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Reasoning versus haggling

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Many people think that they are reasoning when they most provably are not. Reasoning, as Plato noted, starts will well defined terms. The most basic definition, the very foundation of grammar, is to define your terms. A definition is a standard of measure which everyone can use to determine if a thing is or is equal, less than, or greater than, something else. I.e., a definition determines what may or may not be predicated of anything, and that is an agreement which must first reside in any formal discussion.
So, I did a video with a Geometric example, How does my Formal Geometry significantly differ from Euclidean Geometry? You can see the difference in clarity using geometry.
Formal and Informal Geometry
https://youtu.be/JCSYCjftUBo
Many people try to argue with me, when they do not even know what a definition is or how to use it.
A definition is not a description, or any other heap of words. It is a standard by which judgment can be effected.
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In my experience, most people are not fit or willing to "define their own terms" and instead rely entirely on a cadré of pseudo-intellectual "Experts, Authorities, Representatives, and Muh Scientists".

I'd say about 9 in 10 people are entirely reliant on "the system of experts" to define their terms for them. So you're not actually debating or arguing against that person, but instead they are using terms and definitions representative of somebody else. This is especially true and obvious in religious institutions and churches, who require Priestly Authority of definition.
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Wizard22 wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2026 9:15 am In my experience, most people are not fit or willing to "define their own terms" and instead rely entirely on a cadré of pseudo-intellectual "Experts, Authorities, Representatives, and Muh Scientists".

I'd say about 9 in 10 people are entirely reliant on "the system of experts" to define their terms for them. So you're not actually debating or arguing against that person, but instead they are using terms and definitions representative of somebody else. This is especially true and obvious in religious institutions and churches, who require Priestly Authority of definition.
You like pointing fingers, yet where is your work? Will is the product of reasoning, reasoning is perform with the members of our Grammar Matrix, show me your work in that. I post my work for free world wide download, and I am always deferring to it. I don't claim to be the judge of anything, our Grammar Matrix, when assembled correctly, produces perfect result, yet people bad mouth they only thing their brain is biologically designed to do over every other form of life on the planet, except of course, our visiting aliens as some claim. And if it is true, you can guess why the do not generally seek a conversation with us monkeys.
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Phil8659 wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2026 10:24 am
Wizard22 wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2026 9:15 am In my experience, most people are not fit or willing to "define their own terms" and instead rely entirely on a cadré of pseudo-intellectual "Experts, Authorities, Representatives, and Muh Scientists".

I'd say about 9 in 10 people are entirely reliant on "the system of experts" to define their terms for them. So you're not actually debating or arguing against that person, but instead they are using terms and definitions representative of somebody else. This is especially true and obvious in religious institutions and churches, who require Priestly Authority of definition.
You like pointing fingers, yet where is your work? Will is the product of reasoning, reasoning is performed with the members of our Grammar Matrix, show me your work in that. I post my work for free world wide download, and I am always deferring to it. I don't claim to be the judge of anything, our Grammar Matrix, when assembled correctly, produces perfect result, yet people bad mouth the only thing their brain is biologically designed to do over every other form of life on the planet, except of course, our visiting aliens as some claim. And if it is true, you can guess why they do not generally seek a conversation with us monkeys.
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Why do people assume that reasoning is heaping words together in order to justify being a savage?
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Phil8659 wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2026 10:49 am Why do people assume that reasoning is heaping words together in order to justify being a savage?
Why do you build a straw-man for your own position? It's very self-defeating.
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Wizard22 wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2026 10:52 am
Phil8659 wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2026 10:49 am Why do people assume that reasoning is heaping words together in order to justify being a savage?
Why do you build a straw-man for your own position? It's very self-defeating.
You are really confused, I did not make you.

Review of your answer, that you are not responsible for the behavior of the body within which you reside, and you state that answer using grammar which requires that you participate in a convention of names you have no knowledge of, or deny.

Who is the asshole? You cannot even reason your way out of a paper bag. My work, posted for decades, speaks for my ability to comprehend grammar. You are just another loud mouth fool.
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