What's stopping us from seeing the truth?

[Arising_uk]

To the British Princess...
Girl, I know you are 6'6" 290 lbs and can beat the shit out of me, but still you remain a moron. An emasculated little bitch. ...

You mistake me, I don't top 6'2" and vary between 180 and 190lbs. But you are right about one thing and thats that I've generally emasculated the part that beats the shit out of those that don't deserve it for fun.

Best you tell me about my divorce and how she left me.
I use what works, my British bitch, and authority figures have quite an impact amongst the herd. ...

With respect to what works, so do I. But we do share a divorce and I'm guessing mine was more pleasant and cheaper than yours. Authority figures do, but its what they wish to do with their authority that interests me. This reminds me of Bill's Eugene Debb quote,

“I don't want you to follow me or anyone else. I would not lead you into the promised land if I could, because if I could lead you in, somebody else would lead you out.”

Its how an authority figure could achieve this with the 'herd' that interests me.

I am a liar, remember?...and an actor.

I'm gonna fuck you 'till the cows, come home...no not your mom and sister...the "other" cows.

And there was me thinking we were getting somewhere.

Ask me what "I' means now.

Why would I? As I perfectly understand its meaning.

[Bill Wiltrack]

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.......................HOLY SHIT!




...................................EUGENE DEBS?



.....................................DID YOU SAY EUGENE DEBS?





.........................................YES YOU DID!




.......................................................I AM REELING!





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God that felt good!





........................................................Thank you Arising!






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[creativesoul]

Tell us, Douche-Bag, because some are reading, what is belief?

Let those who've been reading answer.

[creativesoul]

creative:

What does learning anything first require?

Arising responds:

I'd go for "the wish or desire or reason to" and then "copying or imitating".

After a worldview starts developing and one knows what learning is, I'd agree with "the wish or desire... to", however, prior to that perhaps it is better represented by reason of our knowing that learning is a fundamental need. Copying and/or imitating is a well-known and documented manner of being engaged in the experience of learning how.

[creativesoul]

Its how an authority figure could achieve this with the 'herd' that interests me.

We'll possibly get there. The groundwork is being laid. What say you and I engage in a real conversation?

[Arising_uk]

We'll possibly get there. The groundwork is being laid. What say you and I engage in a real conversation?

Depends what you mean?

What is this "groundwork" you talk about?

[Mark Question]

but in conservative christians world theres always heaven and hell to go?

what nuances a particular projection acquires is based on the sophistication of the mind involved. Simple minds create simplistic understanding, with childish ideas like heaven/hell.

and is the sophistication of the mind leading you to hell or heaven, in conservative christians model? do they call gods ideas childish, without gods punishment, in their "world"?

There is no "my world".

but is there your "world"? do you have any own thoughts about world or anything?

My perspective is of the world. All that remains to be seen is if it is a superior understanding/interpretation of it.

what about a model where god has a superior perspective and knowledge, and tells us little earthlings with little brains what to do and believe? is that model superior or what?

is there a pattern of dogmatic models?

There are patterns wherever a mind can finds them.
Understanding is about finding patterns.

is there a dogmatic understanding and dogmatic limits of finding in dogmatic models?

[creativesoul]

I meant, is it time to do philosophy yet? "Groundwork" is paving the way to mutual understanding.

[Arising_uk]

Oh! Sorry, I thought you were referring in general to the 'herd' not this mob here.

Although I'm fairly unclear about what "doing philosophy" means?

[creativesoul]

Adhering to the rules of correct inference/classical logic.

[creativesoul]

This being a philosophy forum and all, I would think that doing philosophy would be the rule rather than the exception, especially given that the namesake is linked to a modern philosophical magazine.

[creativesoul]

from Satyr's article:

5.7.2.3.1.2.2 In my own essay concerningThe Feminization of Mankind the always altering environmental conditions and howthey alter what constitutes an Idea(l),“balanced” state, isexplored - along with how human interventions influence theseenvironmental conditions, resulting in a looping self-referentialcontinuity.
5.7.2.3.2 The logical path from one to two is represented in thenatural progression from singular division to a binary replication,where both parties compromise a part of themselves by reproducingonly 50% of their essence in combination with an other’s.
5.7.2.3.2.1 This methodology proves superior, as the cumulative product of two diverging congruent Flowspartially rejoin into acommon one, thusly gaining the advantage of synergy.
5.7.2.3.2.2 The advantage of compromise and combination is bestunderstood in relation to environmental conditions which are,themselves, constantly evolving.
5.7.2.3.2.2.1 As such the attempt to catch-up with the fluidity of reality is exemplified in the act of sexual reproduction, andthrough it man feels his nature vindicated.
5.7.2.3.2.3 A cumulative synergy attempting to gain an advantage,in relation to continuing entropy, by combining with an other intoan attempted state of unity.
5.7.2.3.2.3.1 The effect is felt(interpreted)as a relief as thecombined energy, the partial synergy, constitutes a return to anearlier near-unity – the participants are subsumed in theexperience.
5.7.2.3.2.3.2 The partial and temporary union of a male with afemale, accentuated and facilitated by emotional inebriation,constitutes a return back to an earlier state, closer to the near-absolute, a towards and/or return to theOmega Point,and isexperienced as a momentary completion, an absolution, akin to aspiritual experience.
5.7.2.3.2.3.3 This is why intercourse is felt as more than a partial release, and also as a more lasting unification with anearlier state…a completion through the other.
5.7.2.3.2.3.4 As such one sex finds in the other a return to a primordial state of near-unification and so through this other a promise of completion which is never finalized.
5.7.2.3.3 Each sexual type develops the traits that best facilitate itsreproductive role.
5.7.2.3.3.1 All subsequent mutations are either weeded out of thespecies, as unfit, or they serve supportive roles and so persist asuseful elements.
5.7.2.3.4 Because the primary (re)action to the alien is to exclude – self-preservation - the female sexual type’s natural inclinations must be sublimated using subsequent evolutionary methods – such aschemical inebriation(emotions)producing passions, emotions thatcircumvent pre-existing survival tendencies.
5.7.2.3.4.1 A period of “feeling-out” the other, of assessing him/her, precedes all copulation: “Flirting is a negotiation process that takes place after there has been initial attraction” according to GangstadSteven.
5.7.2.3.4.2 Here the promise of a hypothetical Idea(l)takes precedence over any individual considerations, because theindividual is always a failed attempt at it.
5.7.2.3.4.2.1 This is why a female’s attraction and orgasm isalways dependent on the male’s ability to represent, for her, the Idea(l)which she wishes to preserve by uniting it with herself – this Idea(l)being a product of her self-awareness and her self-esteem.
5.7.2.3.4.3 In accordance to the preceding we can conclude thatseduction is really a process where both, but particularly thefemale that bears most of the burden, is convinced, according totheir own judgments, that the other is worth the risks and thesubsequent efforts produced by copulation.

[creativesoul]

Let's look at that.

Shall we?

It is presented as though it is in logical succession. Does any of it follow from what has been laid before it?

[Arising_uk]

I think many of the few members here would meet that criteria.

Since its an open forum to the world I'm not sure that we should expect all to meet this criteria automatically.

Is this all philosophy is? Would Nietzsche meet it? He's been acclaimed as one of the greats of philosophy.

[Arising_uk]

What do you mean by 'logical succession' first?

That each piece should be related or deducible or inferable from the former?