So does God hate cynics (along with sodomites, blasphemers, heretics, heathens and Amalekites)?Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2026 6:13 pmThen I'm sorry, Gary. There's simply nothing more about God you're ever going to learn. That's just how it is, when one chooses to be a cynic.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2026 6:11 pmAccording to the definitions you provide above, I must be a "cynic", then. To be perfectly honest, I'm an admirer of Diogenes of Sinope. Therefore, perhaps "the shoe fits" me.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2026 6:08 pm
Go back and read the text again. You won't need to paraphrase it. It's very clear.
Do you know what the difference between a "rational skeptic" and a "cynic" is? A "rational skeptic" comes looking for reasons, evidence and proof of things. He's willing to accept whatever he finds, for either side of a position, so long as it's good. But a "cynic" is one who has no interest in that: he's coming to a question not for evidence, reasons or proof, but to dismiss one side at all costs.
Which are you right now, Gary? I'll let you decide.
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God doesn't hate cynics (bad "paraphrase," i.e. misreprestentation, again). But he doesn't cater to them, either.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2026 6:16 pmSo does God hate cynics (along with sodomites, blasphemers, heretics, heathens and Amalekites)?Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2026 6:13 pmThen I'm sorry, Gary. There's simply nothing more about God you're ever going to learn. That's just how it is, when one chooses to be a cynic.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2026 6:11 pm
According to the definitions you provide above, I must be a "cynic", then. To be perfectly honest, I'm an admirer of Diogenes of Sinope. Therefore, perhaps "the shoe fits" me.
As I've said before, Gary...you come to God on His terms, or not at all.
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So I can be a cynic and not go to Hell, is that the case?Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2026 6:25 pmGod doesn't hate cynics (bad "paraphrase," i.e. misreprestentation, again). But he doesn't cater to them, either.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2026 6:16 pmSo does God hate cynics (along with sodomites, blasphemers, heretics, heathens and Amalekites)?Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2026 6:13 pm
Then I'm sorry, Gary. There's simply nothing more about God you're ever going to learn. That's just how it is, when one chooses to be a cynic.
As I've said before, Gary...you come to God on His terms, or not at all.
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God loves you, Gary. That doesn't mean He's going to force you into a relationship with Him, or prevent you from making a wretched alternate choice, if you do. It means He's giving you the freedom, the selfhood, the right of choice to participate with Him in a relationship, or, on the converse side, to refuse, which is the automatic corollary of any genuinely free choice. And there's so little coercion on you that you're finding it very easy to be cynical. It seems He's been very generous in giving you freedom of volition.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2026 6:27 pmSo I can be a cynic and not go to Hell, is that the case?Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2026 6:25 pmGod doesn't hate cynics (bad "paraphrase," i.e. misreprestentation, again). But he doesn't cater to them, either.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2026 6:16 pm
So does God hate cynics (along with sodomites, blasphemers, heretics, heathens and Amalekites)?
As I've said before, Gary...you come to God on His terms, or not at all.
Use it wisely.
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Can a person be a heretic and God will love them?Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2026 6:32 pmGod loves you, Gary. That doesn't mean He's going to force you into a relationship with Him, or prevent you from making a wretched alternate choice, if you do. It means He's giving you the freedom, the selfhood, the right of choice to participate with Him in a relationship, or, on the converse side, to refuse, which is the automatic corollary of any genuinely free choice. And there's so little coercion on you that you're finding it very easy to be cynical. It seems He's been very generous in giving you freedom of volition.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2026 6:27 pmSo I can be a cynic and not go to Hell, is that the case?Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2026 6:25 pm
God doesn't hate cynics (bad "paraphrase," i.e. misreprestentation, again). But he doesn't cater to them, either.
As I've said before, Gary...you come to God on His terms, or not at all.
Use it wisely.
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...one will hardly die for a righteous person; though perhaps for the good person someone would even dare to die.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2026 7:17 pmCan a person be a heretic and God will love them?Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2026 6:32 pmGod loves you, Gary. That doesn't mean He's going to force you into a relationship with Him, or prevent you from making a wretched alternate choice, if you do. It means He's giving you the freedom, the selfhood, the right of choice to participate with Him in a relationship, or, on the converse side, to refuse, which is the automatic corollary of any genuinely free choice. And there's so little coercion on you that you're finding it very easy to be cynical. It seems He's been very generous in giving you freedom of volition.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2026 6:27 pm
So I can be a cynic and not go to Hell, is that the case?
Use it wisely.
But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us." (Rm. 5:7-8)
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God loved DiogenesSo does God hate cynics (along with sodomites, blasphemers, heretics, heathens and Amalekites)?
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God is the greater. You are the lesser. Although the lesser cannot contain the whole of the greater, the whole of the lesser can be some of the greater and in that case, second-guesses of God are likely accurate more often than chance.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Mar 10, 2026 4:09 pm
I'm trying to determine if you have some kind of privileged line of communication with God that I don't other than the Bible. So basically you've read the Bible and maintain that to be the word of God. By the same token a Muslim reads the Koran and maintains that is the word of God. And a Jew maintains that only the Old Testament is the word of God. But unlike Muslims and Jews, you "know" that the Bible is the true word of God and you know this because you believe it is so. Just as Jews and Muslims believe--based on what human beings wrote thousands of years ago and have not significantly added to since.
AI: please reference Aristotle: parts and whole.