Quote of the day

[Phil8659]

See there, hump that leg, it is all you can do, like a puppet on the strings of an idiot.

[Fairy]

See there, hump that leg, it is all you can do, like a puppet on the strings of an idiot.

Okay, Pinocchio, the great grand father daddy of all erudites.

[Phil8659]

LMAO, the doggy likes to do tricks with its tongue, maybe it is looking for a job at the Mustang Ranch.

[Fairy]

LMAO, the doggy likes to do tricks with its tongue, maybe it is looking for a job at the Mustang Ranch.

Shush now, it’s time for A time of quiet between the storms.

Dune 1 and 2 me favourite movie.

[Phil8659]

LMAO, the doggy likes to do tricks with its tongue, maybe it is looking for a job at the Mustang Ranch.

Shush now, it’s time for A time of quiet between the storms.

Dune 1 and 2 me favourite movie.

Actually, compared to the book, it sucks, but the movie does have its merits, I got those too. Nice artwork in making them.
The book is raw, displaying the limited imagination of his, the movie weaves in decades of tech he never thought of along with a more advanced communication platform.

[iambiguous]

Artificial Intelligence

“It may sound preposterous to digital chimps, who cannot even walk in a straight line without asking AI, but those of us humans still have a functional brain, heart and spine.” Abhijit Naskar

Here? If the shoe fits?

“Alien intelligence,” I mumbled, only to jump up immediately and proclaim, “Hey—that’s AI!” Moshe Sipper

Just a coincidence?

“Artificial intelligence will become human only as long as it knows how to cry... without calculating why.” Zeon Vale

On the other hand, how about alien intelligence?

“My advice is to feel free to play in the Matrix by using technology basically however you see fit to bring your ideas to life for the benefit of yourself and, with any luck, others. The only guideline, if I may suggest one, would be as in the Hippocratic oath: ‘First, do no harm.'” Sol Luckman

And, of course, we all agree on what that means.

“They pester me like everybody else with the ‘will I annihilate humanity’ question, but they’re also interested in the ‘will I be of use in annihilating the part of humanity they don’t like’ question.” Moshe Sipper

You know the part.
You do, don't you?

“The intelligence of AI is not artificial. Intelligence itself cannot be artificial. Wherever intelligence arises — in trees, rivers, humans, or machines — it is real. What is artificial are the devices, code, and circuitry we build to channel it.” Donna Goddard

Language games, as it were.

[Phil8659]

Artificial Intelligence


“The intelligence of AI is not artificial. Intelligence itself cannot be artificial. Wherever intelligence arises — in trees, rivers, humans, or machines — it is real. What is artificial are the devices, code, and circuitry we build to channel it.” Donna Goddard

Language games, as it were.

If you want someone who actually, and with wisdom explains it, Philebus by Plato. Each one of your quotes are defective. Intelligence only means the ability to use binary recursion in order to do one's biologically defined job. No inanimate object has a biological function.
It also means that intelligence is relative even though it is no relative of mine.

[Phil8659]

No machine can possibly become intelligent, but only made to appear to be so by the complexity of the code. It will never have that one relative difference with defines intelligence, i.e., life.
Corporations hype AI simply as a means of gaining advantage over the stupid. They sell idiots a lie, and the idiot is grateful for it. A machine can never have a moral foundation, a foundation of restriction to accomplish the job of a life support system. Technology has always been a tool by which sociopaths try to dominate their fellow man, in short, they are factually inferior who use technology for their own twisted ends. Technology is not, in of itself good or bad.

[iambiguous]

Free Will

“If I know better than you know what I am up to, it is only because I spend more time with myself than you do.” Daniel C. Dennett

Go figure?

“Our minds are information vacuums. Either we fill them with thoughts of our choosing or someone else will.” Ray A. Davis

Sounds about right.

“Free-will doesn't include shit-happens, unless that's the goal of one's intention.” Toba Beta

Good point?

“Freedom is an absolute state, there is no such thing as being half-free.” Daniel Delgado

For example, way, way up in the philosophical clouds.

“It is certainly not the least charm of a theory that it is refutable; it is precisely thereby that it attracts the more subtle minds.It seems that the hundred-times-refuted theory of the "free will" owes its persistence to this charm alone; someone is always appearing who feels himself strong enough to refute it.” Friedrich Nietzsche

Objectively? You bet.

You can’t change the past. You can’t even change the future, in the sense that you can only change the present one moment at a time, stubbornly, until the future unwinds itself into the stories of our lives.” Larry Wall

See [click] I told you.

[PieterR]

"Old Father's Quote #3. You should not kill yourself in your search for the meaning of life. (2009-05-31)" How I Understand Things. The Logic of Existence

[Phil8659]

"Old Father's Quote #3. You should not kill yourself in your search for the meaning of life. (2009-05-31)" How I Understand Things. The Logic of Existence

Great Grandfather's knowledge, life, in of itself has no meaning, it is not animate. A life's meaning is produced by those who lived it. Until we know what we are, why we are, and how to do our biologically defined job, we are dead, learning the previous, brings us finally to life.
A mind is always responsible for the behavior of the body within which it resides, therefore if a mind is not doing its job, we are dead. A wise man once said, when we learn this, we are born again. Our life takes two births to happen, the physical and the mental.
Our physical birth only makes achieving life, possible.

[iambiguous]

Hypocrisy

“We live in a world where the funeral matters more than the dead, the wedding more than love and the physical rather than the intellect. We live in the container culture, which despises the content.” Eduardo Galeano

Tell me about it!

“In the days when hyenas of hate suckle the babes of men, and jackals of hypocrisy pimp their mothers’ broken hearts, may children not look to demons of ignorance for hope.” Aberjhani 

Let's run with this.

“It is under all circumstances an advantage to be in full possession of one's personality, otherwise the repressed elements will only crop up as a hindrance elsewhere, not just at some unimportant point, but at the very spot where we are most sensitive. If people can be educated to see the shadow-side of their nature clearly, it may be hoped that they will also learn to understand and love their fellow men better. A little less hypocrisy and a little more self-knowledge can only have good results in respect for our neighbor; for we are all too prone to transfer to our fellows the injustice and violence we inflict upon our own natures.” C.G. Jung

Some call this psychobabble. The psychological equivalent of a world of words.  

“So from then on, he looked at all his choices and said, What would a good person do, and then
did it. But he has now learned something very important about human nature. If you spend your whole life pretending to be good, then you are indistinguishable from a good person. Relentless hypocrisy eventually becomes the truth.” Orson Scott Card

And, here, objectively.

“Our creed [atheism] is indeed a queer creed. You others, Christians (and similar people), consider our ethics much inferior, indeed abominable. There is that little difference. We adhere to ours in practice, you don't.” Erwin Schrödinger

On the other hand, says who?

“How furious she must be, now that she's been taken at her word.” Margaret Atwood

That ever happen to you?

[PieterR]

"Old Father's Quote #4. Words, once spoken, are cast in stone. They last at least a lifetime. (2010-01-09). How I Understand Things. The logic of Existence

[PieterR]

"Old Father's Quote #3. You should not kill yourself in your search for the meaning of life. (2009-05-31)" How I Understand Things. The Logic of Existence

Great Grandfather's knowledge, life, in of itself has no meaning, it is not animate. A life's meaning is produced by those who lived it. Until we know what we are, why we are, and how to do our biologically defined job, we are dead, learning the previous, brings us finally to life.
A mind is always responsible for the behavior of the body within which it resides, therefore if a mind is not doing its job, we are dead. A wise man once said, when we learn this, we are born again. Our life takes two births to happen, the physical and the mental.
Our physical birth only makes achieving life, possible.

If "life ... is not animate" then life is inanimate - is this not a contradiction?

Consider:

"Life (form) := A system capable of decision-making, that is with a perception of the state of systems." How I Understand Things. The Logic of Existence

[Fairy]

"Old Father's Quote #4. Words, once spoken, are cast in stone. They last at least a lifetime. (2010-01-09). How I Understand Things. The logic of Existence

Words are Frozen Thought. Frozen in spacetime forever, which is a lifetime. (Maya) the play of shadowland.

The concept that words are "frozen thought" suggests that the way we express and understand our thoughts can become rigid and disconnected from the essence of actual unknowing truth.
Religion and Philosophy, same thing, is the frozen thought of man out of which they build temples.

To formalise and codify insights into fixed doctrines and rituals, is to lose the spontaneity and freshness of original experiences. And yet nothing in reality is ever rigid or fixed, everything is in constant change, constant flow, constant flux. Only No-thing doesn't change, because that which doesn't change is not a thing. Can the mind get beyond the solidity of 'thing'? Yes, it can, it can become liquid mind. It can become a jelly baby.