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Tune in.

Same batshit-crazy-time, same batshit-crazy-channel.
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Iwannaplato wrote: Fri Apr 17, 2026 9:24 pm
He's a destabilizing agent, a fault injection, a saboteur, the wrench in the works, he's a Trojan Horse (with conservatives being the citizens of Troy).
These days in the US, because of the midterm inevitability of the President's political party losing power in Congress, two years is not much time to right the course of the nation away from open borders and its consequences, and away from the threat of nuclear leverage from a terroristic intent that has endured for forty-seven years and grown stronger through faith in negotiations.

Trump's lame duck aim was to set in motion with action, and codify through legislation, rather than change the course through weaker presidential fiat, and do what he could to influence Senate legislating to keep it so. What has not yet been accomplished, such as required identification for voting in order to greatly reduce voting fraud, was due to the Senate slow walking legislation either by design or ineptitude. Also, slowed by the courts that challenged and slowed every executive decree.

Oh yes, he will pay the price for necessary fast action on many fronts intended to change the course of corruption, a change that benefits the nation rather than the traditional power brokers, who are getting pretty long in the tooth. By now, the process of governance has evolved for the benefit of the elected politicians. The Democrats are vowing to make Trump pay the price for just about anything and everything he has done, and also everyone who was associated with him, as soon as they have the Congressional power. Technology will be a help. Remember, we have been told by heroes that even the lowest non-com grunt has the right to defy orders, even those orders that could have originated right from the top (just sayin'). Keep in mind that the process more than the conviction is a substantial part of the destruction.
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Iwannaplato wrote: Fri Apr 17, 2026 9:24 pm He's a destabilizing agent, a fault injection, a saboteur, the wrench in the works, he's a Trojan Horse (with conservatives being the citizens of Troy).
Trump is 'old guard'. He grew up in postwar America. Hence his "Make America Great AGAIN" slogan. He's behind the times. An anachronism. And I mean, REALLY behind. He needs to go, that is for sure. With his record so far, I doubt he should be looked at as anything different than what you describe above. Perhaps, he can salvage his record a bit by bringing peace to the Iranian debacle. However, it will be the Iranians humbling themselves in the name of peace, if they seek peace at this point (since they have the upper hand).

So Trump has his work cut out for him. As it stands, Trump is all those things you say above. He can salvage some of his legacy with a successful peace deal with Iran that following Presidents can perhaps build on, but he's made his own job more difficult in that respect by starting an unprovoked war.
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Walker wrote: Tue Apr 21, 2026 2:10 pm
Iwannaplato wrote: Fri Apr 17, 2026 9:24 pm
He's a destabilizing agent, a fault injection, a saboteur, the wrench in the works, he's a Trojan Horse (with conservatives being the citizens of Troy).
and away from the threat of nuclear leverage from a terroristic intent that has endured for forty-seven years and grown stronger through faith in negotiations.
47 years! Well, then he should not have again and again and again said how disgusted he was with regime change and promised everyone an isolationist approach in foreign relations. That was one of the few things I liked about him and he lost a lot of his support, for good reasons, from the people he seems to have lied to. He's monstrously handled the Epstein data, which he kept saying had nothing in it, it's old news and when finally under enough pressure to release some redacted...oops it turns out even in the cleaned up data there is a lot of very important information. Again lying to his own people also.

Most conservative commentators have gone anti-trump. Not because they're liberal, but because he has betrayed the people who voted for him and gone against most things he stood for.

Both conservatives and liberals have a very hard time believing that 'their' candidate is part of the exact same system as the evil Commie or Nazi the other team voted for. And regardless of what they do, they hang on, because it would be so damn painful to admit that they were duped and even what is supposedly an outsider (a real stretch with Trump) is just another front.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2160356531171064
There are many who have broken with him but that reel goes through many reasons fairly quickly.
Candace Owen
George Will
Bill Kristol
Charlie Sykes
Max Boot
Jennifer Rubin
Joe Scarborough
Nicolle Wallace
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Bret Stephens
Michael Gerson
Peter Wehner
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Even Trump is often measured by conceptual ideals, rather than by reality.
This tendency could be the irreducible root of TDS.

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Keeping it on-topic, as always …

Jesus was punished for attacking the corruption of God’s intent.
Trump shall be punished for attacking the corruption of constitutional intent ... and the punishers do know what they do.
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Iwannaplato wrote: Tue Apr 21, 2026 2:19 pm Most conservative commentators have gone anti-trump. Not because they're liberal, but because he has betrayed the people who voted for him and gone against most things he stood for.
Mist in the wind.
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Walker wrote: Tue Apr 21, 2026 3:01 pm Keeping it on-topic, as always …

Jesus was punished for attacking the corruption of God’s intent.
Trump shall be punished for attacking the corruption of constitutional intent ... and the punishers do know what they do.
Paula White-Cain compared Trump to Jesus at Easter.

“Mr President, no one has paid the price like you have paid the price,” she declared to the room. “It almost cost you your life. You were betrayed and arrested and falsely accused. It’s a familiar pattern that our Lord and Saviour showed us. But it didn’t end there for him, and it didn’t end there for you.”

“Because he rose, we all know we can rise, and, sir, because of his resurrection, you rose up,” she proclaimed. “Because he was victorious, you were victorious. And I believe that the Lord said to tell you this: Because of his victory, you will be victorious in all you put your hand to.”
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I believe there are lots of people who would say "lets see you prove you are like Jesus" Lets have you die and then see you rise from the dead.
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MikeNovack wrote: Tue Apr 21, 2026 3:39 pm I believe there are lots of people who would say "lets see you prove you are like Jesus" Lets have you die and then see you rise from the dead.
actually, with modern medicine, it happens more than one thinks

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Impenitent wrote: Tue Apr 21, 2026 4:07 pm
MikeNovack wrote: Tue Apr 21, 2026 3:39 pm I believe there are lots of people who would say "lets see you prove you are like Jesus" Lets have you die and then see you rise from the dead.
actually, with modern medicine, it happens more than one thinks

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Doctors must be Gods. It's all voodoo and magic.
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Walker wrote: Tue Apr 21, 2026 3:04 pm Mist in the wind.
Was this self-referential?
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Discovery Channel. "Conspiracies and Cover Ups," Mind Controlled Assassin, Season 1, Episode 1, Mind Controlled Assassin.
A informational show about being certain and completely immune to doubt or error. Or, the show could be impossible and the possibility of modalities, "Could not happen." Truth is not a belief as believing can be false where knowledge cannot be false. A justification is a genuine knowledge and not a lucky guess or baseless conviction. A person S knows that q iff S believes it is possible that q.
Refute with logic that is data and research. Using logic as it is interested in only what things are but also what they could be.
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Iwannaplato wrote: Wed Apr 22, 2026 5:42 am
Walker wrote: Tue Apr 21, 2026 3:04 pm Mist in the wind.
Was this self-referential?
He's more of a piss into wind.
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puto wrote: Wed Apr 22, 2026 9:35 am Discovery Channel. "Conspiracies and Cover Ups," Mind Controlled Assassin, Season 1, Episode 1, Mind Controlled Assassin.
A informational show about being certain and completely immune to doubt or error.
Sounds like it is about specific topics where people are certain think they are completely immune to doubt or error.
Or, the show could be impossible and the possibility of modalities, "Could not happen."
I don't know what this part means.

Is this post connected in some way or a response to something else in the thread?
Truth is not a belief as believing can be false where knowledge cannot be false.
In science even knowledge is considered revisable. Knowledge is generally considered well/rigorously justified beliefs. A type of belief that has, for example, good evidence supporting it. But there is a chance that later it will prove to not be correct.

A justification is a genuine knowledge
Justification is the argument/evidence that leads to something being considered knowledge.
A person S knows that q iff S believes it is possible that q.
S knows that q → S believes that q is possible --- that works. You have to believe something is possible if you think it is true. X is impossible, but it's true would be strange. But if and only if is a problem. You need to know more than it is possible to know it is true.
Or perhaps you meant 'if' not 'iff'
Using logic as it is interested in only what things are but also what they could be.
This isn't really grammatically correct or clear.
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