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[phyllo]

Anyway, I let it grow up a bit, had its front claws removed and fixed, and we have had it ever since, cept for 1 month, when it let itself out the back door to see the world. It stayed gone for a month, then one day, looking like it had not eaten for a while, shaggy and scarred, it begged to be let in. It was afraid of the door for a long time, and, you cannot even bring it outside, it gets very scared.

Not surprising since a declawed cat can't hunt or defend itself.

[Maia]

I acquired mine when, arriving at home with my son, I found a tiny kitten that looked liked someone tossed it out of a moving car due to the scape on its head.

Evidently from a kitty farm, they have a habit of getting rid of kittens they can not immediately sell.

Anyway, I let it grow up a bit, had its front claws removed and fixed, and we have had it ever since, cept for 1 month, when it let itself out the back door to see the world. It stayed gone for a month, then one day, looking like it had not eaten for a while, shaggy and scarred, it begged to be let in. It was afraid of the door for a long time, and, you cannot even bring it outside, it gets very scared.

So, for years it has not even tried to get out.

She sounds gorgeous, a truly lovely, and loving, little pussycat.

Accelafine and Phyllo are both absolutely correct, though. De-clawing a cat is wrong, and it's no surprise that she never goes out. I hope you consider this in the future.

[Phil8659]

Accelafine and Phyllo are both absolutely correct, though. De-clawing a cat is wrong, and it's no surprise that she never goes out. I hope you consider this in the future.

Right and wrong, up and down, good and bad, etc. Are determined by the use of Analog data sets, which you transform into logical operators to perform a judgement. i.e., standards by which any conclusion is derived.

So, if you would, please do not be shy and share that information so that we can all work the equation. If you do not know how to do that, you will find it in my work. It is a very simple process.

I was raised with cats all my life, and I know many people who keep cats have the front claws removed, especially if they also have children who play with them.
And I do not recall asking for the opinions of your brainless click,
If you have something to say, say what you know, not boast of what you don't.

And I know for a fact, well bread Siamese cats, even with front declawed, will still go out hunting and bring back gifts from their hunts and put them at the front door.

[Maia]

Accelafine and Phyllo are both absolutely correct, though. De-clawing a cat is wrong, and it's no surprise that she never goes out. I hope you consider this in the future.

Right and wrong, up and down, good and bad, etc. Are determined by the use of Analog data sets, which you transform into logical operators to perform a judgement. i.e., standards by which any conclusion is derived.

So, if you would, please do not be shy and share that information so that we can all work the equation. If you do not know how to do that, you will find it in my work. It is a very simple process.

I was raised with cats all my life, and I know many people who keep cats have the front claws removed, especially if they also have children who play with them.
And I do not recall asking for the opinions of your brainless click,
If you have something to say, say what you know, not boast of what you don't.

Removing the front claws of a cat is equivalent, in terms of how disabling it is, to chopping a child's hands off. It'll keep them out of mischief, so why not?

I, too, have been raised with cats my whole life. Not a single one of them has ever had its claws removed, and yet, not a single one of them has ever been a problem, including with children, namely, my brother and myself. Cats don't scratch their families. They pull their punches, as it were, just like when they bite, but not very hard.

A cat likes to roam, to patrol its territory, to explore. If you prevent it from doing that, you are suppressing its nature.

[Phil8659]

Removing the front claws of a cat is equivalent, in terms of how disabling it is, to chopping a child's hands off. It'll keep them out of mischief, so why not?

I, too, have been raised with cats my whole life. Not a single one of them has ever had its claws removed, and yet, not a single one of them has ever been a problem, including with children, namely, my brother and myself. Cats don't scratch their families. They pull their punches, as it were, just like when they bite, but not very hard.

A cat likes to roam, to patrol its territory, to explore. If you prevent it from doing that, you are suppressing its nature.

After your irrational temper tantrum, maybe you might consider answering my question.
I have had some of my nails removed, and some of them I pulled off myself. I once popped the whole end of a finger like a tomato yet I still have my hands. I must be magic.

And by what you are saying, you have not lived around many cats at all. Maybe you should search the internet. Things are not as simple as you claim. '

[Maia]

Removing the front claws of a cat is equivalent, in terms of how disabling it is, to chopping a child's hands off. It'll keep them out of mischief, so why not?

I, too, have been raised with cats my whole life. Not a single one of them has ever had its claws removed, and yet, not a single one of them has ever been a problem, including with children, namely, my brother and myself. Cats don't scratch their families. They pull their punches, as it were, just like when they bite, but not very hard.

A cat likes to roam, to patrol its territory, to explore. If you prevent it from doing that, you are suppressing its nature.

After your irrational temper tantrum, maybe you might consider answering my question.
I have had some of my nails removed, and some of them I pulled off myself. I once popped the whole end of a finger like a tomato yet I still have my hands. I must be magic.

And by what you are saying, you have not lived around many cats at all. Maybe you should search the internet. Things are not as simple as you claim. '

A cat's claws are not equivalent to a human's nails in terms of their use.

I assure you that I have indeed lived around cats, my whole life. Ones that haven't been mutilated for the convenience of their owners.

[Phil8659]

A cat's claws are not equivalent to a human's nails in terms of their use.

I assure you that I have indeed lived around cats, my whole life. Ones that haven't been mutilated for the convenience of their owners.

I see you still refuse to answer my question so I will tell you a story.

Once upon a time, I went to the city dump for project supplies, and when I arrived, I found a couple of hillbillies making sport of running over a bag of kittens someone tossed out, Now, I could do nothing about that.

But when I take in a kitten, as I did, and spend thousands of dollars over the life time of the kitten where part of that deal of giving it a home is making it safer for my property and children, and then someone telling my how cruel and inhumane I am, I just might get upset and tell them to go fuck off.

But I would rather you answer in a rational fashion than giving me your pathetic response.

This not now, nor has there ever been, any form of life that is entitled to live. Every form of life has to work in order to survive. And a working relationship is one of them.

[Maia]

A cat's claws are not equivalent to a human's nails in terms of their use.

I assure you that I have indeed lived around cats, my whole life. Ones that haven't been mutilated for the convenience of their owners.

I see you still refuse to answer my question so I will tell you a story.

Once upon a time, I went to the city dump for project supplies, and when I arrived, I found a couple of hillbillies making sport of running over a bag of kittens someone tossed out, Now, I could do nothing about that.

But when I take in a kitten, as I did, and spend thousands of dollars over the life time of the kitten where part of that deal of giving it a home is making it safer for my property and children, and then someone telling my how cruel and inhumane I am, I just might get upset and tell them to go fuck off.

But I would rather you answer in a rational fashion than giving my your pathetic response.

You will note, I hope, that my first response was far more conciliatory, encouraging you to reconsider for the future.

You asked me to explain my reasoning, and I have.

As for making your cat safer, you haven't. De-clawed cats are far more likely to bite, often out of frustration, and are also far more likely to mess up your home, since they're in it all the time.

But, again, I urge you to consider all this if you ever get another cat. What's done is done, and I fully accept that you were doing what you thought was best.

[Phil8659]

A cat's claws are not equivalent to a human's nails in terms of their use.

I assure you that I have indeed lived around cats, my whole life. Ones that haven't been mutilated for the convenience of their owners.

I see you still refuse to answer my question so I will tell you a story.

Once upon a time, I went to the city dump for project supplies, and when I arrived, I found a couple of hillbillies making sport of running over a bag of kittens someone tossed out, Now, I could do nothing about that.

But when I take in a kitten, as I did, and spend thousands of dollars over the life time of the kitten where part of that deal of giving it a home is making it safer for my property and children, and then someone telling my how cruel and inhumane I am, I just might get upset and tell them to go fuck off.

But I would rather you answer in a rational fashion than giving my your pathetic response.

You will note, I hope, that my first response was far more conciliatory, encouraging you to reconsider for the future.

You asked me to explain my reasoning, and I have.

As for making your cat safer, you haven't. De-clawed cats are far more likely to bite, often out of frustration, and are also far more likely to mess up your home, since they're in it all the time.

But, again, I urge you to consider all this if you ever get another cat. What's done is done, and I fully accept that you were doing what you thought was best.

I see, you think you answered my question, apparently you have not studied much about grammar and reasoning beyond corporate funded schooling.
There are two types of identity, arithmethic and geometric, analogical and logical,

You gave me opinion not data, not fact.
You can read for yourself, on the internet, many opinions, and some facts. I suggest you try it.

But here is a direct question; Has any child lost their sight because of a domestic house cat?

[Maia]

I see you still refuse to answer my question so I will tell you a story.

Once upon a time, I went to the city dump for project supplies, and when I arrived, I found a couple of hillbillies making sport of running over a bag of kittens someone tossed out, Now, I could do nothing about that.

But when I take in a kitten, as I did, and spend thousands of dollars over the life time of the kitten where part of that deal of giving it a home is making it safer for my property and children, and then someone telling my how cruel and inhumane I am, I just might get upset and tell them to go fuck off.

But I would rather you answer in a rational fashion than giving my your pathetic response.

You will note, I hope, that my first response was far more conciliatory, encouraging you to reconsider for the future.

You asked me to explain my reasoning, and I have.

As for making your cat safer, you haven't. De-clawed cats are far more likely to bite, often out of frustration, and are also far more likely to mess up your home, since they're in it all the time.

But, again, I urge you to consider all this if you ever get another cat. What's done is done, and I fully accept that you were doing what you thought was best.

I see, you think you answered my question, apparently you have not studied much about grammar and reasoning beyond corporate funded schooling.
There are two types of identity, arithmethic and geometric, analogical and logical,

You gave me opinion not data, not fact.
You can read for yourself, on the internet, many opinions, and some facts. I suggest you try it.

What does grammar have to do with an argument about cruelty?

My grammar is probably better than yours, anyway.

[Maia]

+++But here is a direct question; Has any child lost their sight because of a domestic house cat?+++

I notice that you added this little gem after I was already writing my reply. The answer is yes. There's an infection that kids can get from cat shit that, in very rare cases, can cause blindness. This is far more likely to happen if a cat is forced to do its business indoors, in litter trays, which is the case if the cat can't go outside.

[accelafine]

Accelafine and Phyllo are both absolutely correct, though. De-clawing a cat is wrong, and it's no surprise that she never goes out. I hope you consider this in the future.

Right and wrong, up and down, good and bad, etc. Are determined by the use of Analog data sets, which you transform into logical operators to perform a judgement. i.e., standards by which any conclusion is derived.

So, if you would, please do not be shy and share that information so that we can all work the equation. If you do not know how to do that, you will find it in my work. It is a very simple process.

I was raised with cats all my life, and I know many people who keep cats have the front claws removed, especially if they also have children who play with them.
And I do not recall asking for the opinions of your brainless click,
If you have something to say, say what you know, not boast of what you don't.

And I know for a fact, well bread Siamese cats, even with front declawed, will still go out hunting and bring back gifts from their hunts and put them at the front door.

There's a reason why the practice is banned in civilised countries. It's even banned in some US states, and the US considers animal cruelty to be a constitutional right.
Did you have its teeth removed while you were about it?
Declawing is not only psychologically damaging and dangerous, it also increases the risk of biting (cat bites are a lot more dangerous than cat scratches), causes chronic pain and arthritis, makes walking difficult......
Cats love their claws. Ever seen how much they love their scratching post? Your poor cat would only be able to stare at one and feel sad.

[MikeNovack]

If you don't want a cat living with you if it has its claws intact, don't have a cat living with you.

Yes a declawed cat can usually still catch some prey (smaller prey). And cats kill wit their teeth (again, small prey might already be fatally injured by claws). But their larger prey no as will not be able to hold well enough to et that neck/head bite in (squirrels, rabbits, etc.).

What a declawed cat cannot do is adequately defend itself.

[Impenitent]

If you don't want a cat living with you if it has its claws intact, don't have a cat living with you.

Yes a declawed cat can usually still catch some prey (smaller prey). And cats kill wit their teeth (again, small prey might already be fatally injured by claws). But their larger prey no as will not be able to hold well enough to et that neck/head bite in (squirrels, rabbits, etc.).

What a declawed cat cannot do is adequately defend itself.

then give 'em shotguns...

how's that for bird shot?

-Imp

[phyllo]

It seems I was mistaken about the ability of declawed cats to hunt. There have been studies on it, but I can't find any numbers on the success rate of declawed cats as compared to intact cats.

AI Overview
Studies and expert reports indicate that declawed cats do not stop hunting, but their ability to catch and kill prey effectively is severely compromised, often resulting in injured rather than dispatched prey. While they lose their primary weapons, they may continue to chase, pounce, and "bat down" wildlife, compensating for the lack of claws with other methods.

Impact on Hunting and Behavior

Reduced Success, Continued Drive: Declawed cats retain their predatory instinct and continue to hunt, but they are less efficient at killing.

Alternative Hunting Methods: Without claws for seizing prey, they often rely on biting or using their weight to "bat down" creatures.

Severe Handicap: Declawing (which is the amputation of the last bone of the toes) removes the ability to climb, effectively defend themselves, or hunt properly