it, act as though you've actually surpassed the age of monkey brains. I'd say that both Uranium and Plutonium should replace Gold and Silver for a lot of reasons. ;-) he he he he ha ha ha ha HA HA HA HA!

I'm just wondering if the human animal will actually 'ever' advance, and I'll have the pleasure to witness it.
With respect to your forough citation of capitalism, thank you! :D
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Walgekaaren wrote: <Snip>

All the good thoughts are coming from the east and not the west! :lol:

<Snip>
I hope you're talking about the 'far' east and not the 'middle' east. Because the middle easterners are worse than the westerners. You don't see the ones in charge sticking a loaded handgun with the safety off in their mouth and pulling the trigger do you? But what can you honestly expect from a people that lives in a land that no human should. The sun bakes their gray matter. No, I'm not prejudice, I have just realized long ago, that the difference between the peoples of the world, is environment, 100%.

This is an edit:
P.S. As a rule I do not believe in groupism. I realize that everyone is an individual and should be judged as such. No particular alignment with any particular belief can be said to be the essence of any particular human. Instead we are all a combination of an ever differing set of ideas that are constantly changing, assuming growth, with our time on earth. Then it is a fools game to place any one particular individual in any particular group, as any particular group that we subscribe to, does not necessarily define us. It's just that I understand that the 'plethora' of variables that our planet provides causes a particular culture, along with their cultural habits over thousands of years, to have particular physical and other traits. For anyone that fails to see this, I recommend you check out the somewhat new field of epigenetics.
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SpheresOfBalance wrote:
Walgekaaren wrote: <Snip>

All the good thoughts are coming from the east and not the west! :lol:

<Snip>
I hope you're talking about the 'far' east and not the 'middle' east. Because the middle easterners are worse than the westerners. You don't see the ones in charge sticking a loaded handgun with the safety off in their mouth and pulling the trigger do you? But what can you honestly expect from a people that lives in a land that no human should. The sun bakes their gray matter. No, I'm not prejudice, I have just realized long ago, that the difference between the peoples of the world, is environment, 100%.
Your thesis on environmental determinism is rejected. If it were true then Aussies would be the same as Arabs; Finns would be the same as Inuit; Muscovites would be the same as Alaskans. Ummmm?

Just what is it about the middle easterners that you hate?
What is your evidence that they are not capable of 'good thoughts'.
In fact we have much to learn from them concerning their attitude to capitalism, as they have managed to avoid the idiotic credit crunch that has destroyed the West.

Here is and excerpt from something I have been reading on Corporate Responsibility.

" In grappling with these questions, it is important to re-question capitalism to understand it in plural, as capitalisms. Richard Whitley (2000) demonstrated that corporate law, labour markets and so on, differed across the world, so there were very different forms of capitalism. One ex-ample was Islamic finance, accounting for over $200 billion in assets in 2003. Many Islamic insti-tutions considered usury, and thus interest, to be wrong, due to a number of key principles in Shariíah law. First, money should only be a medium of exchange, a way of defining the value of a thing; it has no value in itself, and therefore should not be allowed to give rise to more money. The human effort, initiative and risk involved in a productive venture are more important than the money used to finance it. Second, a lender must share the risk with the borrower, the potential profits or losses that arise out of the enterprise for which the money was lent. Third, transactions should be entered into honestly with the minimum of uncertainty, risk and speculation. Fourth, investments should not support practices or products that are incompatible with the core beliefs of Islam. As a result, the charging of interest, trading in futures, speculation on currencies and investment in products like alcohol, were not permissible for many Islamic financial firms. In practice Islamic banks usually worked by taking an equity stake in the enter-prises they helped finance..."
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