The End is Nigh

Can philosophers help resolve the real problems that people have in their lives?

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AMod
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Re: The End is Nigh

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Typist wrote:Well, ok then, here's a harsh truth which we won't protect anybody from. :lol: And to be fair, this is a harsh truth that applies to most forums, not just this one.

Just about anybody can join and say just about anything. There are no real content standards, other than we can't spam or upload our porn collections. Death threats may be out, but that's not really clear.
Death threats have happened in the past and they get you banned and all your posts removed, clear?
The result of this editing philosophy here on PhilosophyNow and many other forums is that all the best posters have wandered off one by one by one.
This is your subjective opinion but is the issue when it comes to moderation. As should I use my subjective tastes to say who is and is not a best poster? Who is writing 'correct' philosophy and who is not? My experience is that posters come and go.
Neither the forum owner, mods or PhilosophyNow writers participate here, leaving the field to be dominated by immature and often highly inarticulate typoholic bozos like myself, chaz, arising etc, who have become the public face of PhilosophyNow magazine on the internet.
I do not post because I think being a mod gives me an position of power that makes it unfair to those who may reply, as they may tailor their responses to my thoughts due to fear of being banned, etc.

In general those who get their work published in the magazine are those who have studied, are studying or are working in the field of philosophy, as such they tend to not post or converse in internet forums as the conversation with the un-philosophically educated is at a level that they've left behind.

There is now a section where articles from PN are published and if you wish a better level of discussion then I think this is where you should be replying. Who knows, the writers may reply if your thoughts are of interest. If not, there is nothing stopping anyone from posting what they would consider a better class of philosophical post. If I look around there are quite a few large posts concerning personal metaphysics, ethics, religion, etc.

You appear concerned about this public-face of the PN magazine, are you a subscriber? If so, why not post what you think would be a better post. Set an example so to speak. Or you could just complain to Admin.
You aren't running a philosophy forum anymore, but managing an insane asylum. Which you already know, but are too polite to say.
Again this is your subjective judgement but you have an odd habit of knowing what others think.
I hope this is harsh enough! :lol:

But is it depressing like old age, disease and death etc? That's entirely up to us.

Do we embrace the reality, or reject it? Do we embrace our immaturity, our inarticulateness, the fantasy poses we have created for ourselves, our typoholic mania? Do you embrace the fact that this forum makes PhilosophyNow magazine look like a Saturday morning cartoon show?

Or do we smile, shrug, pass the popcorn, and get on with the business of our hilarious imperfection?
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Are you saying I should ban you or others for immaturity? For fantastical poses? For being inarticulate? Should I delete or edit the parts of this post that I think are not philosophical?

If one reads and subscribes to the magazine then I doubt the forum has much impact. If those who do read and subscribe are upset by the forum content then I'd expect them to post what they think are more appropriate examples of philosophical thought. Do you think much of this post is such an example?

There are plenty of forums were a more rigorous approach is taken when deciding what content is or is not philosophical and what language can or cannot be used when talking with other members. So far I think this forum fairly accurately reflects the spectrum of human behaviour in the real world, there are nasty people out there, but if in future the Admin decide that this forum needs to change its moderating approach then I'll be happy to implement whatever they decide. Not sure some will like it though.

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AMod wrote:
Typist wrote:Well, ok then, here's a harsh truth which we won't protect anybody from. :lol: And to be fair, this is a harsh truth that applies to most forums, not just this one.

Just about anybody can join and say just about anything. There are no real content standards, other than we can't spam or upload our porn collections. Death threats may be out, but that's not really clear.
Death threats have happened in the past and they get you banned and all your posts removed, clear?
The result of this editing philosophy here on PhilosophyNow and many other forums is that all the best posters have wandered off one by one by one.
This is your subjective opinion but is the issue when it comes to moderation. As should I use my subjective tastes to say who is and is not a best poster? Who is writing 'correct' philosophy and who is not? My experience is that posters come and go.
Neither the forum owner, mods or PhilosophyNow writers participate here, leaving the field to be dominated by immature and often highly inarticulate typoholic bozos like myself, chaz, arising etc, who have become the public face of PhilosophyNow magazine on the internet.
I do not post because I think being a mod gives me an position of power that makes it unfair to those who may reply, as they may tailor their responses to my thoughts due to fear of being banned, etc.

In general those who get their work published in the magazine are those who have studied, are studying or are working in the field of philosophy, as such they tend to not post or converse in internet forums as the conversation with the un-philosophically educated is at a level that they've left behind.

There is now a section where articles from PN are published and if you wish a better level of discussion then I think this is where you should be replying. Who knows, the writers may reply if your thoughts are of interest. If not, there is nothing stopping anyone from posting what they would consider a better class of philosophical post. If I look around there are quite a few large posts concerning personal metaphysics, ethics, religion, etc.

You appear concerned about this public-face of the PN magazine, are you a subscriber? If so, why not post what you think would be a better post. Set an example so to speak. Or you could just complain to Admin.
You aren't running a philosophy forum anymore, but managing an insane asylum. Which you already know, but are too polite to say.
Again this is your subjective judgement but you have an odd habit of knowing what others think.
I hope this is harsh enough! :lol:

But is it depressing like old age, disease and death etc? That's entirely up to us.

Do we embrace the reality, or reject it? Do we embrace our immaturity, our inarticulateness, the fantasy poses we have created for ourselves, our typoholic mania? Do you embrace the fact that this forum makes PhilosophyNow magazine look like a Saturday morning cartoon show?

Or do we smile, shrug, pass the popcorn, and get on with the business of our hilarious imperfection?
...
Are you saying I should ban you or others for immaturity? For fantastical poses? For being inarticulate? Should I delete or edit the parts of this post that I think are not philosophical?

If one reads and subscribes to the magazine then I doubt the forum has much impact. If those who do read and subscribe are upset by the forum content then I'd expect them to post what they think are more appropriate examples of philosophical thought. Do you think much of this post is such an example?

There are plenty of forums were a more rigorous approach is taken when deciding what content is or is not philosophical and what language can or cannot be used when talking with other members. So far I think this forum fairly accurately reflects the spectrum of human behaviour in the real world, there are nasty people out there, but if in future the Admin decide that this forum needs to change its moderating approach then I'll be happy to implement whatever they decide. Not sure some will like it though.

AMod.
Since we all have only subjective opinions, this place is (for me at least) the place to be looking for independent confirmation, either giving it or taking it, even more than inter-subjective agreement, since that can still be hugely compromised. Often, the schism is chosen of removing the learned from the unlearned or the retarded from the un-retarded, but that is just elitism, which is more disgusting than anything (for me at least). Of course you could say "about taste there can be no argument" and I would agree to that, but then the odor of elitism is still in the air.

I do believe in moderation very much, but then in a most unbiased way, just getting the discussion where it needs to be in a philosophically correct way, which is your take on what philosophy is and should be your business card. So far I like what I see happening here (better than any other philosophy forum where I have been, judging by how I was treated, and I am not referring to Bill's Master of Ceremonies role as I experience it), but what is in the magazine, or must be since I am not a subscriber, seems so popularized that I can hardly believe there to be some robust philosophy backing it up, with all due respect.
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Re: The End is Nigh

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Are you saying I should ban you or others for immaturity? For fantastical poses? For being inarticulate? Should I delete or edit the parts of this post that I think are not philosophical?
This forum belongs to Rick, so I'm fully agreeable he should do anything with it he wants to. I'm making a more general social theory proposal, applicable to any forum.

The proposal I offer for your review is, where there are no standards, no barriers to entry, the quality of content will decline steadily over time.

As example...
In general those who get their work published in the magazine are those who have studied, are studying or are working in the field of philosophy, as such they tend to not post or converse in internet forums as the conversation with the un-philosophically educated is at a level that they've left behind.
Of course they could talk to each other. They could perhaps talk to each other in a room that we could read, but not post to. This would greatly enhance the site.

But, these higher quality thinker/writers seem unlikely to participate in any format where they would be associated with us.

This illustrates the proposal that while having no standards serves low quality posters, it doesn't serve higher quality posters. The most likely outcome of this reward system would seem to be ever more lower quality posters, ever fewer readers, and the eventual crash landing of a forum in to the "Sorry, We're Closed" sign.

Maybe this is a problem, maybe not. That's a call for the forum owner. I'm just trying to chart the data I can observe in to the future, and am offering a prediction of where the trend will likely lead.
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Gary Childress wrote:Well, I'm 44 years old. My parents are in their late 70s. My parents and I have always been very close. I lost my grandmother almost 10 years back. Of course she was suffering from alzeimers for many years so it was a slow loss, not so abrupt as the death of a close relative could be. Now I'm suffering from sleep apnea and my memory isn't all that great anymore. When I think of my own end being not too far off I really start to think of what was it all about? Life seems so incredibly short from my perspective right now. If we are simply a "flash in the pan" so to speak what difference does any of this really make. Maybe I'm just in a meloncholy mood right now. But inevitable death puts everything in an all new perspective for me.

I'm facing a life decision of continuing my philosophy education. It will be a big undertaking going back to school (albeit online classes). I sort of wonder to myself why I should even put forth the effort? I'm just going to die someday anyway. What's worse is I'll probably forget everything I learn within a few months anyway. What difference does it make how educated or uneducated I am? What difference does it make if I try to improve my life? There isn't that much more to go anyway. It seems like a wasted effort, all in vain. Yeah, more education will make me more "marketable". Is that what it's all about? Just doing what it takes to stay alive and prosperous a little longer. How depressing it all seems right now. :(
you have "all new perspective" and lots of philosophical questions here. one question was missing. i didnt find this question: why i'm facing a life decision of continuing my philosophy education?
continue your philosophical thinking and you get more good questions, like this: is philosophy and philosophy education same thing? and like in religions, you can find something really interesting along the path..
then there is lots of other ways to find answers: alcohol, suicide, drugs, video games, porn, gambling, army, meditation,..
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Gary,
I've deleted the posts and your comment upon the behaviour because it has no reference now. And I thank you for taking an interest in the development of your own thread.

Chaz,
Its an open forum so others can comment upon your posts. Ignore them or say why the comment was erroneous.

Typist,
Telling people to 'grow the fuck up' is not a useful response. Leaving out the "fuck" might have elicited a less abrasive response but on the whole its still a condescending phrase to use. Commenting upon a persons posts when in the past you have said you have them on ignore is also provocative.
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Aha, standards! Interesting!
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AMod wrote:Gary,
I've deleted the posts and your comment upon the behaviour because it has no reference now. And I thank you for taking an interest in the development of your own thread.

Chaz,
Its an open forum so others can comment upon your posts. Ignore them or say why the comment was erroneous.

Typist,
Telling people to 'grow the fuck up' is not a useful response. Leaving out the "fuck" might have elicited a less abrasive response but on the whole its still a condescending phrase to use. Commenting upon a persons posts when in the past you have said you have them on ignore is also provocative.
Much obliged.
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Typist wrote:Aha, standards! Interesting!
Not mine in the main, although the comments were. The post originator took responsibility for their thread and commented upon the behaviour, so I acted as I saw fit.
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AMod wrote:
Typist wrote:Aha, standards! Interesting!
Not mine in the main, although the comments were. The post originator took responsibility for their thread and commented upon the behaviour, so I acted as I saw fit.
As you know, I find this quite interesting, but in the spirit of standards should probably not derail the thread with further discussion of them here.
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Re: The End is Nigh

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AMod wrote:Gary,
I've deleted the posts and your comment upon the behaviour because it has no reference now. And I thank you for taking an interest in the development of your own thread.
Thank you for cleaning things up a bit AMod. I'm not a radical advocate of forum moderation but I do think that there is such thing as good and helpful moderation and this is certainly an instance of it IMO. Thanks again!

I've said my peace and have moved on. Every now and again I find myself in a dreary mood and start to ponder death and extinction and all those depressing things. IMO there's nothing cheary about the end. Most of the time I just don't ponder it. Those are the times when I am happy and optimistic. But when I do dwell on the end it's never a happy affair. :(
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Gary, I know you said your peace and will now move on.


If you ever happen to read this I would like you to just take note.


I happen to know that the end is not nigh.

In fact, when it come to our lives there is no end. We never experience an end.


Our lives, the experience of our lives is repeated over and over again.


Don't want to give you anything new to worry about but if there was to be any worry, it would seem to me, that we need to be concerned about trying to live the best lives that we can, for we are bound, in a non-exiting circle of life forever.


We are more like Dracula than we could ever imagine.



Good luck with your life...and don't worry about an ending...






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Someone been reading Nietzsche? :shock:

How do you know this Bill?
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I experienced it.


I am certain of this, that we repeat our lives.



It is the core of me. The deepest philosophical insight that I have ever experienced.







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Re: The End is Nigh

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Okay,
Just to get our understanding together I think 'experience' is how you deal with what happens to you.

So what happened to you?

By-the-by, you and Nietzsche agree - see his Eternal Recurrence. You should read him.

Although maybe you have the same problem he does, if its not your first-time around then what you are doing now is pretty pointless as whatever you do now will not change anything.
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I know it seems paradoxical but there is no way I could relay the experience that happened to me.




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