Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2026 7:06 pm
Janoah wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2026 4:01 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Jun 24, 2026 12:16 am
What's not accepted, in the Jewish community at large, is a dismissive attitude to
Torah.
Certainly.
At the same time, a LITERAL understanding of the Torah, where it cannot be understood literally, is not acceptable in relation to the Torah.
Of course. But what makes you believe that "it cannot be understood literally" in this case? That's what I've been waiting to hear.
A talking snake, can a serious person seriously believe this.
I have already cited generally accepted scientific data on human evolution above, citing Wikipedia, but you can refer to other encyclopedias.
Let's not repeat ourselves.
***Even the most ardent Evolutionists no longer believe in the "ape" theory.***
Why these "fictions"?
I have already cited generally accepted scientific data on human evolution above, citing Wikipedia, but you can refer to other encyclopedias.
"Homo sapiens is a distinct species of the hominid family of primates, which includes all the great apes. Over their evolutionary history, humans gradually developed traits such as bipedalism, dexterity, and complex language."
Let's not repeat the same thing.
*** What is your evidence that they're right?***
Besides scientific evidence, it is enough to look in the mirror to understand that people are the closest relatives of monkeys.
(although, those who mindlessly repeat are more like parrots)
This was clear long before Darwin.
Here is the view of the authoritative Jewish theologian and philosopher, Joseph Albo, who wrote this 400 years before Darwin,
"If we consider the various forms as they exist in their matters in the genesis of the lower forms of existing things, we find that they form an ascending series in regard to quality. The later form is superior to the prior one, as though the matter in receiving forms proceeds from imperfection to perfection, first receiving a lower form and then a higher form, and thus gradually ascending from an inferior grade of existence to a more perfect one. Thus matter first receives the forms of the elements, then it rises to the stage of minerals, to which the elements stand in the relation of matter. Then it attains to the grade of plants to which minerals bear the relation of matter. Then it ascends to the degree of animals, to which plants are related as matter, and then it rises to the grade of man, animals being in the position of matter. Here the process comes to an end. As in a given motion, every part of the motion is for the sake of the part which comes after, so it seems, in the genetic process of the lower forms of existence, that every part is for the sake of the part that comes after. And as a given motion ends up with a result which is the final cause of all the partial motions, so the genetic process rises gradually until it attains finally to the human form, where it stops, because this is the end of all the lower genetic processes.
That matter always moves from a less perfect to a more perfect form of existence, as the character of the composition rises in quality, is proved by the coral, which is intermediate, so to speak, between mineral and plant; by the marine sponge, which has only the sense of touch, and is intermediate as it were between plant and animal; and by the APE, which stands midway between the animal species and man, where the process stops."
JOSEPH ALBO "SEFER HA-IKKARIM: BOOK OF PRINCIPLES" (3,1)
https://www.sefaria.org.il/Sefer_HaIkka ... .3?lang=en
Quite a picture of evolution "and by the Ape, which stands midway between the animal species and man."
