Philosophy of Mind

[Darkneos]

Care, in describing nature, is a misnomer; nature is unaware of the blight of its creatures. Basically, it is systems within systems, and all systems are relational processes. The term cause and effect is misleading, from which one might infer that cause and effect are linear; they are not. One cause can have many effects/reactions, and those reactions, in turn, become causes; reality is reciprocal causation. Through this reciprocal causation, we resonate with the whole; we belong. We are nodes in the sphere of our Earth, as it reciprocates as cause to us.

Nope, cause and effect is linear, just because there are multiples of it doesn't change that. Reality isn't always reciprocal and "care" when describing nature isn't a misnomer nor is cause and effect misleading. But this is a post by you so I'm expecting flawed reasoning.

We don't resonate with the whole, we don't even know for sure there is a whole. Nor are we nodes in the sphere of our Earth. Far as anyone knows they are the sole cause of it all (problem of solipsism and all that). As usual another incorrect post by you.

Darkness, 'linear' as used by Popeye refers to simple causal chains through time. Popeye's point with which I agree is that besides simple causal chains there are causal circumstances, such as weather or pandemic , which have a widespread effect.
There are also laws of science which are not simple causal chains or variations in weather or viral storms, but which cause effects always and unceasingly.

That's still a chain even if it is a bunch of them happening at once which is what I meant. They however didn't mean it in the way you did. Even circumstances like weather or a pandemic are the result of events that build up to them.

So ultimately it is just a simple chain, there's just lots of them.

[Age]

Nope, cause and effect is linear, just because there are multiples of it doesn't change that. Reality isn't always reciprocal and "care" when describing nature isn't a misnomer nor is cause and effect misleading. But this is a post by you so I'm expecting flawed reasoning.

We don't resonate with the whole, we don't even know for sure there is a whole. Nor are we nodes in the sphere of our Earth. Far as anyone knows they are the sole cause of it all (problem of solipsism and all that). As usual another incorrect post by you.

Darkness, 'linear' as used by Popeye refers to simple causal chains through time. Popeye's point with which I agree is that besides simple causal chains there are causal circumstances, such as weather or pandemic , which have a widespread effect.
There are also laws of science which are not simple causal chains or variations in weather or viral storms, but which cause effects always and unceasingly.

That's still a chain even if it is a bunch of them happening at once which is what I meant. They however didn't mean it in the way you did. Even circumstances like weather or a pandemic are the result of events that build up to them.

So ultimately it is just a simple chain, there's just lots of them.

How could there be 'lots of' chains'?

What you are saying, here, would imply that there are 'lots of 'starts' of these 'lots of chains'. Unless, of course, they are all 'linked together'. Which would then mean that 'they' are, actually, all One. Therefore, not 'lots of, separate, chains' at all.

[Darkneos]

Darkness, 'linear' as used by Popeye refers to simple causal chains through time. Popeye's point with which I agree is that besides simple causal chains there are causal circumstances, such as weather or pandemic , which have a widespread effect.
There are also laws of science which are not simple causal chains or variations in weather or viral storms, but which cause effects always and unceasingly.

That's still a chain even if it is a bunch of them happening at once which is what I meant. They however didn't mean it in the way you did. Even circumstances like weather or a pandemic are the result of events that build up to them.

So ultimately it is just a simple chain, there's just lots of them.

How could there be 'lots of' chains'?

What you are saying, here, would imply that there are 'lots of 'starts' of these 'lots of chains'. Unless, of course, they are all 'linked together'. Which would then mean that 'they' are, actually, all One. Therefore, not 'lots of, separate, chains' at all.

Nope, they aren't all One and there are lots of starts and chains. There are all separate chains, there is no such thing as Oneness. But then again this is you posting so...

[Age]

That's still a chain even if it is a bunch of them happening at once which is what I meant. They however didn't mean it in the way you did. Even circumstances like weather or a pandemic are the result of events that build up to them.

So ultimately it is just a simple chain, there's just lots of them.

How could there be 'lots of' chains'?

What you are saying, here, would imply that there are 'lots of 'starts' of these 'lots of chains'. Unless, of course, they are all 'linked together'. Which would then mean that 'they' are, actually, all One. Therefore, not 'lots of, separate, chains' at all.

Nope, they aren't all One and there are lots of starts and chains.

So, you, really, are 'trying to' imply that there are lots of separate chains, all with there own unique and individual starts/beginnings.

Therefore, let 'us' begin,

1. Will you provide examples of these claimed 'separate beginnings'?

If no, then why not?

2. How can some thing begin from which absolutely nothing has caused it?

There are all separate chains, there is no such thing as Oneness.

Look, you are absolutely free to assume and believe absolutely any thing that you like to, but only what you can prove is actually True, and Right, is what is really important, here, in this philosophy forum.

So, 'we' await your replies to my clarifying questions above, here.

But then again this is you posting so...

i have no idea nor clue as to what 'it' is that you are referring to, here.

[Darkneos]

How could there be 'lots of' chains'?

What you are saying, here, would imply that there are 'lots of 'starts' of these 'lots of chains'. Unless, of course, they are all 'linked together'. Which would then mean that 'they' are, actually, all One. Therefore, not 'lots of, separate, chains' at all.

Nope, they aren't all One and there are lots of starts and chains.

So, you, really, are 'trying to' imply that there are lots of separate chains, all with there own unique and individual starts/beginnings.

Therefore, let 'us' begin,

1. Will you provide examples of these claimed 'separate beginnings'?

If no, then why not?

2. How can some thing begin from which absolutely nothing has caused it?

There are all separate chains, there is no such thing as Oneness.

Look, you are absolutely free to assume and believe absolutely any thing that you like to, but only what you can prove is actually True, and Right, is what is really important, here, in this philosophy forum.

So, 'we' await your replies to my clarifying questions above, here.

But then again this is you posting so...

i have no idea nor clue as to what 'it' is that you are referring to, here.

The irony of you talking about what is "True and Right" is not lost on anyone.

You're not worth engaging with, but suffice to say there are separate beginnings and chains. You're free to believe what you will.

[Age]

Nope, they aren't all One and there are lots of starts and chains.

So, you, really, are 'trying to' imply that there are lots of separate chains, all with there own unique and individual starts/beginnings.

Therefore, let 'us' begin,

1. Will you provide examples of these claimed 'separate beginnings'?

If no, then why not?

2. How can some thing begin from which absolutely nothing has caused it?

There are all separate chains, there is no such thing as Oneness.

Look, you are absolutely free to assume and believe absolutely any thing that you like to, but only what you can prove is actually True, and Right, is what is really important, here, in this philosophy forum.

So, 'we' await your replies to my clarifying questions above, here.

But then again this is you posting so...

i have no idea nor clue as to what 'it' is that you are referring to, here.

The irony of you talking about what is "True and Right" is not lost on anyone.

Really?

One might suggest that it has been lost on, and in, all of you human beings, here.

Considering where what is actually True, and Right, in Life, is withheld, just maybe it is people like you "darkneos" who have been completely and utterly, and literally, 'missing the mark', here.

You're not worth engaging with,

Once again, when one has absolutely nothing at all that could even begin to back up and support 'their belief and claim' they 'run away and hide', as some call it.

but suffice to say there are separate beginnings and chains.

Where, exactly?

Why do you not produce absolutely any thing, for 'us' to 'look at', and 'see'?

Imagine believing some thing is absolutely true, but when questioned to produce absolutely any thing that could back up and support 'your belief' you have absolutely nothing at all.

You're free to believe what you will.

Yes I am, but unlike you I do not. For the reasons that I have already given.

Also, thank you for copying more or less, exactly, what I just told you.

Now, you can not even produce just one little miserable example for 'your belief', here.

Which is further proof that once people believe some thing is true, even when there is absolutely no proof at all for that belief, they will, still, laughably, believe 'it' is true, while also not being open, at all, to any thing opposing or against 'that belief'.

So, once more 'these posters', here, are proving my claims True, Right, Accurate, and Correct, all the time.

[Darkneos]

Which is further proof that once people believe some thing is true, even when there is absolutely no proof at all for that belief, they will, still, laughably, believe 'it' is true, while also not being open, at all, to any thing opposing or against 'that belief'.

So, once more 'these posters', here, are proving my claims True, Right, Accurate, and Correct, all the time.

The irony would be delicious if it weren't so hilarious.

[Darkneos]

So, you, really, are 'trying to' imply that there are lots of separate chains, all with there own unique and individual starts/beginnings.

Therefore, let 'us' begin,

1. Will you provide examples of these claimed 'separate beginnings'?

If no, then why not?

2. How can some thing begin from which absolutely nothing has caused it?


Look, you are absolutely free to assume and believe absolutely any thing that you like to, but only what you can prove is actually True, and Right, is what is really important, here, in this philosophy forum.

So, 'we' await your replies to my clarifying questions above, here.


i have no idea nor clue as to what 'it' is that you are referring to, here.

The irony of you talking about what is "True and Right" is not lost on anyone.

Really?

One might suggest that it has been lost on, and in, all of you human beings, here.

Considering where what is actually True, and Right, in Life, is withheld, just maybe it is people like you "darkneos" who have been completely and utterly, and literally, 'missing the mark', here.

You're not worth engaging with,

Once again, when one has absolutely nothing at all that could even begin to back up and support 'their belief and claim' they 'run away and hide', as some call it.

but suffice to say there are separate beginnings and chains.

Where, exactly?

Why do you not produce absolutely any thing, for 'us' to 'look at', and 'see'?

Imagine believing some thing is absolutely true, but when questioned to produce absolutely any thing that could back up and support 'your belief' you have absolutely nothing at all.

You're free to believe what you will.

Yes I am, but unlike you I do not. For the reasons that I have already given.

Also, thank you for copying more or less, exactly, what I just told you.

Now, you can not even produce just one little miserable example for 'your belief', here.

Which is further proof that once people believe some thing is true, even when there is absolutely no proof at all for that belief, they will, still, laughably, believe 'it' is true, while also not being open, at all, to any thing opposing or against 'that belief'.

So, once more 'these posters', here, are proving my claims True, Right, Accurate, and Correct, all the time.

Believe what you wish, given your post history there is no reason to really regard you.

[Age]

Which is further proof that once people believe some thing is true, even when there is absolutely no proof at all for that belief, they will, still, laughably, believe 'it' is true, while also not being open, at all, to any thing opposing or against 'that belief'.

So, once more 'these posters', here, are proving my claims True, Right, Accurate, and Correct, all the time.

The irony would be delicious if it weren't so hilarious.

Really?

Do you even have the capability to expand and elaborate?

If yes, then will you?

If no, then why not?

[Age]

The irony of you talking about what is "True and Right" is not lost on anyone.

Really?

One might suggest that it has been lost on, and in, all of you human beings, here.

Considering where what is actually True, and Right, in Life, is withheld, just maybe it is people like you "darkneos" who have been completely and utterly, and literally, 'missing the mark', here.

You're not worth engaging with,

Once again, when one has absolutely nothing at all that could even begin to back up and support 'their belief and claim' they 'run away and hide', as some call it.

but suffice to say there are separate beginnings and chains.

Where, exactly?

Why do you not produce absolutely any thing, for 'us' to 'look at', and 'see'?

Imagine believing some thing is absolutely true, but when questioned to produce absolutely any thing that could back up and support 'your belief' you have absolutely nothing at all.

You're free to believe what you will.

Yes I am, but unlike you I do not. For the reasons that I have already given.

Also, thank you for copying more or less, exactly, what I just told you.

Now, you can not even produce just one little miserable example for 'your belief', here.

Which is further proof that once people believe some thing is true, even when there is absolutely no proof at all for that belief, they will, still, laughably, believe 'it' is true, while also not being open, at all, to any thing opposing or against 'that belief'.

So, once more 'these posters', here, are proving my claims True, Right, Accurate, and Correct, all the time.

Believe what you wish, given your post history there is no reason to really regard you.

Some of 'these people' came up with the lamest of excuses for their obvious absolute lack of ability to back up and support their claims.

LOL Imagine you believe that there are 'lots of' different beginnings and starts, in the Universe, but you do not even have the ability to think of and present just one example, only.

[Age]

The very reason why "darkneos" can not provide just one example is because there are no examples at all.

[Darkneos]

The very reason why "darkneos" can not provide just one example is because there are no examples at all.

There are but it wouldn't matter to folks like you, learned that lesson. I've also learned this forum is filled with nutbars too...

Though some free advice, everything being connected doesn't make it "One" necessarily.

[Age]

The very reason why "darkneos" can not provide just one example is because there are no examples at all.

There are but it wouldn't matter to folks like you, learned that lesson.

'We' have, once more, 'another one' who uses this lamest of excuses.

LOL That is, 'There is an example but I am not going to provide it,' excuse.

Look "darkneos" there are no examples at all.

Which, by the way, you keep proving absolutely True, here, for me.

I've also learned this forum is filled with nutbars too...

Once again, 'we' have 'another one' who can not back up and support its beliefs and its claim in absolutely any way, at all, but it is, supposedly, 'the others' who are the so-called 'nutbars'.

Though some free advice, everything being connected doesn't make it "One" necessarily.

If you could, and did, provide some examples to 'look at', then 'we' might be able to 'see' how absolutely every thing being connected, as One, supposedly and allegedly, does not make it 'One' necessarily.

However, because you can not provide absolutely any thing to 'look at', here, this means that there are no beginnings, nor starts, anywhere, here. Therefore, every thing is actually linked and connected together, and because every thing is linked together this then means that 'that link' is all things are together, as One.

Thus, it is necessarily that 'that connection' makes every thing come-together, literally, as the One, Everything.

Now, just because you believe otherwise does not necessarily mean 'it' is, nor does it make 'it' so.

There are no examples of separation, nor starts, in chains, anywhere. And, your inability to provide absolutely any examples, here, is only helping 'me' in proving 'this' irrefutably True, and Right.

[Age]

Xxx

[Darkneos]

The very reason why "darkneos" can not provide just one example is because there are no examples at all.

There are but it wouldn't matter to folks like you, learned that lesson.

'We' have, once more, 'another one' who uses this lamest of excuses.

LOL That is, 'There is an example but I am not going to provide it,' excuse.

Look "darkneos" there are no examples at all.

Which, by the way, you keep proving absolutely True, here, for me.

I've also learned this forum is filled with nutbars too...

Once again, 'we' have 'another one' who can not back up and support its beliefs and its claim in absolutely any way, at all, but it is, supposedly, 'the others' who are the so-called 'nutbars'.

Though some free advice, everything being connected doesn't make it "One" necessarily.

If you could, and did, provide some examples to 'look at', then 'we' might be able to 'see' how absolutely every thing being connected, as One, supposedly and allegedly, does not make it 'One' necessarily.

However, because you can not provide absolutely any thing to 'look at', here, this means that there are no beginnings, nor starts, anywhere, here. Therefore, every thing is actually linked and connected together, and because every thing is linked together this then means that 'that link' is all things are together, as One.

Thus, it is necessarily that 'that connection' makes every thing come-together, literally, as the One, Everything.

Now, just because you believe otherwise does not necessarily mean 'it' is, nor does it make 'it' so.

There are no examples of separation, nor starts, in chains, anywhere. And, your inability to provide absolutely any examples, here, is only helping 'me' in proving 'this' irrefutably True, and Right.

Flawed logic, like I said just because things are linked doesn't make them "one" (think or meditate on that and you'll see). Nor is it "necessarily" either. if I wanted to be cheeky I'd say that there are no "links" or "connections" because those are just projections we put on reality (that includes "oneness"). Like I said, there is no point in reasoning with you because you'll believe what you want.

I know because I tried the same argument in a Buddhist forum and was proven wrong, everything isn't "One" but it's not "two" either. But I already gave this more engagement than it deserves...

You're already a known nutbar so I should learn better by now than to engage. Nothing you say is "true" or "right" but folks know better than to engage with a brick wall...