Universal health care in a universe created by God

[Walker]

Apparently, all those illegals do is suck up our public resources and give nothing in return. It's their fault.

Logic is not your strong point.

[Gary Childress]

Our reality challenged one (who thinks investing billions into getting rid of illegals is going to solve all our problems) thinks logic dictates that it's their fault. I wonder if he's ever spent so much as an hour studying logic.

[Walker]

Our reality challenged one (who thinks getting rid of illegals is going to solve all our problems) thinks logic dictates that it's their fault. I wonder if he's ever spent so much as an hour studying logic.

You deficiency is demonstrable, Gary.

Those who do not pay deductibles, when insurance is required, are not limited to border jumpers who came into the country illegally to take advantage of benefits.

Plenty of middle class folks are heavily strapped because of Obamacare making insurance companies rich.

You are once again projecting your own ignorance onto others, through your assertion of beliefs.

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Getting rid of illegals is simply following the law. The effects of that are numerous.

Some think deportation is the way. Some think ignoring the law is the way. Some think changing the law is the way.

What do you think?

Should the law be changed by those who created the problem by ignoring the law?

[Gary Childress]

Our reality challenged one (who thinks getting rid of illegals is going to solve all our problems) thinks logic dictates that it's their fault. I wonder if he's ever spent so much as an hour studying logic.

You deficiently is demonstrable, Gary.

Those who do not pay deductibles, when insurance is required, are not limited to border jumpers who came into the country illegally to take advantage of benefits.

Plenty of middle class folks are heavily strapped because of Obamacare making insurance companies rich.

You are once again projecting your own ignorance onto others, through your assertion of beliefs.

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Getting rid of illegals is simply following the law. The effects of that are numerous.

Obamacare wasn't Medicare for all. Now get lost, click bait.

[Walker]

Once again your deficiency in reasoning and logic has been exposed, and you react like a child.

Poor Gary.

[Gary Childress]

Once again your deficiency in reasoning and logic has been exposed, and you react like a child.

Poor Gary.

I'm tired of wasting time with your strawmen, red herrings, and non-sequiturs. If you were in my shoes and had intelligence, you'd get tired of it too.

[Immanuel Can]

I'm just curious how our resident God-worshiper proposes to get health care to people who don't currently have it.

Well, instead of asking the wrong question, why didn't you ask me directly?

Answer: because I already answered it, in our other conversation.

But I'll go over it briefly, here.

Health care is an unsolvable problem. If you opt for private, there is one set of bad outcomes. If you opt for universal, there's a different set of bad outcomes. There is, contrary to Progressive naivete, no way to provide health care to everybody for free and without bad consequences. That simply does not happen.

That's the sort of realism that ideologues simply don't have, but about which reality simply does not care and will not cut them a break. However, it's they who seem to think that government can solve the dilemma. Nobody sensible would ever think that, and history certainly does not support it.

So I now ask, how? How, dear advocate of universal health care, is it going to be supplied universally, fairly, sustainably and without crashing your economy? Or are you just whining, and leaving all the hard particulars to a nameless, non-existent kind of government you think knows what you don't?

Let's see your plan. Spin out those details.

My plan was medicare for all.

Magically? With absolutely no plan for implementation? The money to do it will just appear, and appear indefinitely? And nobody will suffer? This is your "plan"?

...how do you propose to get healthcare to everyone? What is your alternative plan?

You're the one baying for universal health care: it's your problem to solve. I can't solve it. It looks to me like an unresolvable paradox. You're going to hurt a lot of people, whatever you do. Health care is expensive, hard, high-tech, difficult to deliver, incapable of being made self-sustaining, impossible to distribute with 'equity,' and very prone to crash any economy. So "let's give everything free to everybody" is no kind of answer. It isn't even possible.

"Caring." What a word for "not having the faintest clue what to do"!

[Walker]

Old fashion Health Care
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7Xhq1C ... rt_radio=1

The old fashioned ways
back in the olden days
when rural GPs were sometimes paid
in fowl if not full
was to get a job for oneself
to carry the weight of kin
and maybe a few kith.

[Gary Childress]

Well, instead of asking the wrong question, why didn't you ask me directly?

Answer: because I already answered it, in our other conversation.

But I'll go over it briefly, here.

Health care is an unsolvable problem. If you opt for private, there is one set of bad outcomes. If you opt for universal, there's a different set of bad outcomes. There is, contrary to Progressive naivete, no way to provide health care to everybody for free and without bad consequences. That simply does not happen.

That's the sort of realism that ideologues simply don't have, but about which reality simply does not care and will not cut them a break. However, it's they who seem to think that government can solve the dilemma. Nobody sensible would ever think that, and history certainly does not support it.

So I now ask, how? How, dear advocate of universal health care, is it going to be supplied universally, fairly, sustainably and without crashing your economy? Or are you just whining, and leaving all the hard particulars to a nameless, non-existent kind of government you think knows what you don't?

Let's see your plan. Spin out those details.

My plan was medicare for all.

Magically? With absolutely no plan for implementation? The money to do it will just appear, and appear indefinitely? And nobody will suffer? This is your "plan"?

...how do you propose to get healthcare to everyone? What is your alternative plan?

You're the one baying for universal health care: it's your problem to solve. I can't solve it. It looks to me like an unresolvable paradox. You're going to hurt a lot of people, whatever you do. Health care is expensive, hard, high-tech, difficult to deliver, incapable of being made self-sustaining, impossible to distribute with 'equity,' and very prone to crash any economy. So "let's give everything free to everybody" is no kind of answer. It isn't even possible.

"Caring." What a word for "not having the faintest clue what to do"!

Being worried about "stealing" money from society's wealthier by installing progressive taxes to pay for social programs must keep you awake at night. Let's be "fair" and let the wealthy skim their profits from workers' paychecks. The wealthy deserve to be billionaires because of all the "hard" work they do. Workers just freeload off the efforts of the wealthy.

I wish I could "care" as much as you do. Clearly, I'm evil. Your allegedly "benevolent" God obviously hates "socialists" like me. Maybe if you pray harder, social problems will disappear.

[Walker]

Now Gary, don't be mean.

[Gary Childress]

Now Gary, don't be mean.

Try following your own advice once in a while.

[Walker]

Apparently, all those illegals do is suck up our public resources and give nothing in return. It's their fault.

Apparently, the old-fashioned ways of frugality are now quite expensive.

It clearly is the fault of the Democrats that Hate America.

[Immanuel Can]

My plan was medicare for all.

Magically? With absolutely no plan for implementation? The money to do it will just appear, and appear indefinitely? And nobody will suffer? This is your "plan"?

...how do you propose to get healthcare to everyone? What is your alternative plan?

You're the one baying for universal health care: it's your problem to solve. I can't solve it. It looks to me like an unresolvable paradox. You're going to hurt a lot of people, whatever you do. Health care is expensive, hard, high-tech, difficult to deliver, incapable of being made self-sustaining, impossible to distribute with 'equity,' and very prone to crash any economy. So "let's give everything free to everybody" is no kind of answer. It isn't even possible.

"Caring." What a word for "not having the faintest clue what to do"!

Being worried about "stealing" money from society's wealthier by installing progressive taxes to pay for social programs must keep you awake at night.

Oh? So your plan is to "steal" the money to pay for it? It will magically come from "society's wealthier"? And in infinite, unchanging supply, too?

Do the details. Whom will you "steal" from, by what means, how will you prevent them from refusing, and how will you secure a perpetual supply of it? Let's see if what you have in mind will work.

[Gary Childress]

Magically? With absolutely no plan for implementation? The money to do it will just appear, and appear indefinitely? And nobody will suffer? This is your "plan"?


You're the one baying for universal health care: it's your problem to solve. I can't solve it. It looks to me like an unresolvable paradox. You're going to hurt a lot of people, whatever you do. Health care is expensive, hard, high-tech, difficult to deliver, incapable of being made self-sustaining, impossible to distribute with 'equity,' and very prone to crash any economy. So "let's give everything free to everybody" is no kind of answer. It isn't even possible.

"Caring." What a word for "not having the faintest clue what to do"!

Being worried about "stealing" money from society's wealthier by installing progressive taxes to pay for social programs must keep you awake at night.

Oh? So your plan is to "steal" the money to pay for it? It will magically come from "society's wealthier"? And in infinite, unchanging supply, too?

Do the details. Whom will you "steal" from, by what means, how will you prevent them from refusing, and how will you secure a perpetual supply of it? Let's see if what you have in mind will work.

Unlike you, I don't view taxing the wealthier as "stealing" from them. I don't think taxing them progressively according to the amount of wealth is "stealing" at all. What makes you think it's "stealing"?

[Gary Childress]

Apparently, all those illegals do is suck up our public resources and give nothing in return. It's their fault.

Apparently, the old-fashioned ways of frugality are now quite expensive.

It clearly is the fault of the Democrats that Hate America.

So, which is destroying America more, illegal immigrants or Democrats? Who should we expel from the country first, maybe immigrants and then after that work on getting rid of Democrats?