A black hole can be Vacuum.
1.
A black hole has a temperature within a few
millionths of a degree above absolute zero: T=0K.
/ Oxford. Dictionary./
2.
A stellar black hole of one solar mass has a Hawking
temperature of about 100 nanokelvins. This is far less
than the 2.7 K temperature of the cosmic microwave background.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole
3.
Previous Picture of the Day articles about black holes suggested that
the terminology used to describe “gravitational point sources”
is highly speculative: space/time, singularities, and infinite density
are abstract concepts, precluding a realistic investigation into
the nature of the Universe.
/ Oct 12, 2011. Black hole theory contradicts itself. By Stephen Smith /
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My heretical idea:
The ‘black hole’ with thermodynamic temperature T= 2,7K - –--> T= 0K.
is a Homogeneous Energy Vacuum Space between Galaxies.
Only Vacuum can have infinite spacetime, infinite energy,infinite density.
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Israel Sadovnik Socratus
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A black hole can be Vacuum.
Re: A black hole can be Vacuum.
Let us suppose an extreme massive torus or large distributed stellar system (say galaxy) with the emptiness/vacuum in the gravity center. Next, let us suppose such system is heavy enough to create massive “black hole” itself. How property has the "empty" gravity center of such big system? Is it able to catch photons, for example?
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P.S.
Let us think that black holes are real objects.
( For example: GX 339-4 six times more massive than our Sun )
Then we have the old questions:
From which partices does black holes consist?
Where does the mass of these particles come from?
We are again on the infinite circle of our foolishness because
we don’t know where the mass of our own Sun come from..
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Let us think that black holes are real objects.
( For example: GX 339-4 six times more massive than our Sun )
Then we have the old questions:
From which partices does black holes consist?
Where does the mass of these particles come from?
We are again on the infinite circle of our foolishness because
we don’t know where the mass of our own Sun come from..
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Re: A black hole can be Vacuum.
Our official mythical / hypothetical astronomy.
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Let us think that black holes are real objects.
On the one hand.
1
Temperature of a black hole depends on the BH mass
T - h_bar c^3 / 8 π GM k_b
where h_bar is the reduced Planck constant, c is the speed of light,
k_b is the Boltzmann constant, G is the gravitational constant, and M
is the mass of the black hole.
2
a black body is also the best possible emitter of thermal radiation,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_body
3
The supermassive black hole at the centre of a massive galaxy or
galaxy cluster acts as a furnace, pumping heat into its surroundings.
The only major heat source is the supermassive black hole at the centre
of the galaxy or cluster – also known as the active galactic nucleus (AGN).
/ Kate McAlpine /
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/47183
On the other hand.
‘. . . a black body is an idealized physical body that absorbs
all incident electromagnetic radiation. ‘
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_body
Isn’t it a total a cosmological joke.
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If you believe in black holes you aught to have your head examined.
What was seen was space contracting up to the event horizon
together with the end of time.
Some of us inherited the lie of omission and others have made
excuses for perpetrating it.
/ From an email /
On the third hand.
Astronomers have found an enormous hole in the Universe,
nearly a billion light-years across, empty of both normal matter
such as stars, galaxies, and gas, and the mysterious unseen "dark matter"
While earlier studies have shown holes, or voids, in the large-scale
structure of the Universe, this new discovery dwarfs them all.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0fb_1188365505
On the fourth hand.
Cosmic cannibalising:
Images show one galaxy engulfing another
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/scien ... 80652.html
Looking at nice pictures that astronomers show us
be sure, they know to use photoshop.
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P. S.
'But I don't want to go among mad people,' said Alice.
'Oh, you can't help that,' said the cat. 'We're all mad here.'
/ Lewis Carroll.
Alice's Adventures in Wonderland. /
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Let us think that black holes are real objects.
On the one hand.
1
Temperature of a black hole depends on the BH mass
T - h_bar c^3 / 8 π GM k_b
where h_bar is the reduced Planck constant, c is the speed of light,
k_b is the Boltzmann constant, G is the gravitational constant, and M
is the mass of the black hole.
2
a black body is also the best possible emitter of thermal radiation,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_body
3
The supermassive black hole at the centre of a massive galaxy or
galaxy cluster acts as a furnace, pumping heat into its surroundings.
The only major heat source is the supermassive black hole at the centre
of the galaxy or cluster – also known as the active galactic nucleus (AGN).
/ Kate McAlpine /
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/47183
On the other hand.
‘. . . a black body is an idealized physical body that absorbs
all incident electromagnetic radiation. ‘
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_body
Isn’t it a total a cosmological joke.
#
If you believe in black holes you aught to have your head examined.
What was seen was space contracting up to the event horizon
together with the end of time.
Some of us inherited the lie of omission and others have made
excuses for perpetrating it.
/ From an email /
On the third hand.
Astronomers have found an enormous hole in the Universe,
nearly a billion light-years across, empty of both normal matter
such as stars, galaxies, and gas, and the mysterious unseen "dark matter"
While earlier studies have shown holes, or voids, in the large-scale
structure of the Universe, this new discovery dwarfs them all.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0fb_1188365505
On the fourth hand.
Cosmic cannibalising:
Images show one galaxy engulfing another
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/scien ... 80652.html
Looking at nice pictures that astronomers show us
be sure, they know to use photoshop.
====.
P. S.
'But I don't want to go among mad people,' said Alice.
'Oh, you can't help that,' said the cat. 'We're all mad here.'
/ Lewis Carroll.
Alice's Adventures in Wonderland. /
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hello socrates, a few days ago i posted something in the philosophers stone thread about 2 words appearing out of nowhere in my head 'duplex' and 'radex'. (never hearing the word radex before in my life, not even knowing if it was even a word). then also felt a great feeling of undescribale warmth while seeing a picture before my eyes, that i described the best i could there. it looks similar to the picture you just posted, except it wasn't 'flat'. it was more like the shape of a 'top'. or a more familiar term might be a tornado. but didn't seem to be spinning. the colors and the placement of the colors in your picture are very similar. pretty much identical to what i saw. i even asked myself if i should try to paint this? i'm not a painter.
also, i didn't post this, but later that day as well, cold and vacuum came to me also. then, after posting some of this in the p.stone thread, i see your double universe thread. i've never read a thread of yours in my life until after this. duplex, one meaning where i live is a 'house divided into 2', and radex, from what i found online has to do with Non-LTE molecular radiative transfer in an isothermal homogeneous
medium", nano, Radar Data Extractor, etc..
i started reading more of your posts and then it became even more clear to me, and i even spent part of the night reading your website. i don't want to infer anything, so i will only say what happened to me in relation to the things you post and write. it is obviously related and what that means to you, i don't know. but it came from somewhere other than me. it could've been me stacked upon myself, telling me something. that's a possibility. but either way, felt like i would share this with you. especially after you posted your recent picture, which reminded me so much of what i saw.
thanks
also, i didn't post this, but later that day as well, cold and vacuum came to me also. then, after posting some of this in the p.stone thread, i see your double universe thread. i've never read a thread of yours in my life until after this. duplex, one meaning where i live is a 'house divided into 2', and radex, from what i found online has to do with Non-LTE molecular radiative transfer in an isothermal homogeneous
medium", nano, Radar Data Extractor, etc..
i started reading more of your posts and then it became even more clear to me, and i even spent part of the night reading your website. i don't want to infer anything, so i will only say what happened to me in relation to the things you post and write. it is obviously related and what that means to you, i don't know. but it came from somewhere other than me. it could've been me stacked upon myself, telling me something. that's a possibility. but either way, felt like i would share this with you. especially after you posted your recent picture, which reminded me so much of what i saw.
thanks
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your picture is more 'harsh' than what i saw tho. and too 'puffy' 'cloudy' and didn't see any lines of separation to indicate spinning. there was no green on the outside of it. more blue. although the light blue 'rays' beaming out of the top on your picture, weren't there in what i saw. although there are differences it still deeply reminds me of what i saw. and after seeing it, i even wondered if that is where i am right now. in it.
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I can only suggest you to go by your own intuitional way.bus2bondi wrote: i started reading more of your posts and then it became even more clear to me,
and i even spent part of the night reading your website.
i don't want to infer anything, so i will only say what happened to me in relation
to the things you post and write. it is obviously related and what that means
to you, i don't know. but it came from somewhere other than me. it could've
been me stacked upon myself, telling me something. that's a possibility.
but either way, felt like i would share this with you.
especially after you posted your recent picture,
which reminded me so much of what i saw.
thanks
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it seems to me, from the things, the events, that have had, that is where we are. where we are stored. something about it also feels like home.
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something came to me today about shadows, before i revisted your website, and came upon this quote there, '“Henceforth, space by itself, and time by itself, are doomed to fade away into mere shadows, and only a kind of union of the two will preserve an independent reality.”
your site is very interesting/wonderful, the things you say, and the quotes you share there. it seems to me you are far away from 1984, and actors dancing on your head.
your site is very interesting/wonderful, the things you say, and the quotes you share there. it seems to me you are far away from 1984, and actors dancing on your head.
Re: A black hole can be Vacuum.
More details.bus2bondi wrote:something came to me today about shadows,
before i revisted your website, and came upon this quote there,
'“Henceforth, space by itself, and time by itself, are doomed
to fade away into mere shadows, and only a kind of union
of the two will preserve an independent reality.”
e)
Herman Minkowski said about ( -4D ) spacetime continuum:
“ Henceforth, space by itself, and time by itself,
are doomed to fade away into mere shadows,
and only a kind of union of the two will
preserve an independent reality.”
It means that the Universe as whole is Two - Measured World.
One world is Minkowski union of spacetime continuum.
Another world is shadow of it because the time and space
are different conceptions.
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i'm posting things i feel to post from your website:
'In his last autobiographic article, Einstein wrote: "the discovery is not the matter of logical thought, even if the final product is connected with the logical form".
Here is one of his articles that I found interesting: http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/pdfs/jahn15_4.pdf where he discusses scientific problems and models. I got a chuckle out of this portion where Jahn is beginning to contemplate panpsychism:
"I once had the privilege of an interview with the Dalai Lama, during which I asked whether, from his perspective, the devices we employed in our human/machine anomalies experiments were conscious. After some reflection, he responded that if we regarded them as conscious, they were conscious. This somewhat enigmatic but probably profound criterion stimulated my subsequent rumination on the rampant anthropomorphism we practice on our childhood toys, our automobiles, and our computers, and led me to the radical proposition that all definable entities could be regarded as possessing some form of consciousness."
John asks: For a non-specialist, what's the conclusion (about black body)?
In 1900 Planck found what “black body” / a model of Vacuum / can radiate. The radiation goes only by “quanta” particles (h). This kind of radiation is electromagnetic radiation.
In 1974, S. Hawking found that a “black hole” / other model of vacuum/ can radiate. This is another kind of radiation. This radiation explains the thermal spectrum radiation of the beginning of star formation ( gravitation). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawking_radiation
So, we have two different kinds of radiation:
a) Planck described electric radiation from vacuum,
b) Hawking described thermal radiation from vacuum.
Questions:
1) Where does the Planck/Einstein factor h come from?
2) Where does the Goudsmit / Uhlenbeck factor h=h/2pi come from?
3) What is the physical difference between h and h=h/2pi in the Nature.
4) Can the process of evolution go without geometrical changes?
Without a physical/ geometrical theory we cannot answer these questions. The Natural world is not a “mathematical point”. Even the smallest object must have a geometrical form. And in my opinion, only when we begin to think about light quanta as a particle with a geometrical form can we come from image to reality.
Israel Sadovnik, Jun. 23, 2008:
Quotation: "It's not so much that there's something strange about time, the thing that's strange is what's going on inside time. We will first understand how simple the universe is when we recognize how strange time is." J. A. Wheeler
Jud Evans, Jun. 18, 2008:
*Time* is a reificational myth - a helpful fiction and the ideative product of the human brain. Like *number, movement, speed, appearance, being, energy, force... *time* is a metaphysical creation of mankind employed in order to enable him to interface with other causal objects (other that is - to the causal, abstracting, reificative object which is ...himself.)
Although utterly unscientific, these abstractions are required in order for science to do its business of measuring and making deterministically engendered predictions. Only when scientists grasp that it is not the * behaviour * of objects that exists - but * behaving objects* will the big TOE discoveries take place.
Put another way - *time* does not exist ... only (humanly) *timed objects* exist.
Israel Sadovnik, Jun. 19, 2008:
I have read your comment with interest. On the one hand, it seems you are right. Why? There are different definitions: * movement, speed, energy, force, charge, spin, field ...etc * The physicists take these definitions as independent physical characteristics and when some of them say: "We are always using these concepts but not a singe physicist in the world today knows what they really mean * deep down*"
'In his last autobiographic article, Einstein wrote: "the discovery is not the matter of logical thought, even if the final product is connected with the logical form".
Here is one of his articles that I found interesting: http://www.princeton.edu/~pear/pdfs/jahn15_4.pdf where he discusses scientific problems and models. I got a chuckle out of this portion where Jahn is beginning to contemplate panpsychism:
"I once had the privilege of an interview with the Dalai Lama, during which I asked whether, from his perspective, the devices we employed in our human/machine anomalies experiments were conscious. After some reflection, he responded that if we regarded them as conscious, they were conscious. This somewhat enigmatic but probably profound criterion stimulated my subsequent rumination on the rampant anthropomorphism we practice on our childhood toys, our automobiles, and our computers, and led me to the radical proposition that all definable entities could be regarded as possessing some form of consciousness."
John asks: For a non-specialist, what's the conclusion (about black body)?
In 1900 Planck found what “black body” / a model of Vacuum / can radiate. The radiation goes only by “quanta” particles (h). This kind of radiation is electromagnetic radiation.
In 1974, S. Hawking found that a “black hole” / other model of vacuum/ can radiate. This is another kind of radiation. This radiation explains the thermal spectrum radiation of the beginning of star formation ( gravitation). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawking_radiation
So, we have two different kinds of radiation:
a) Planck described electric radiation from vacuum,
b) Hawking described thermal radiation from vacuum.
Questions:
1) Where does the Planck/Einstein factor h come from?
2) Where does the Goudsmit / Uhlenbeck factor h=h/2pi come from?
3) What is the physical difference between h and h=h/2pi in the Nature.
4) Can the process of evolution go without geometrical changes?
Without a physical/ geometrical theory we cannot answer these questions. The Natural world is not a “mathematical point”. Even the smallest object must have a geometrical form. And in my opinion, only when we begin to think about light quanta as a particle with a geometrical form can we come from image to reality.
Israel Sadovnik, Jun. 23, 2008:
Quotation: "It's not so much that there's something strange about time, the thing that's strange is what's going on inside time. We will first understand how simple the universe is when we recognize how strange time is." J. A. Wheeler
Jud Evans, Jun. 18, 2008:
*Time* is a reificational myth - a helpful fiction and the ideative product of the human brain. Like *number, movement, speed, appearance, being, energy, force... *time* is a metaphysical creation of mankind employed in order to enable him to interface with other causal objects (other that is - to the causal, abstracting, reificative object which is ...himself.)
Although utterly unscientific, these abstractions are required in order for science to do its business of measuring and making deterministically engendered predictions. Only when scientists grasp that it is not the * behaviour * of objects that exists - but * behaving objects* will the big TOE discoveries take place.
Put another way - *time* does not exist ... only (humanly) *timed objects* exist.
Israel Sadovnik, Jun. 19, 2008:
I have read your comment with interest. On the one hand, it seems you are right. Why? There are different definitions: * movement, speed, energy, force, charge, spin, field ...etc * The physicists take these definitions as independent physical characteristics and when some of them say: "We are always using these concepts but not a singe physicist in the world today knows what they really mean * deep down*"
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Is it possible to see the different manifestation of time in a human being? Here is an article “ Even the time is pressed from fear” by Dr. Vadim Chernobrov (collaborator of MAI - - Moscow Aviation Institute).
He wrote, that we usually think time is a constant quality. But Einstein’s relative theory says time is relative.
Question. Is it possible to check it in our life? Answer. Russian and foreign researches say it is possible. The documents (secret in the past) testify that “cataclysm of time”, “ phenomenon of time’s perversion “,” the changes (its deceleration) of time” often is observed by people whose profession connected with risk: astronauts, pilots, drivers, soldiers.
The test pilot Mark Gallay wrote in his book “The test in the sky” when his airplane was caught with fire “ the time began to go in another scale. The time almost stopped. Every second took ability of expansion, and in this situation it was possible to do many things.” He confirms that tested such feeling many times.
The test pilot Marina L. Popovich said the same, in the dangerous, catastrophic situations “ the time is stretches”.
In June 1989 the soviet airplane MIG-29 crashed near Paris, in Le Bourget airport , in the time of its air show. The notes of “the black box” showed that during the four (4)seconds the test pilot Anatoly Kvochur made as many operations as in normal situation it would take some minutes. The test pilot later said: ” the time was stretched”.
He wrote, that we usually think time is a constant quality. But Einstein’s relative theory says time is relative.
Question. Is it possible to check it in our life? Answer. Russian and foreign researches say it is possible. The documents (secret in the past) testify that “cataclysm of time”, “ phenomenon of time’s perversion “,” the changes (its deceleration) of time” often is observed by people whose profession connected with risk: astronauts, pilots, drivers, soldiers.
The test pilot Mark Gallay wrote in his book “The test in the sky” when his airplane was caught with fire “ the time began to go in another scale. The time almost stopped. Every second took ability of expansion, and in this situation it was possible to do many things.” He confirms that tested such feeling many times.
The test pilot Marina L. Popovich said the same, in the dangerous, catastrophic situations “ the time is stretches”.
In June 1989 the soviet airplane MIG-29 crashed near Paris, in Le Bourget airport , in the time of its air show. The notes of “the black box” showed that during the four (4)seconds the test pilot Anatoly Kvochur made as many operations as in normal situation it would take some minutes. The test pilot later said: ” the time was stretched”.
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In June 1989 the soviet airplane MIG-29 crashed near Paris, in Le Bourget airport , in the time of its air show. The notes of “the black box” showed that during the four (4)seconds the test pilot Anatoly Kvochur made as many operations as in normal situation it would take some minutes. The test pilot later said: ” the time was stretched”.
The captain N.Z.(fought in Afghanistan) remembers: “the fly of the bullet was so beautiful that I didn’t guess to evade from it, although I have enough time to do it”.
The sergeant V. Ch (fought in Afghanistan) told: “ The black barrel of gun seems very big, even enormous. Time is stopped and full silence came. And I moved slowly a step a side and the bullet passed close to me.”
His conclusions - The people in a critical situation, on the border of death, suddenly for themselves begin to see everything as in the slow down film and in this time their speed reaction and power increase in tens and hundreds times. And this explains:
a) why a man who escaped from wolves, can quickly reach up the top of the naked tree,
b) an old woman took out a big trunk from her burned house, which later two strong firemen couldn’t rise.
c) etc…
The captain N.Z.(fought in Afghanistan) remembers: “the fly of the bullet was so beautiful that I didn’t guess to evade from it, although I have enough time to do it”.
The sergeant V. Ch (fought in Afghanistan) told: “ The black barrel of gun seems very big, even enormous. Time is stopped and full silence came. And I moved slowly a step a side and the bullet passed close to me.”
His conclusions - The people in a critical situation, on the border of death, suddenly for themselves begin to see everything as in the slow down film and in this time their speed reaction and power increase in tens and hundreds times. And this explains:
a) why a man who escaped from wolves, can quickly reach up the top of the naked tree,
b) an old woman took out a big trunk from her burned house, which later two strong firemen couldn’t rise.
c) etc…
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My experience:
The speed on the curve was so fast that I went on other road line and flew straight at the “forehead’ of a green mercedes. The driver of the mercedes was in panic. He threw the wheel and closed his face with his hands in horror. Suddenly the time stopped for me and I made many actions before my car kicked only the side back door of the mercedes.
It was long time ago, but writing this article I understood better what happened. In that time most neurons of my brain stopped their electric pulse (time almost stopped) and my Light Quanta/ Electron in this new condition (superconductivity) had possibility to increase my speed reaction and power on a short period of time and maybe saved my life. I must thank Him.
The speed on the curve was so fast that I went on other road line and flew straight at the “forehead’ of a green mercedes. The driver of the mercedes was in panic. He threw the wheel and closed his face with his hands in horror. Suddenly the time stopped for me and I made many actions before my car kicked only the side back door of the mercedes.
It was long time ago, but writing this article I understood better what happened. In that time most neurons of my brain stopped their electric pulse (time almost stopped) and my Light Quanta/ Electron in this new condition (superconductivity) had possibility to increase my speed reaction and power on a short period of time and maybe saved my life. I must thank Him.
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It is very difficult to prove correctness in our Orwellian mad house.