IC please clarify for us

[Impenitent]

Gary, you're a glutton.

What does The Holy Bible Say about gluttony?

I don't know. What does the "Holy Bible" say about killing others, especially doing it unprovoked?

ask a crusader

-Imp

[Walker]

The application of what the bible says is that you self-indulge with questions to assert the known, rather than answer questions about what is obviously unknown to you.

Self-indulge means you ask like a pig, which is a lot when being fed.

[phyllo]

Manifestation of rationality is situationally dependent, as are the causes of war.

Rationality says Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon.

Iran says it can.

However, in a rational world, Iran cannot have the bomb.

In a rational world, nobody would have the bomb.

In a rational world, there would be no violence.

In a rational world,

[Walker]

Manifestation of rationality is situationally dependent, as are the causes of war.

Rationality says Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon.

Iran says it can.

However, in a rational world, Iran cannot have the bomb.

In a rational world, nobody would have the bomb.

In a rational world, there would be no violence.

In a rational world,

Those are preconceptions, don't you know.
Quite poetic, though.
A rational world can only be, right now.

Do you think hearing about the violence that you don't experience, as the violence is said to happen, is violence you are experiencing?

That's like Scott Pelley claiming to be a combat veteran, as he did through tears shortly after being canned, axed, eliminated, 86'ed (as the judge who found no cause in the Comey case would declare).

[Immanuel Can]

All spiritual roads lead to rationality.

Really? I find that difficult to support.

Does, for example, mysticism? Some forms of it declare "rationality" impractical. Postmodernism? It says that rationality is "white," and "Western," and "hegemonic," and "oppressive." Or how about those religions that actively encourage violence and destruction? I don't know how "rational" we can say a Wahabist or a Thugee might be.

I think the most we can say is that after the initial commitment of belief, there are particular conclusions that look rational, or are rationalized from that first step, maybe. I wouldn't say "all spiritual roads" lead there.

[Impenitent]

the world would be full of squares if it were rational

-Imp

[Walker]

I was not clear and thank you for pointing that out. I'm not saying all spiritual roads are rational. I'm saying they lead to rationality. They must, or they would have no appeal to rational people. I think when close to death people get quite rational, no longer in denial. Better that happen sooner than later to enjoy life.

Bhakti eventually leads to Jnana, or in Christianity devotion leads to understanding.
It's more a matter of lightening the load by tossing out the false.

In Christianity it's the falling away of sin to reveal the simplicity of good, that was always there.

[Immanuel Can]

I was not clear and thank you for pointing that out. I'm not saying all spiritual roads are rational. I'm saying they lead to rationality.

I know. I still don't think it's easy to support.

They must, or they would have no appeal to rational people.

What makes you think every person loves rationality?

[Walker]

What makes you think every person loves rationality?

I don't think that.

It like the US Constitution.
The system works as intended for those who deserve it.
Those who use it to destroy it use irrationality as easily as Democrats picking a Nazi for the Maine senate race.

When Orange Man Bad is the basis of reasoning, irrationality lights up like a Democrat raising taxes.

His (Platner) campaign pledge is that he's made a lot of mistakes.
That's right up there with proudly claiming to not know anything, which is the refuge of philosophers and the rationality for endless questions, like an innocent man-child.

[Immanuel Can]

What makes you think every person loves rationality?

I don't think that.

Well, then, all religions don't lead there.

[Gary Childress]

What makes you think every person loves rationality?

I don't think that.

Well, then, all religions don't lead there.

Does Buddhism lead there?

[Walker]

What makes you think every person loves rationality?

I don't think that.

Well, then, all religions don't lead there.

I see your point. However, eventually a false path leads one away from the false realizations of ignorance brought about by the path, just as the falseness of the Nazi agenda eventually brought the German citizens to the truth of rationality ... , and the realization that falling ash actually was not snow. Although, the Nazi Party was not a spiritual path per se, it perverted the spiritual need in people to worship. It was evil sneaking into the way of good, like Democrats trying to sneak a Nazi into the US Senate, just for the sake of power.

[Walker]

I don't think that.

Well, then, all religions don't lead there.

Does Buddhism lead there?

Buddhists are taxonomy meisters.

Take a peak into the work of Geshe Kelsang Gyatso.

And if you don't, maybe someone will and learn a thing or two.

*

On second thought, you probably shouldn't.
Because you don't have a clue what I'm talking about, he would scramble your brain.

[Immanuel Can]

I don't think that.

Well, then, all religions don't lead there.

...the Nazi agenda eventually brought the German citizens to the truth of rationality ... ,

I think you've misunderstood the problem.

Germany prided itself on being the hub of civilization, of philosophy, of theology, of science, of technology, of erudition, and of rational thought...right before they turned all that to killing people.

Rationality is no insurance against a dead soul.

[Immanuel Can]

I don't think that.

Well, then, all religions don't lead there.

Does Buddhism lead there?

Definitely not. It denies that the world has any real existence, in fact. All of what appears to us to be "rational" is maya, deception. The Buddhist road is "enlightenment" through the rejection of reality and of rationality.