US and Israel attack Iran

[phyllo]

US and Israel attack Iran in Operation Epic Fury.

Should be called Operation Epstein Fury Diversion.

When you are low in the polls, start a war. Always works?

[Gary Childress]

There are no words.

[FlashDangerpants]

He better be careful, FIFA might take that peace prize away.

[Gary Childress]

The famous Nick Fuentes is (from what I hear) disappointed that Trump is "not like Hitler". Now does that mean that Trump is "even" worse than Hitler (or perhaps marginally better) or does that mean Fuentes is as clueless as many of the rest of Trump's followers and former followers who seemed to think Hitler was a sterling model of political decency?

[Impenitent]

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/28/worl ... menei.html

it seems that the leaders of Iran have left the building

-Imp

[Maia]

There's no doubt that the Iranian regime is evil and should go, but the Americans hardly have a good track record when it comes to regime change. It's because they think they can do it quickly, then get out, but that never really works.

Predictably, Keir Starmer has hedged his bets, annoying our most important ally but in no way shielding us from any potential backlash.

I honestly don't know what to think about all this, and it's very tempting to just ignore it. I have a friend in Israel who has been emailing me and telling me how she and her family have been sheltering in their safe rooms for large chunks of the past two days. I hadn't even heard of safe rooms, but it takes no imagination to work out what they are.

For all our troubles here in the UK, and divisions, I still think we are very lucky, in most ways.

[Gary Childress]

There's no doubt that the Iranian regime is evil and should go, but the Americans hardly have a good track record when it comes to regime change. It's because they think they can do it quickly, then get out, but that never really works.

Predictably, Keir Starmer has hedged his bets, annoying our most important ally but in no way shielding us from any potential backlash.

I honestly don't know what to think about all this, and it's very tempting to just ignore it. I have a friend in Israel who has been emailing me and telling me how she and her family have been sheltering in their safe rooms for large chunks of the past two days. I hadn't even heard of safe rooms, but it takes no imagination to work out what they are.

For all our troubles here in the UK, and divisions, I still think we are very lucky, in most ways.

My country is a one trick pony. War, war, war. It's the only form of diplomacy we seem to know. If something needs fixing, then we bomb it. I hate being ashamed of my country. I wish I could feel pride in being an American. But we're no better than the Russians or Iranians.

[Maia]

There's no doubt that the Iranian regime is evil and should go, but the Americans hardly have a good track record when it comes to regime change. It's because they think they can do it quickly, then get out, but that never really works.

Predictably, Keir Starmer has hedged his bets, annoying our most important ally but in no way shielding us from any potential backlash.

I honestly don't know what to think about all this, and it's very tempting to just ignore it. I have a friend in Israel who has been emailing me and telling me how she and her family have been sheltering in their safe rooms for large chunks of the past two days. I hadn't even heard of safe rooms, but it takes no imagination to work out what they are.

For all our troubles here in the UK, and divisions, I still think we are very lucky, in most ways.

My country is a one trick pony. War, war, war. It's the only form of diplomacy we seem to know. If something needs fixing, then we bomb it. I hate being ashamed of my country. I wish I could feel pride in being an American. But we're no better than the Russians or Iranians.

I don't think the USA is any worse, and in most ways, is actually a lot better, than any other imperial power throughout history.

[puto]

“... People suppose that evil is something that you suffer rather than an act by humanity,” wrote Augustine of Hippo VII. iii (4)-v(7.)

[Gary Childress]

There's no doubt that the Iranian regime is evil and should go, but the Americans hardly have a good track record when it comes to regime change. It's because they think they can do it quickly, then get out, but that never really works.

Predictably, Keir Starmer has hedged his bets, annoying our most important ally but in no way shielding us from any potential backlash.

I honestly don't know what to think about all this, and it's very tempting to just ignore it. I have a friend in Israel who has been emailing me and telling me how she and her family have been sheltering in their safe rooms for large chunks of the past two days. I hadn't even heard of safe rooms, but it takes no imagination to work out what they are.

For all our troubles here in the UK, and divisions, I still think we are very lucky, in most ways.

My country is a one trick pony. War, war, war. It's the only form of diplomacy we seem to know. If something needs fixing, then we bomb it. I hate being ashamed of my country. I wish I could feel pride in being an American. But we're no better than the Russians or Iranians.

I don't think the USA is any worse, and in most ways, is actually a lot better, than any other imperial power throughout history.

I appreciate the sentiment. However, we could do better (ethically). A world full of nuclear weapons cannot afford military diplomacy and recklessness. Originally, our Constitution called for a vote from Congress in order to go to war. Now any single individual person who is elected President can instantly make that decision for all of us, whether we like it or not.

[puto]

USA has not been to war since WW II, Gary Childress that is an act of congress.

[Gary Childress]

USA has not been to war since WW II, Gary Childress that is an act of congress.

Then what should the events in Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, and Afghanistan (among others) be called?

[puto]

Conflicts.

[puto]

If self-defense is war, then realists are security. Self-defense is war. Realists are security. Ius ad bellum and Ius in bello are traditional requirements for Just War Theory. War is, "Organized violence carried out by political units against each other.":

[Gary Childress]

If self-defense is war, then realists are security. Self-defense is war. Realists are security. Ius ad bellum and Ius in bello are traditional requirements for Just War Theory. War is, "Organized violence carried out by political units against each other.":

So is the conflict in Ukraine simply Russian realists defending themselves against NATO? Is the Iranian threat to create nuclear weapons simply Iranian realists defending themselves against Israel? Are we not hypocrites? Or does might make right?