Is the Universe rotating???

[Godfree]

There is only one reality .
Yet I believe reality is an individual experience .
No am am not confused , we all have our own version of reality ,
regardless of what belief system we have .
There is only one world , one Universe , we don't live in multiple parallel universes each reality existing in a parallel one .
We all live in the same world ,
How close as a species have we come to knowing the real world ,???
Science is slowly but surely changing our view of reality ,
The world believed the sun revolved around the earth until science proved them wrong .
Religion wants a moment of creation , most of the people working on the BBT in the early days such as Hubble were religions , some munk from spain or somewhere there , were the people putting this theory forward .
if the universe is rotating , then time and motion existed before the BB.
if time and motion existed then it would be like we see today suns and planets spiraling down into black holes as they gobble up their galaxy.
For those of us who believe the Universe is infinite , then time and motion did exist before the bang , and therefore.
"IF the Universe is not rotating we can take this as PROOF the BB never happened."

[chaz wyman]

The big bang occurred when you suddenly realized you were a conscious human being. It expands or contracts corresponding to what you say about it. It rotates or does not according to how you have come to terms with your big bang.

And this is true of all theories, thoughts and phemomena.

Aaaw yeeeeah! Chaz right on point!

Forgive my lapse into solipsism!

[chaz wyman]

There is only one reality .

Such an assertion is antithetical to your statement;

The big bang occurred when you suddenly realized you were a conscious human being. It expands or contracts corresponding to what you say about it. It rotates or does not according to how you have come to terms with your big bang.

If the second is true then you have no right to make claim to the first.

[Godfree]

Come on Chaz trying to show of your obviously vast vocabulary doesn't change the facts , if there isn't only one reality ??
how many realities are there ??, given that I have already explained the difference between reality and an individuals right to see it their way .
That is just because we imagine a god in our reality , god does not become real , Some believe aliens are a reality here on earth .
But that doesn't make it so .
One reality ,billions of confused primitive people floundering in the ignorance of superstition and mythology .
Each with their own feeble attempts to know the real world , the one real world that science is constantly seeking to expand our knowledge on .
so yes you can draw a parallel between me and those born again christians with a sign saying "one way"
that is if you are stupid ,

[chaz wyman]

Come on Chaz trying to show of your obviously vast vocabulary doesn't change the facts , if there isn't only one reality ??
how many realities are there ??, given that I have already explained the difference between reality and an individuals right to see it their way .

If we all see reality differently, in whose mind does this single unitary reality exist? God?
Where is this reality of which you speak?


That is just because we imagine a god in our reality , god does not become real , Some believe aliens are a reality here on earth .

And yet the myth that there is one reality is a Christian myth - think about it!

But that doesn't make it so .
One reality ,billions of confused primitive people floundering in the ignorance of superstition and mythology .

And do you consider yourself in those billions or are you special?

Each with their own feeble attempts to know the real world , the one real world that science is constantly seeking to expand our knowledge on .
so yes you can draw a parallel between me and those born again christians with a sign saying "one way"
that is if you are stupid ,

Who's stupid? Is it the person who thinks his reality is the real one, or is it the person that realises that reality is relative to all person's perception. Is it the person who thinks he has the right answer whilst others are stupid, or the person with humility realises that delusions are the result of different lived experiences?

[Godfree]

Chaz , you appear to be assuming I have laid claim to know this one reality .
I do my best but reality is there for us all to discover , I don't know all of reality , but I know there is only one real world .
Lets just use the world to make the point .
The Earth is a planet , I'm sure we agree .
No amount of imagining is going to change the planet .
There is one Earth and knowledge of this Earth varies from person to person .
The planet is reality , it's real it exists and it's up to us to embrace this reality .
A christian claiming the earth is 6000 years old , does not change the earth ,
the earth is still 4.5 billion years old .
A christian claiming god in this world ,
does not make god real .
There is a truth a reality that we all live in .
my search will never be over , as knowledge will never be finished .
But my challenge is to know the real world that reality .
The truth of existence .

[chaz wyman]

Chaz , you appear to be assuming I have laid claim to know this one reality .
I do my best but reality is there for us all to discover , I don't know all of reality , but I know there is only one real world .

i.e. I know there are flying pigs, but I have never seen one.

Lets just use the world to make the point .
The Earth is a planet , I'm sure we agree .
No amount of imagining is going to change the planet .
There is one Earth and knowledge of this Earth varies from person to person .
The planet is reality , it's real it exists and it's up to us to embrace this reality .
A christian claiming the earth is 6000 years old , does not change the earth ,
the earth is still 4.5 billion years old .
A christian claiming god in this world ,
does not make god real .
There is a truth a reality that we all live in .
my search will never be over , as knowledge will never be finished .
But my challenge is to know the real world that reality .
The truth of existence .

Where is the philosophy in all this Faith?

[Godfree]

Chaz , you believe in flying pigs,??
So getting back to the theme of the thread ,
The bbt that you seem to support talks about no time or space before the bang.
So where was all the matter .
when we look around the Universe we can see the processes in action where black holes gobble up everything and suns have a limited life cycle .
most of these would seem to require large amounts of time to complete these processes .
for all of the matter in the known Universe to be gathered at one point , would have by my logic ,taken a lot of time and motion to set that up .
Time and motion must have existed before the bb .

[chaz wyman]

Chaz , you believe in flying pigs,??
So getting back to the theme of the thread ,
The bbt that you seem to support talks about no time or space before the bang.
So where was all the matter .
when we look around the Universe we can see the processes in action where black holes gobble up everything and suns have a limited life cycle .
most of these would seem to require large amounts of time to complete these processes .
for all of the matter in the known Universe to be gathered at one point , would have by my logic ,taken a lot of time and motion to set that up .
Time and motion must have existed before the bb .

I don't think you are qualified to judge the worthiness of the theory any more than me.
I think it will be replaced simply because every other cosmology has been replaced through history.

[Godfree]

Well thats sounds like a concession ,
so you agree the BBT will be replaced ,??
by what dare I ask or would that be asking you to become godfree???

[chaz wyman]

Well thats sounds like a concession ,
so you agree the BBT will be replaced ,??
by what dare I ask or would that be asking you to become godfree???

Yes the BBT will be replaced. I said that way back.

I don't know what you are asking with next question.

[keithprosser2]

It struck me that if the universe was rotating, it would be detectable in a way that its linear motion would not be. In particular, if the universe was rotating, I would get dizzy.

I am pleased to announce that with the collaboration of my colleagues Jim Beam and Johnny Walker I was able to clearly detect the rotation of the universe last night.

[chaz wyman]

It struck me that if the universe was rotating, it would be detectable in a way that its linear motion would not be. In particular, if the universe was rotating, I would get dizzy.

I am pleased to announce that with the collaboration of my colleagues Jim Beam and Johnny Walker I was able to clearly detect the rotation of the universe last night.

I hope you did not also suffer the dangerous effects of sudden gravity


PS does this mean that when I drink alcohol the universe starts rotating?

[Godfree]

Well thats sounds like a concession ,
so you agree the BBT will be replaced ,??
by what dare I ask or would that be asking you to become godfree???

Yes the BBT will be replaced. I said that way back.

I don't know what you are asking with next question.

Well Chaz I put out a lot of ideas , my own personal opinion on most things ,
in your opinion Chaz ,,
what will the BB be replaced with ???
back to ,steady state ,? something else ?
I have posted before on other sites , years ago that I believe bangs happen on a galactic scale not a Universal one .
The idea that a Universe can be stopped and started makes no sense to me .
If there was a point when there was "nothing"
then nothing would remain ,
it appears that christians do believe in infinity ,
god is infinite ???
so there maybe hope in that ,
if they can imagine infinity , we only have to throw in the rest of the universe
and we are done .

[chaz wyman]

Well thats sounds like a concession ,
so you agree the BBT will be replaced ,??
by what dare I ask or would that be asking you to become godfree???

Yes the BBT will be replaced. I said that way back.

I don't know what you are asking with next question.

Well Chaz I put out a lot of ideas , my own personal opinion on most things ,
in your opinion Chaz ,,
what will the BB be replaced with ???

I will be replaced with a new theory that will save the appearances of evidence as yet unknown.


back to ,steady state ,?
Never.


something else ?
I have posted before on other sites , years ago that I believe bangs happen on a galactic scale not a Universal one .
The idea that a Universe can be stopped and started makes no sense to me .
If there was a point when there was "nothing"
then nothing would remain ,
it appears that christians do believe in infinity ,
god is infinite ???
so there maybe hope in that ,
if they can imagine infinity , we only have to throw in the rest of the universe
and we are done .