Tell the holy truth and nothing but the holy truth

[Walker]

1. Where do we come from?
2. What are we?
3. Where are we going?

1. I had a mother and father. Didn't you?
2. We are humans.
3. All humans die.

Further scientific clarification …
1. Here.
2. Movers.
3. There.

[Walker]

the holy truth is that bagels usually roll better than donuts

yet if they were simultaneously affixed to either end of an axel, the axel would probably turn as it progressed...

-Imp

The track of that bagal’s movement is the circumference around a pizza-pie divisible into eight separate triangles of equal area that share a common point, so no one gets lesser of the greater than any of the other seven, unless bargaining appears.

Toaster directions:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8kThoZpF_U

[Impenitent]

at least 3.14 slices of pie

-Imp

[Walker]

at least 3.14 slices of pie

-Imp

Wouldn’t you know it. Pi is absolute, objective, objectively imprecise and as a number, simply irrational, not least of all because the statistical comparison of relative circumferences that ends with pi also discourages pie-slice equity when hunger is an element, which is why unless very hungry, altruistically-minded folks will halve the last slice of the pie no matter how small, thereby civilizing the survival of the fittest pizza grabber, and also insuring that there's always a slice by always halving the distance to no pizza.

Like Pi, cannot the bible also be absolute, objective, objectively imprecise and simply irrational as a number-bound document?

[Impenitent]

and then someone bakes a square pizza

-Imp

[Walker]

For purists, a pie without pi just ain’t natural and does not inspire toppings confidence, but that world becomes acceptable due to the daily exposure of pan-dough, which could also explain the existence of Chicago-style politics.

[Walker]

Was pi created, or discovered?

Question: Are faith and objectivity created, or discovered?

Human answer: Each person independently creating the same thing indicates those folks are discovering rather than a creating, which means that pi, faith, and objectivity are discoveries.

Discoveries are reveals, e.g., sex reveals are discoveries but are called gender reveals because the parents to be speak for the psychological state of the born to be.

[Greatest I am]

Was pi created, or discovered?

Question: Are faith and objectivity created, or discovered?

We create all concepts in our minds before they can be understood.

Creating faith is hard work as you have to ignore reality.

That is why faith without facts is for fools.

[Walker]

On the contrary, understanding precedes concepts.

Understanding pain precedes the concept of pain. Concepts are created by the intellect for communicating subjective understanding. For example, although everyone objectively knows pain, everyone knows pain in their own subjective way. Scientifically conceptualizing pain based on facts for communication purposes is often reduced to answering the existential question ... on a scale of one to five, how bad does it hurt? You know, how bad does it hurt based on number facts?

Faith is first a discovery and as a concept on a list of instructions faith is a required element for a desired condition. For example, the condition of driving a car requires faith that some fool with a fake CDL isn’t going to drive head-on into you and interrupt the daydreams.

Concepts such as the fool concept are useful for communicating opinions about faith, based on either direct subjective understanding of how and why faith made oneself a fool, or suppositions of what understanding faith must be like within the subjective experience of other folks who haven’t yet realized how faith made them a fool.

[Greatest I am]

Faith is first a discovery and as a concept on a list of instructions faith is a required element for a desired condition. For example, the condition of driving a car requires faith that some fool with a fake CDL isn’t going to drive head-on into you and interrupt the daydreams.

Concepts such as the fool concept are useful for communicating opinions about faith, based on either direct subjective understanding of how and why faith made oneself a fool, or suppositions of what understanding faith must be like within the subjective experience of other folks who haven’t yet realized how faith made them a fool.

I think we are on the same page, roughly, but think that in your driving scenario, that is more of something you hope wont happen as compared with something you have faith in.

[Walker]

“Man has throught the ages been seeking something beyond himself, beyond material welfare – something we call truth or God or reality, a timeless state – something that cannot be disturbed by circumstances, by thought or by human corruption.

“Man has always asked the question: what is it all about? Has life any meaning, at all? He sees the enormous confusion of life, the brutalities, the revolts, the wars, the endless divisions of religion, ideology and nationality, and with a sense of deep abiding frustration he asks, what is one to do, what is this thing we call living, is there anything beyond it?

“And not finding this nameless thing of a thousand names which he has always sought, he has cultivated faith – faith in a savior or an ideal – and faith invariably breeds violence.”

Comment:
Violence that is thus bred in opposition to faith is a step in the process of understanding what man (pl.) has always sought, and saying this is so does not suggest that this should not be so. It just says the way things have always been, and probably will always be.

[Greatest I am]

“Man has throught the ages been seeking something beyond himself, beyond material welfare – something we call truth or God or reality, a timeless state – something that cannot be disturbed by circumstances, by thought or by human corruption.

“Man has always asked the question: what is it all about? Has life any meaning, at all? He sees the enormous confusion of life, the brutalities, the revolts, the wars, the endless divisions of religion, ideology and nationality, and with a sense of deep abiding frustration he asks, what is one to do, what is this thing we call living, is there anything beyond it?

“And not finding this nameless thing of a thousand names which he has always sought, he has cultivated faith – faith in a savior or an ideal – and faith invariably breeds violence.”

Comment:
Violence that is thus bred in opposition to faith is a step in the process of understanding what man (pl.) has always sought, and saying this is so does not suggest that this should not be so. It just says the way things have always been, and probably will always be.

It is easy to get rid of that frustration when recognizing that all are all working for their best possible end at all times.

The God that I and other Gnostics perpetually seek is an ideal for sure, but not one that is to be idolized.

Settling for an evil God is what has Christians adoring a genocidal piece of Trinity garbage for a God.

As to what is.

We see evolving perfection in a world that is the best it can possibly be, given our pathetic history.

[Walker]

It is easy to get rid of that frustration when recognizing that all are all working for their best possible end at all times.

That's quite generous.

However, I think there are plenty of people who know what is not in their best interest and deliberately work towards that. It's akin to the anti-hero concept of being apart from traditional values, or of living life hard and fast while knowing the price, like a banged-up pro athlete menacing the roads while killing pain, which may indeed be the best possible end in the material world given the material rewards for the best these days.

[Greatest I am]

It is easy to get rid of that frustration when recognizing that all are all working for their best possible end at all times.

That's quite generous.

However, I think there are plenty of people who know what is not in their best interest and deliberately work towards that. It's akin to the anti-hero concept of being apart from traditional values, or of living life hard and fast while knowing the price, like a banged-up pro athlete menacing the roads while killing pain, which may indeed be the best possible end in the material world given the material rewards for the best these days.

Thanks for this.

[Walker]

Tiger is half Asian.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlH9RGLJqxE