Trump as Jesus

[Walker]

Remember the prophecy of the Left’s Messiah

“A light will shine through that window, a beam of light will come down upon you, you will experience an epiphany."

Troll? Mockery? Cynicism? Sophistication?

No time to think?

[FlashDangerpants]

And just because he's your obsession, doesn't make him the topic.

Nothing about the topic itself is remotely interesting. "Donald Trump Expresses Grandiose Delusion" is the ultimate Dog Bites Man story.

The only vaguely interesting thing is that it was so extremely sacreligious, yet all the religious conservatives here were clearly desperate not to comment on that. You guys hold your religions purely in service to your far-right politics.

[Walker]

Ah, you're just on the losing team like ... everywhere it appears.

[Immanuel Can]

Trump is a troll, but he does it casually and with real humour.

Vicious trolling is just low rent.

Trolling's not my thing. Even to twit the twits is a "low rent" kind of hobby.

I’ve noticed. You consistently take the discussion higher.

Trump himself is somewhat of a troll. He was trolling the Pope with the picture. For many people The Pope speaks for God, and The Pope was steering out of his lane and into politics by ignoring the mess created by Biden with open borders ((rapes, drugs, criminals, murders, cartel supervision of the border) and criticizing the cleanup crew (Trump's administration).

Trump is hugely into trolling. He's a serious provocateur, especially when it comes to aggitating the Left. (I've long regarded him as essentially a media creature, although I have to say I've been surprised by his effectiveness at getting things accomplished in the face of some pretty stiff opposition, so far.) He crosses the line, for sure, and I'm not thrilled with this particular joke. At the same time, having crass humour is probably not a serious flaw in a leader. I doubt Trump has any real Christian convictions in him anyway (though what do I know, for sure) but I haven't seen an American leader in living memory whose moral turpitude of some kind didn't seem obvious to me.

I don't think that many of us in the West choose our leaders by checking their moral fibre, so all the howls of moral indignation about Trump fail to impress me much (thank you, Shania).

I'm not fooled by the Lefties here. They get all high and moralizing when it comes to Trump's memes or his coarse words, but they have zero interest in the rapacious actual behaviour of their own leaders, like Clinton, Obama or Biden. Even funnier, they deny there's such a thing as objective morality, and then want to tell me what objective moral stance I should take with regard to Trump. If it wasn't so brainless, it would be hypocritical.

Anyway, I have no need to roll in the mud with the silly set. So I prefer to ignore them.

[MikeNovack]

I'm not fooled by the Lefties here. ......, but they have zero interest in the rapacious actual behaviour of their own leaders, like Clinton, Obama or Biden. Even funnier, they deny there's such a thing as objective morality,

LOL --- you imagine that "lefties" consider Clinton, Obama, or Biden THEIR leaders? You haven't a clue about who
"lefties" are and what they believe. You have only your bizarre beliefs about that.

Michael

[Immanuel Can]

I'm not fooled by the Lefties here. ......, but they have zero interest in the rapacious actual behaviour of their own leaders, like Clinton, Obama or Biden. Even funnier, they deny there's such a thing as objective morality,

LOL --- you imagine that "lefties" consider Clinton, Obama, or Biden THEIR leaders?

Well, we're talking American politics only, of course. But if the problem you're naming is "Trump," as above, then what is supposed to be his opposite?

[Iwannaplato]

I think it goes deeper. You should go deeper to find it.

No, you should go deeper. You went deep, but the next layer is where the deepy deep real meaning is.

I have an interesting theory I'll keep to myself for now, because I'm interested in responses and what they reveal.

Spoken like a true esoteric mage.

Oh, I already wrote it all out to my satisfaction, but like I said, I'm interested in replies.

For instance, you're more concerned about me than the topic, and FlashDangerPants is more concerned with IC than the topic.

Interesting, and consistent.

It's like ... you have a team mentality.

Oh, yeah. He has the same reaction to democrats I do. Did you read any of your posts to me. The mind reading and condescension. They were personal. Is that because you and Flash are on the same team. You could have written on the topic but you opted not to. You could have responded to my posts about Trump on the topic, but you answered about me and democrats for some reason. And then abandoned responding when I pointed out how confused your posts were. You can only think in terms of teams, so criticism of your team, means you can defend your team by attacking the other team. That also puts you in the same box.

[Walker]

That seems so unfair of me to do all those things,
'specially (the part about) me not reading all the posts I wrote.
It must be frustrating for you.

https://web.archive.org/web/20080917153 ... 7a.jpg?v=0

[Walker]

“Obama is a LightWorker – an Attuned Being with Powerful Luminosity and High-Vibration Integrity who will actually help usher in a New Way of Being.”
https://web.archive.org/web/20080917153 ... gspot.com/

Comment:
Observing the radical Left today, it would be quite easy to speculate on what this new way of Being, became ... other than mainstream.

[Walker]

They will think what I tell them to think. - Citizen Kane (not Abel)

Insidious, a comparative example.

https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=tr ... 55&first=1

https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Ob ... CA&first=1

[Impenitent]

Trump as Jesus is slanderous but Obama with a homosexual halo is your new object of worship

you say you want a revolution...

-Imp

[Iwannaplato]

That seems so unfair of me to do all those things,
'specially (the part about) me not reading all the posts I wrote.
It must be frustrating for you.

Cute, yeah, that must have been what I meant. Anyway, it's all good: your hallucination that SPLC was relevant to my response to FlashdangerPants and your assumption that there are 2 teams, so Trump is ok because some Democrats have done the same things. The most important thing is that you sensed there was something you didn't agree with or someone didn't like your guy. It doesn't matter what junk logic or irrelevance you hurl. You're on the right team, and in a philosophy forum, that's what matters.

Thanks for the very relevant image of, I don't know college students? office workers?, and the large drawing of Obama. It's making me seriously reconsider, well, something.

I understand that saying, oh, I misinterpreted your post to FDP would have been, for reasons unknown, a big loss of face. And likewise the same with saying, yeah ok, I assumed you were a democrat, let me shift gears and come at the criticism of Trump another way - you know, respond to my post, a post not about you.

[Gary Childress]

Trolling's not my thing. Even to twit the twits is a "low rent" kind of hobby.

I’ve noticed. You consistently take the discussion higher.

Trump himself is somewhat of a troll. He was trolling the Pope with the picture. For many people The Pope speaks for God, and The Pope was steering out of his lane and into politics by ignoring the mess created by Biden with open borders ((rapes, drugs, criminals, murders, cartel supervision of the border) and criticizing the cleanup crew (Trump's administration).

Trump is hugely into trolling. He's a serious provocateur, especially when it comes to aggitating the Left. (I've long regarded him as essentially a media creature, although I have to say I've been surprised by his effectiveness at getting things accomplished in the face of some pretty stiff opposition, so far.) He crosses the line, for sure, and I'm not thrilled with this particular joke. At the same time, having crass humour is probably not a serious flaw in a leader. I doubt Trump has any real Christian convictions in him anyway (though what do I know, for sure) but I haven't seen an American leader in living memory whose moral turpitude of some kind didn't seem obvious to me.

I don't think that many of us in the West choose our leaders by checking their moral fibre, so all the howls of moral indignation about Trump fail to impress me much (thank you, Shania).

I'm not fooled by the Lefties here. They get all high and moralizing when it comes to Trump's memes or his coarse words, but they have zero interest in the rapacious actual behaviour of their own leaders, like Clinton, Obama or Biden. Even funnier, they deny there's such a thing as objective morality, and then want to tell me what objective moral stance I should take with regard to Trump. If it wasn't so brainless, it would be hypocritical.

Anyway, I have no need to roll in the mud with the silly set. So I prefer to ignore them.

But in the end, you have more issues with Biden and Obama, than Trump, is that correct? I noticed a while back that you put Sanders up there as one of the rich "leftie" playboys. It's kind of a strange thing for me to hear. I've always liked Sanders. He seems more of a social democrat than a democratic socialist.

[Immanuel Can]

But in the end, you have more issues with Biden and Obama, than Trump, is that correct?

I'm not American, Gary. Seeing the corruption in the Democrats does not, for me, entail loving anybody else. Only an American, bi-partisan as they always seem to be, could imagine that disliking one has to entail liking the other. That they can't get their heads out of the Republican-Democrat / Good-Bad dichotomy does not mean everybody else has to think that way, or does. And I don't.

Truth be told, I wouldn't choose ANY of our present leaders. So far as I'm concerned, they're all different degrees of bad. I don't see one whose morals and character I admire, or one I would have agreed should be allowed to run a pig farm, let alone the world's most powerful nation. And I would say the same about the politicians in my own country. In short, there are no ultimate answers in politics.

But Socialism is a particular plague upon humankind. Statistically, it's done more damage -- by orders of magnitude -- than any other ideology or force in history. Recognizing that means having special concern about all politicians who lean that way. Historically, they've all proved treacherous.

Christians also expect this. They know that human beings are not merely flawed, but many are often gleefully wicked, too. The old axiom about power corrupting is not pointless: give any man power, and the temptations increase accordingly. Where can we find the man who can be trusted with such power as rests in the hands of the American president? I do not think we have an answer to that.

I can think of nobody...just degrees of danger. But I can see that Socialism, historically, is the most dangerous lever a wicked and tyrannically-ambitious man can pull on. So I think we need special skepticism for all such big-government, collectivist and utopian projects. They kill people.

The only real answers are personal and spiritual. We cannot rely on politics, because politics is peopled by the corrupt, greedy and power-hungry. This is one small area in which Communists got one idea right: unless we have a new kind of man, all our political aspirations will turn to nightmares. You can't make good things out of corrupt people -- or as Jesus said, "...each tree is known by its own fruit. For people do not gather figs from thorns, nor do they pick grapes from a briar bush." (Luke 6:44) Thus, you can't make good politics from wicked men.

This is why we need to be saved, Gary...from ourselves, first, and then from the consequences of our bad decisions. We need personal transformation. What we are is not good enough. Political projects of all kinds are too often nothing more than strenuous human attempts to live in denial of this unassailable fact. And that's why they fail.

[Gary Childress]

But in the end, you have more issues with Biden and Obama, than Trump, is that correct?

I'm not American, Gary. Seeing the corruption in the Democrats does not, for me, entail loving anybody else. Only an American, bi-partisan as they always seem to be, could imagine that disliking one has to entail liking the other. That they can't get their heads out of the Republican-Democrat / Good-Bad dichotomy does not mean everybody else has to think that way, or does. And I don't.

Truth be told, I wouldn't choose ANY of our present leaders. So far as I'm concerned, they're all different degrees of bad. I don't see one whose morals and character I admire, or one I would have agreed should be allowed to run a pig farm, let alone the world's most powerful nation. And I would say the same about the politicians in my own country. In short, there are no ultimate answers in politics.

But Socialism is a particular plague upon humankind. Statistically, it's done more damage -- by orders of magnitude -- than any other ideology or force in history. Recognizing that means having special concern about all politicians who lean that way. Historically, they've all proved treacherous.

Christians also expect this. They know that human beings are not merely flawed, but many are often gleefully wicked, too. The old axiom about power corrupting is not pointless: give any man power, and the temptations increase accordingly. Where can we find the man who can be trusted with such power as rests in the hands of the American president? I do not think we have an answer to that.

I can think of nobody...just degrees of danger. But I can see that Socialism, historically, is the most dangerous lever a wicked and tyrannically-ambitious man can pull on. So I think we need special skepticism for all such big-government, collectivist and utopian projects. They kill people.

The only real answers are personal and spiritual. We cannot rely on politics, because politics is peopled by the corrupt, greedy and power-hungry. This is one small area in which Communists got one idea right: unless we have a new kind of man, all our political aspirations will turn to nightmares. You can't make good things out of corrupt people -- or as Jesus said, "...each tree is known by its own fruit. For people do not gather figs from thorns, nor do they pick grapes from a briar bush." (Luke 6:44) Thus, you can't make good politics from wicked men.

This is why we need to be saved, Gary...from ourselves, first, and then from the consequences of our bad decisions. We need personal transformation. What we are is not good enough. Political projects of all kinds are too often nothing more than strenuous human attempts to live in denial of this unassailable fact. And that's why they fail.

If we need to be transformed, how does that happen? When do we know we've been "transformed"? When do we know a particular leader is better or worse than another? Or, if they're all bad, then what can we realistically hope for in this world, other than chaos and catastrophe? How does one know when to resist something and when not to?