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You are also using presumptions about what this God wants to do, intends,
This isn't true, but it has nothing to do with the question anyway. So I could grant it to you for argument's sake, and stilll, you've said nothing to the point.
The question is about what secularism can warrant by its own lights, regardless of what somebody else can or cannot do.
No, the question at THIS POINT is not about "secularism". It is about a BELIEVER in deity, just not a deity inclined towards being as "hands on" as you picture deity being. I will admit to an ulterior motive. I think you will end up having the same objection about "then no basis for morality" (as you do with the secularist). But that will mean your objection is not really about what you think the secularist cannot do, but what you think nobody can do whether a secularist OR a believer in deity unless they believe in the same sort of "hands on" deity as you do. Unless they believe in YOUR GOD (a god with the properties you believe God to have).
Plenty of believers would consider it presumptuous to decide what properties God does or does not have, what God wants or does not want. Or they might have beliefs about those things, just not the same as you do.
You are also using presumptions about what this God wants to do, intends,
This isn't true, but it has nothing to do with the question anyway. So I could grant it to you for argument's sake, and stilll, you've said nothing to the point.
The question is about what secularism can warrant by its own lights, regardless of what somebody else can or cannot do.
No, the question at THIS POINT is not about "secularism".
Yeah, it is...and only about that.
You want to switch away for this reason: that you have no answer. But that makes you the same as every other person who tries to do it. It cannot be done.
MikeNovack wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2026 1:03 amBUT FOR THE MOMENT. IC, explain.
a) If your moral system is valid because it is dictated by a god. what standing do you assign the moral systems dictated by other gods (to the believers of those gods? Do you understand this question? I am not a Christian but a person familiar with many religions and their moral teachings.
Asked and answered. See my last post on the other site.
