Fabianism

[Immanuel Can]

My definition is bigger than yours.

He doesn't have one. I guess you'd say he's a "definition-eunuch."

[phyllo]

I wouldn't say that.

[Immanuel Can]

I wouldn't say that.

Yeah, maybe he has one...but whatever it is, he isn't proud of it, obviously.

[phyllo]

Are you proud of your definition?

[Immanuel Can]

Are you proud of your definition?

Oxford is. Cambridge is. Lots of other sources cite the same definition.

So why not?

[MikeNovack]

IC when we define "something" (attach a term to this "something") we have to agree about the existence of the "something". If we are talking about two different somethings, naturally our definitions clash.

If you really think you are ready to return to socialism (I think you're not)

a) When Lenin wrote Left Wing Communism; An Infantile Disorder who is he writing against? Branches of "socialism" that did not exist? That do not still exist? Left vs right in THIS context means democratic vs authoritarian.

b) The branches of religious communism, what about them.

c) The utopian branches, past and surviving into the present.

I know what "state socialism" is (short for AUTHORITARIAN state socialism) and THAT is the "something" I recognize from your definition of "socialism". I also know that some WITHIN the authoritarian branches of socialism would agree with your definition (but many would not, would still consider wrongheaded socialists to be socialists)

What is your problem? Why do you NEED "all socialists are authoritarian socialists". Just because then you need only to say why authoritarianism is bad? I'm sure you will be able to find arguments against the various non-authoritarian branches (just might have to be different arguments, branch by branch)

Or to return to cats, stop saying the equivalent of "all cats are domestic cats" and "being domestic is essential to being a cat". << This IS what you are doing with respect to "socialism" >>

[Immanuel Can]

IC when we define "something" (attach a term to this "something") we have to agree about the existence of the "something". If we are talking about two different somethings, naturally our definitions clash.

Right. So let's see if your definition and mine are the same, so we can see if they clash.

Never mind. You're just making excuses. That you won't do it says everything I really need to know.

[phyllo]

Are you proud of your definition?

Oxford is. Cambridge is. Lots of other sources cite the same definition.

So why not?

You might as well be proud of the sack of potatoes you bought in the grocery store.

[Immanuel Can]

Are you proud of your definition?

Oxford is. Cambridge is. Lots of other sources cite the same definition.

So why not?

You might as well be proud of the sack of potatoes you bought in the grocery store.

Or of wasting time on exchanging petty aphorisms with you.

Rebuke accepted.

[Walker]

Rebuke accepted.

If it leads to watching this, then worthwhile.

The Promised Land (Bastarden)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt20561198/

This historical flick is about the first potato farmer in Denmark, which is more interesting than it sounds, with an interesting ending. He was quite proud of his first potato.

[Impenitent]

Are you proud of your definition?

Oxford is. Cambridge is. Lots of other sources cite the same definition.

So why not?

You might as well be proud of the sack of potatoes you bought in the grocery store.

I had a marvelous sack of potatoes once
until they wouldn't stop looking at me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLOrAzfdY7E

-Imp

[Immanuel Can]

...more interesting than it sounds...

It would have to be.

[Immanuel Can]

News on the Fabian front...

It doesn't seem that things are going as planned for Kier Starmer and his other Fabian buddies in the Labour Party. News out of England is that Reform is eating their lunch.

[FlashDangerpants]

When inflation and fuel or food prices are high, the incumbent party loses elections. Same will happen in a few months at the US midterms.

Meanwhile, one of the Reform candidates who won his election has already quit because he didn't want the job. One who won and isn't quitting is in trouble for tweeting "Carnt believe amount of nigerians in town…..should melt them all down and fill in the pot holes!!". And another is in trouble for tweeting "But the hollocaust is a hoax". These aren't exactly the best of the best, they might not represent a long term threat.

[Immanuel Can]

"As the final results came in Saturday, Labour suffered a net loss of more than 1,100 local council seats across England, lost control of several local authorities it had held for decades and was booted from power in Wales after 27 years. Anti-immigration party Reform UK gained over 1,300 seats across England and made significant gains in legislative elections in Wales and Scotland." (Source: AP)

It looks like Labour is about to have its own "Night of the Long Knives." Starmer the Fabian Socialist is trying to hold on to power...but will his own party even let him do that, after such catastrophic losses?