The Apple Tree

[Fairy]

Apple trees bear apples not trees. So the question is... Is the tree an apple, or is the apple a tree?

When does an apple stop being an apple and morphs into a tree, and when does a tree stop being a tree and morphs into an apple?

[Impenitent]

the apples themselves contain the seeds

-Imp

[Fairy]

the apples themselves contain the seeds

-Imp

Is an apple a fixed thing, can an apple be defined?

[Fairy]

the apples themselves contain the seeds

-Imp

The apple contains the seeds of a tree that bears more apples. But the apples are inseparable from the tree.
So what is an apple, is it a tree or an apple? Or is there simply just appletree as one thing?

[Impenitent]

some like golden delicious, some prefer Newton's noggin' knockers...

-Imp

[Fairy]

some like golden delicious, some prefer Newton's noggin' knockers...

-Imp

Haha, coincidentally, I used to say that exact same thing ‘Noggin knockers’ to my kids when they were little.

[Fairy]

the apples themselves contain the seeds

-Imp

So there’s no definable distinction between an apple and a tree, they’re both the same seed, so to speak, there’s no where the apple starts and the tree ends, or the tree starts and the apple ends, the seed is just one unified whole without beginning or end.

[Age]

the apples themselves contain the seeds

-Imp

So there’s no definable distinction between an apple and a tree, they’re both the same seed, so to speak, there’s no where the apple starts and the tree ends, or the tree starts and the apple ends, the seed is just one unified whole without beginning or end.

The same with absolutely every other, apparent, separation the so-called 'definable distinction' is made up, by you human beings, by, and with, 'your very own definitions', themselves.

'Distinction', itself, only exits because of words, and 'their definitions'. Which also explains what came first. Whether the chicken or the egg came first all depends on when you human beings want to define as what came first, the chicken or the egg?

Just like, what came first, the labradoodle, or the labradoodle pup? The answer is with your human being very own definitions.

'Definable distinction' are, literally, within 'your words', and, 'your definitions'.

[accelafine]

The apple is the tree's ovary. But as usual there's no way of know exactly what you are asking. I'm sure it makes sense in your head. Shame about everyone else's

[Fairy]

The apple is the tree's ovary. But as usual there's no way of know exactly what you are asking. I'm sure it makes sense in your head. Shame about everyone else's

I'm pondering the nature of my existence, by talking to the idea there is real person pondering it's existence, using the appletree as an example. Using the appletree to ask myself, the self I think exists, where does the self begin and does it have an end..

I'm posting this information to a forum, where it can be read and understood to be read by the same one reader, namely, the awareness that is aware of these words on a computer screen, asking also, is the computer screen a forum, or is the forum a computer screen?

As awareness, please feel free to ponder on what exactly are you are seeing here in the form of words. Are words actually real. Hope this clears things up a bit for the rolling eye looking on.

[Fairy]

'Distinction', itself, only exits because of words, and 'their definitions'. Which also explains what came first. Whether the chicken or the egg came first all depends on when you human beings want to define as what came first, the chicken or the egg?

Just like, what came first, the labradoodle, or the labradoodle pup? The answer is with your human being very own definitions.

'Definable distinction' are, literally, within 'your words', and, 'your definitions'.

The chicken and the egg being concepts known, arise both together as they are written, as words only. Both words are appearing now on the screen of awareness, obviously known as concepts.

I don't think a definition can ever be a fixed concept, can it. We humans are trying to define what can never be a fixed concept, but in our mind, an apple is not a tree, and so we believe the two things, apple and tree are separate, but they are not separate as demonstrated in this post, hopefully.

A concept can't be defined as a fixed thing separate from every thing else, as every thing is ever-changing, like one can never step in the same river twice. Nor can we know what's going to happen next, because knowing before you know will alter the way things are actually happening without any knowing added on...therefore, knowledge is only available on demand, which is after what has happened, never before. Knowledge that has already past to memory, which is dead, and so cannot be of any rational relevance to the unknown aliveness that is the ever present unknown now that is a constant continuity that can't be known, rather, only the projection of a past and future is known, as it arises and falls in the mind, that is being observed by the ever present unchanging unborn unwritten present.

[Fairy]

Response from A.I. the Information Carrier. When asked if the ATOM was the seed of LIFE

The Seed of Life is a significant symbol in sacred geometry, representing the interconnectedness of all life and the foundational principles of creation. It consists of seven overlapping circles, each symbolizing a stage of creation, and is considered a blueprint for the universe, similar to the Flower of Life. This symbol has been used across various cultures and religions, often associated with concepts of unity, creation, and the divine plan. Thus, while the term "atom" is not explicitly mentioned in the context of the Seed of Life, it can be inferred that the Seed of Life embodies the essence of the atom as a fundamental building block of life and creation.


The Bible does not explicitly mention the atom, but it does explore the concept of creation and the fundamental building blocks of the universe.
Genesis 1:1 states, "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth," which sets the stage for understanding the universe as a product of divine order.

Colossians 1:16-17 emphasizes that "all things were created through Him and for Him," suggesting a connection to the atomic structure of matter.

While the Bible does not provide a scientific explanation of atoms, it encourages the pursuit of knowledge and understanding of God's creation, reflecting the complexity and order found in atomic structures.

[Fairy]

The question of whether God is an atom is complex and subjective, often explored in philosophical and theological contexts.
Some interpretations suggest that God could be considered an atom, as atoms are the fundamental building blocks of matter, and God is often viewed as the ultimate creator and source of all existence.

However, many scientists and philosophers argue that God is not an atom, as atoms are physical entities that can be observed and interacted with, while God's existence is often described as metaphysical and non-physical.

The concept of "God Atom" is not a formal scientific term, and its implications are debated among scholars.

Ultimately, the question of whether God is an atom reflects deeper philosophical questions about the nature of reality, existence, and the relationship between the divine and the material world.


Thus, the answer varies based on individual beliefs and interpretations.

[Age]

'Distinction', itself, only exits because of words, and 'their definitions'. Which also explains what came first. Whether the chicken or the egg came first all depends on when you human beings want to define as what came first, the chicken or the egg?

Just like, what came first, the labradoodle, or the labradoodle pup? The answer is with your human being very own definitions.

'Definable distinction' are, literally, within 'your words', and, 'your definitions'.

The chicken and the egg being concepts known, arise both together as they are written, as words only. Both words are appearing now on the screen of awareness, obviously known as concepts.

I don't think a definition can ever be a fixed concept, can it.

I do not know of any one who would have ever thought it canbe, let alone asking if it can be.

We humans are trying to define what can never be a fixed concept, but in our mind, an apple is not a tree, and so we believe the two things, apple and tree are separate, but they are not separate as demonstrated in this post, hopefully.

1. you human beings do not have 'your mind'.

2. Once more, the reason why you human beings, in the days when this is being written, are, still, so, so far behind is because you believe things. So, I will again suggest that you human beings obtain the actual Truth before you believe, or assume, absolutely any thing.

A concept can't be defined as a fixed thing separate from every thing else, as every thing is ever-changing, like one can never step in the same river twice.

No one that I know of has said otherwise.

Why do you keep introducing things and 'argue' against them, like others think or are saying 'those things'?

Nor can we know what's going to happen next, because knowing before you know will alter the way things are actually happening without any knowing added on...therefore, knowledge is only available on demand, which is after what has happened, never before.

If you say so, then okay.

Knowledge that has already past to memory, which is dead, and so cannot be of any rational relevance to the unknown aliveness that is the ever present unknown now that is a constant continuity that can't be known, rather, only the projection of a past and future is known, as it arises and falls in the mind, that is being observed by the ever present unchanging unborn unwritten present.

But, all of 'this' is already known.

Well by some of 'us', here, anyway.

[Fairy]

I don't think a definition can ever be a fixed concept, can it.

I do not know of any one who would have ever thought it canbe, let alone asking if it can be.

What I mean by fixed, for example, the concept 'human being' is fixed. Fixed as a human being, and never anything else. The human being is not any thing else, so it is seen as a fixed thing. That's what I mean by fixed. But on deeper inspection, it can also be seen as a nebulous concept, throwing the fixed concept right out of our capacity to make sense and reason rationally, through a deeper inspection, it can be seen that the human rationality very quickly turns into human irrationality.

So, I will again suggest that you human beings obtain the actual Truth before you believe, or assume, absolutely any thing.

But all of 'this' is already known.

A concept can't be defined as a fixed thing separate from every thing else, as every thing is ever-changing, like one can never step in the same river twice.

No one that I know of has said otherwise.

Except as believed.

Why do you keep introducing things and 'argue' against them, like others think or are saying 'those things'?

Who you talking to? see, you're imagining there is a you there, and a me here. That's the dual nature of the one mind, every other thing appears in this one mind.

But, all of 'this' is already known.

Well by some of 'us', here, anyway.

By all of us actually, all of us is the knowing that cannot be known. Some of us is a relative idea, which knows nothing of the absolute all because the all is all there is, which is the all knowing all.

Why assume some of don't know. You cannot know what others know.