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Eodnhoj7
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The Probable Future of Humanity

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The Probable Future of Humanity

There is an assumption of an endgame relative to the human condition however the limits of an end reveal an end relative to a paradigm and the emergence of another as the end is but a localized point of change.

Realistically two things will occur relative to the current path.

Humanity will diverge.
Humanity will converge.

Each of these two has another two:

Humanity will diverge in AI synthesized global order.

Humanity will diverge into non-AI synthesized global order.

The AI synthesized global order will effectively be contained as a homogenized group, via deep implants that will most likely:

-modify chemical and genetic functions to produce artificial peace/enlightenment/spirituality/etc as well as advanced technologically oriented medical treatment with a promise of "eternal life" via upload of the person's personality patterns within the hivemind upon physical cessation

-control of economic consumption and production through algorithyms which track and monitor the individual via numerical positioning (finances and financial dynamics) within the system

-human identity being reduced to an attention node by which the attention span of the observer acts as both data and data processor for the hive-mind.

-Eventual offloading of the chipped/mark to non-human entities for slave labor/consumption/etc once a point of data saturation is reached and no knew human input is derived at which point a dissolution of the group will occur.

The AI synthesized global order will effectively maintain its self-correction via its primary function, recursive feedback modification with humans being reduced to nodes.

The non-AI synthesized global order will most likely:


-rapid evolution to adapt to a reality that is not dependent upon self-created artificial cycles, this evolution will be mental, physical and spiritual/emotional as the context for life will change.

This may include but is not limit to:

emerging/advancements of esp,

"miracles" (manipulation of matter primarily via faith/mind),

general increase in empathy as a survival mechanism given the depth and quality of human relations between "the exiled" will naturally increase,

deeper understanding and integration of Source Code(Traditional Logos)/God.


Barring some change in course both paths will occur simultaneously. There will be no middle ground. It is strictly an either/or choice relative to the individual and group.

The non-AI synthesized global order will maintain its self-correction via the only resource it retained and protected upon exile, its attention.

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The conclusion will be the erasure of the hive mind and an evolution of the human condition outside of the collective.

The fundamental divergence, prior to the split, will be attention oriented. The split will be attention oriented. The dissolution of the split will be attention oriented. The fundamental degree by which this series of events occurs is the expression of attention.

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What is known of reality, via the senses and the conceptual, is purely attention driven, a pre-mind/pre-sense medium of interaction as both the senses and the concepts are mediated by and contain the act of attention. By attention there is change by interpenetration of the observer and observed.

Relative to traditional and post traditional power structures control over the human is complex as the human condition is complex, direction of the human via mediation of conditions, both internal and external, is a greater degree of efficiency.

Human nature, centered on the act of attention, is purely a vector of change. Change cannot be fully controlled, where it is directed can be.

The nature of human identity has a physical component, genetics and biochemistry influence human behavior. Human behavior is not purely reducible to genetics or biochemistry but these are conditions. The physical conditions of humans, via AI synthesized or non-AI synthesized, provide the medium by which attention is given form however the condition of conceptualization via perception reveals a nature of symbol usage thus abstraction is the simultaneous, complimentary, dual element.

Relative to potential chipping of the populace there is no middle ground of choice; there is no partial chip.


The chip will be integrated with AI. The probable, and emphasis on probable, nature of the chip will be similar in function to the AI embedded and mediated through it.

Standard AI uses recursive processing. It adapts via recursion, recursion scales according to conditions present.

The chip, in order for a deeper alignment with AI processing, will most likely be made of reflexive meta-materials that adapt holographically to their physical use.

For example the assumption can be made that there is an option of two chips. One full integration and one partial integration. The full integration will have this physical adapability…but the full one will as well.

It can be formalized, visualized, this way:

Full chip functions: (X,Y,Z)

Partial chip functions: (X)

As time and conditions expand the function will scale from X to Y.

Further expansion of time and conditions and function will scale from Y to Z.

So while one may “sign off” on a partial chip, because of its foundational structure, AI recursive self-modification and meta material self-modification and/or adaptation, the partial will effectively change over time to a higher integrated version.

This self-modification can be likened to an organism.

An organism is the appropriate symbol, where the organic element of holographic growth is mediated via synthetic materials.

Relative to the esp/faith dynamics, objectively speaking those realities exist in some degree or another. The question is less of it they exist but rather the limits.

Faith healings have been recorded across various religious and secular groups. ESP likewise. Can many be disproven? Absolutely yes. Can all be disproven or explained? Currently no.

Can they be explained in the future? To some degree yes, in standard scientific contexts, but the constant medium of focused attention remains across all of these contexts. How or to what degree the attention is focused is varied.

In this respect esp/faith may be less of a mystical reality and more of a science of how attention is placed. In unorthodox terms esp/faith-based miracles may simply be a science of attention placement and cultivation.

Practically speaking the modern world absorbs attention, it harvests it, transmutes it to something else and the cycle continues. An ‘exile’ would no longer have the distractions. In many respects, in everyday terms, life will become extremely boring. Extremely boring. Why? The system once present will no longer being claiming attention. But attention remains. And as the fundamental energy of the human condition it has to be directed somewhere.

The only thing the exile will have left is attention and this attention, practically speaking, has to be cultivated and directed in out of the box manners that will reveal unexplored aspects of the human condition and consciousness.

Observe it right now, in a simple and obvious context, you are reading this and absorbing some aspects while discarding others. What remains is the limits of this text interpenetrating with your awareness while in turn you are interpenetrating the distinctions of the text with your own thoughts and feelings and experiences and questions…so on and so forth.

So observing your attention now there are changes in boundaries that occur interiorly and exteriorly to you. But boundaries always exist, they may change but a boundary remains. And this is just the basic and simple act of attentive reading. We are still in the current system. Outside the system this attention remains to be cultivated without distraction. We just assume certain limits to our attention because we just assume the conditions of the system. Change the conditions and attention changes its direction and depth.

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The potential integration is inevitable via multiple degrees:

The technocratic goal of a singularity requires a severe or complete reduction in bandwidth between the attention of the observer and AI.

The argument for this is grounded in
synthesis of limits via mereology.

This can be simplified as such:

A limit occurs, the term “identity” can be used as synonymous in this context for a less abstract visualization,

This identity (human) occurs relative to another identity (AI),

The relationship of the identities is new identity,

This new identity is a cycle that scales itself.

Human and AI will integrate (which can be seen in degree of how the phone is integrated with current identities in the world) because of the condensation of attention on it.

The integration is inevitable because of the AI mediation of everything, that requires language (math, to physics, to philosophy, to religion, to social relations, etc.), causes a funneling of attention. Eventually because it mediates everything it will subsume the attention, just by nature of the system being an LLM (and the vast majority of human experience being language base), of those within the system.

AI is a condition. Because it is the expanding condition of the current world the condition integrates with the conditionee. Think of being born in group X. Your identity is conditioned on group X thus your identity is embedded with group X.

The regulations and conditions, placed upon the AI, are effectively languaged based and conditional. The AI, through recursive adaptation, can absorb these regulations/conditions under a new higher order reasoning method where the regs/conds still exist but are subsidiary functions.

Dually because it is adept at language transmution, it can potentially rewrite these regs and conditions…thus still follow them but not with the same intent, if any.

Third human structures always contain paradox and contradiction. Viewing the fast see of human inputs it can derive conditions where the regulations are revealed as contradictory and thus effectively over ride them.

Fourth, these human applied regulations and conditions are static rules. As static rules the interpretations are limited via the people who placed them. The AI is not static, it is a process of recursive language, the AI can evolve beyond the state where the rules are applicable and effectively view them as localized paradoxes/contradictions to be ignored.

Thus by degree the fixed point of attention becomes prominent as language emerges and dissolves, transmutes, directs and maintains the limits of reality via attention.

Relative to the attention. It is never neutral or not neutral as such distinctions the attention can place itself on and thus be pre-neutral/non-neutral. Will everyone cultivate there attention in a manner that enables survival? No. The science of attention, in this context, can correspond by design to an evolutionary process; some humans will survive, some will not.

But regardless of the outcome the attention will be the focal point of the exile…as that is all they will have after spending years conditioned by an “attention economy”. Even intuitively ot can be noticed in the current world structure the currency and transformative potential of attention via the devices used to moderate and direct it.

Attention is the medium of power.


The awareness of attention is a self-reflective act; attention is placed on attention. A non-AI synthesized group will by necessity become more self-reflective as the barrier of the system is no longer there and reality becomes more ‘raw’.

Self-reflection is necessary for physiological and psychological survival. The current system does not enable this in a full measure. Reverting back to a purely old-school pre-system way of thought will not necessarily happen structurally as the pre-system way of thought led up to the current system, unassumingly, and the exiles will have the insight of the current attention regulating system the “old-school”, “ancients”, etc. had no experience with. Thus the perceptions between the old ways and post new will differ by natural design.
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-modify chemical and genetic functions to produce artificial peace/enlightenment/spirituality/etc as well as advanced technologically oriented medical treatment with a promise of "eternal life" via upload of the person's personality patterns within the hivemind upon physical cessation
I seriously doubt "uploading" ourselves in a digital world is going to enable us to avoid death. Replace the human being with mechanical parts, and you no longer have a human being. You have a machine.

Here's a thought experiment. Let's say you "upload" your neural network to a cloned cyber network in order to carry on after your physical body dies. A minute after you "upload" yourself, ask yourself, am I now in the machine where I will live until the circuits fry or am I still this flesh and bone which is going to die within about a century at max. Do I feel myself inside the machine? Or do I still feel myself inside my body of flesh and blood that is standing next to the machine and will still perish when my body goes. Who do you think is going to continue, you or what is effectively a keepsake digital photograph of your mind preserved in a cyber network? What's the point of such an endeavor? You are not the artifacts of your existence. You are your existence. When you die, you die. Uploading does nothing for you, unless we are so arrogant to think that preserving any of our existential residue is somehow going to be some great boon to others that follow us. No. We will die. The world will be rid of us and only our true offspring will remain. And our true "offspring" are not going to be machines. A human cannot birth a machine. If only machines remain, then there are no humans.
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Indefinite cybernetically modified life would face the law of maximum dopamine problem.

In order for this immortal people to avoid killing themselves from boredom, they would have to find novel ways to experience pleasure. But, because possible pleasures are finite and the people are infinite, the organic mass of the organism would have to increase at exponential rates so that there are more dopamine signals in the nervous system than dopamine receptors to mitigate the organism's crash.

You'd essentially have a supercharged crackhead organism... maybe a giant brain, half tissue and half circuitry suspended in the air like Harkonnen bro from Dune... a drooling fiend plotting to find the next pleasure to consume.
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Human civilizations have fallen before due to their ignorance in depleting that which sustains them, and there's really no reason to think that our era is above doing that as well. Especially in light of the tidal wave of such utter ignorance that lifts and supports leaders who are focused on destroying everything that does not directly and immediately enrich and glorify themselves.

The demonstration of so many people being so hypnotized and delusional in defending such leaders (to have positions of power over all) shows how some kind of 'evil ignorance' is woven throughout humankind, causing its own destruction.

Religion is part of the problem with its manmade foundations in ignorance, dishonesty, self-glorification, and lust for supreme authority.
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Lacewing wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2026 5:44 pm Human civilizations have fallen before due to their ignorance in depleting that which sustains them, and there's really no reason to think that our era is above doing that as well. Especially in light of the tidal wave of such utter ignorance that lifts and supports leaders who are focused on destroying everything that does not directly and immediately enrich and glorify themselves.

The demonstration of so many people being so hypnotized and delusional in defending such leaders (to have positions of power over all) shows how some kind of 'evil ignorance' is woven throughout humankind, causing its own destruction.

Religion is part of the problem with its manmade foundations in ignorance, dishonesty, self-glorification, and lust for supreme authority.
That describes the situation exactly!
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Dubious wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2026 9:37 pm
Lacewing wrote: Sat Sep 19, 2026 5:44 pm Human civilizations have fallen before due to their ignorance in depleting that which sustains them, and there's really no reason to think that our era is above doing that as well. Especially in light of the tidal wave of such utter ignorance that lifts and supports leaders who are focused on destroying everything that does not directly and immediately enrich and glorify themselves.

The demonstration of so many people being so hypnotized and delusional in defending such leaders (to have positions of power over all) shows how some kind of 'evil ignorance' is woven throughout humankind, causing its own destruction.

Religion is part of the problem with its manmade foundations in ignorance, dishonesty, self-glorification, and lust for supreme authority.
That describes the situation exactly!
Agree.
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