I don't want to be murdered

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There have been some doozies but this must surely get first prize for the most ridiculous thread title in the history of the forum.
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promethean75 wrote: Sat Nov 29, 2025 4:06 pm With proper ventilation systems kitchens don't usually get noticeably hotter than any other rooms. Just sayin.
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accelafine wrote: Fri Dec 05, 2025 11:10 am There have been some doozies but this must surely get first prize for the most ridiculous thread title in the history of the forum.
I titled the thread thus because I wanted to establish some common ground for the existence of moral beliefs. If everyone can agree to not wanting themselves to be murdered, then that seems as good a ground as any for the premise that thou shalt not murder" can be made into a universal societal law for people with or without the existence of a God.
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Gary Childress wrote: Fri Dec 05, 2025 1:49 pm I titled the thread thus because I wanted to establish some common ground for the existence of moral beliefs. If everyone can agree to not wanting themselves to be murdered, then that seems as good a ground as any for the premise that thou shalt not murder" can be made into a universal societal law for people with or without the existence of a God.
Essentially you are agreeing with Hillel that "Do not do to somebody else what you would not want done to you" <<is the whole law, the rest is commentary>> While Hillel presumably believed in God, notice he is not basing this on divine authority. The point here is that would not be just about killing/murder. You would not want your things stolen from you, you would not others to deceive you, etc. Can you think f a moral dictate you could NOT base on this principle?
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MikeNovack wrote: Fri Dec 05, 2025 2:17 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Fri Dec 05, 2025 1:49 pm I titled the thread thus because I wanted to establish some common ground for the existence of moral beliefs. If everyone can agree to not wanting themselves to be murdered, then that seems as good a ground as any for the premise that thou shalt not murder" can be made into a universal societal law for people with or without the existence of a God.
Essentially you are agreeing with Hillel that "Do not do to somebody else what you would not want done to you" <<is the whole law, the rest is commentary>> While Hillel presumably believed in God, notice he is not basing this on divine authority. The point here is that would not be just about killing/murder. You would not want your things stolen from you, you would not others to deceive you, etc. Can you think f a moral dictate you could NOT base on this principle?
I can't think of any right now. However, if someone else can, they are welcome to post their responses.
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Hudjefa wrote: Sat Nov 29, 2025 12:44 pm If you don't like the heat, don't go into the kitchen ~ Nomen Nescio
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Gary Childress wrote: Fri Dec 05, 2025 1:49 pm
accelafine wrote: Fri Dec 05, 2025 11:10 am There have been some doozies but this must surely get first prize for the most ridiculous thread title in the history of the forum.
I titled the thread thus because I wanted to establish some common ground for the existence of moral beliefs. If everyone can agree to not wanting themselves to be murdered, then that seems as good a ground as any for the premise that thou shalt not murder" can be made into a universal societal law for people with or without the existence of a God.
It sort of goes without saying. If you 'want' to be 'murdered' then that would essentially be suicide and the 'murder' would be 'assisted suicide'.
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Gary Childress wrote: Fri Dec 05, 2025 1:49 pm
accelafine wrote: Fri Dec 05, 2025 11:10 am There have been some doozies but this must surely get first prize for the most ridiculous thread title in the history of the forum.
I titled the thread thus because I wanted to establish some common ground for the existence of moral beliefs. If everyone can agree to not wanting themselves to be murdered, then that seems as good a ground as any for the premise that thou shalt not murder" can be made into a universal societal law for people with or without the existence of a God.
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Come on Spock, if you’ve got the answer then tell us!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRKz6QS5UYI

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