Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Nov 09, 2025 11:42 pmNot at all. My country has never been Socialist. The most you could say is that it's been broadly a "capitalist" country with a few social programs that are bankrupting it; but you couldn't ever call it Socialist, because Socialism has never been in control of the means of production, which is its fundamental goal, if you know the theory.accelafine wrote: ↑Sun Nov 09, 2025 11:33 pmWell you've been enjoying the fruits of a so-called 'socialist' country your whole life apparently.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Nov 09, 2025 11:16 pm
It's funny how you call a reasoned and historically accurate description of Socialism "kneejerk."![]()
Socialism has a 100% record of failure, and a disastrous record of hundreds of millions of abused, plundered, tortured, exiled and murdered. NOTHING has a worse record, in all of human history. And that's what you want?![]()
Tell that to the Dems...and their friends at Blackrock, Amazon, etc. They don't seem to have gotten that message from you.
There are just no serious discussions of fixing the climate that do not begin with the words, "China and India." If China and India don't fix their situations, nothing anybody else does will matter a fig. That's reality.
Socialist countries, historically, have LOW standards of living, and a high rate of death. And they don't just "tax," but actively attack the whole concept of private property as well.
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Here’s the Democratic Socialists of America’s demands to Zohran Mamdani for how to lead an Israel-hating NYC
https://nypost.com/2025/11/08/us-news/h ... hating-nyc
“Well at least the DSA mask is off,” said state Assemblyman Kalman Yeger, a conservative Brooklyn Democrat and Orthodox Jew. “This was never about affordability, free buses or anything else. This was always about Jew hatred.
https://nypost.com/2025/11/08/us-news/h ... hating-nyc
“Well at least the DSA mask is off,” said state Assemblyman Kalman Yeger, a conservative Brooklyn Democrat and Orthodox Jew. “This was never about affordability, free buses or anything else. This was always about Jew hatred.
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This checklist for front man Zohran, the new mayor of New York, will make for a busy morning.
Just skip the red tape, declare an emergency (the children are starving), and assert emergency powers.
All the necessary documents should be in a row on his first day on the job, to start with the legal signatures.
Get 'er done and let the lawyers fight for a few years until it's a done deal, which was the Democrat's tactic used for opening the border. Why give up the winning formula?
https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/s ... &strip=all
This checklist for front man Zohran, the new mayor of New York, will make for a busy morning.
Just skip the red tape, declare an emergency (the children are starving), and assert emergency powers.
All the necessary documents should be in a row on his first day on the job, to start with the legal signatures.
Get 'er done and let the lawyers fight for a few years until it's a done deal, which was the Democrat's tactic used for opening the border. Why give up the winning formula?
https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/s ... &strip=all
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Notice and see how "immanuel can" will twist things around and 'try to' manipulate the readers into believing some thing that was never even said nor meant, was what was meant.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Nov 09, 2025 11:16 pmIt's funny how you call a reasoned and historically accurate description of Socialism "kneejerk."Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sun Nov 09, 2025 6:00 pm The knee jerk opposition to socialism is noteworthy.![]()
Socialism has a 100% record of failure, and a disastrous record of hundreds of millions of abused, plundered, tortured, exiled and murdered. NOTHING has a worse record, in all of human history. And that's what you want?![]()
LOL Why only has "one-side", of a two party agreed upon capitalist system, supposedly aligned "themselves" with profit driven companies, here?Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Nov 09, 2025 11:16 pmI don't see the myopic views of corporations driven by near term profit saving the world from anything.
Tell that to the Dems...and their friends at Blackrock, Amazon, etc. They don't seem to have gotten that message from you.
Is it not obvious to absolutely every one, here, that profit driven companies are what is wanted by so-called "both sides"?
And, once again, since "adam" blamed "eve" for his own Wrong doing, "men" like "immanuel can" will 'try to' justify and/or blame someone else for their own Wrong doing.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Nov 09, 2025 11:16 pmThere are just no serious discussions of fixing the climate that do not begin with the words, "China and India." If China and India don't fix their situations, nothing anybody else does will matter a fig.Profit is driving us toward environmental destruction.
LOL "immanuel can", here, is 'trying to' argue and fight that it is perfectly fine and okay that if others continue to do wrong, then so to can "immanuel can".
That may well be your own personal reality "immanuel can", but it certainly is not Reality, Itself.
you adult human beings who seek monetary gains and profits are obviously driving the destruction of the actual environment, which 'you', and future, human beings actually need for your continued survival.
And, there is not a single thing that you could say that could refute this irrefutable Fact. Now, that is Reality, "immanuel can".
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So the social programs are "bankrupting" the country? If they took away the social programs and let the poor just die on the roadsides, would that be preferable?Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Nov 09, 2025 11:42 pmNot at all. My country has never been Socialist. The most you could say is that it's been broadly a "capitalist" country with a few social programs that are bankrupting it; but you couldn't ever call it Socialist, because Socialism has never been in control of the means of production, which is its fundamental goal, if you know the theory.accelafine wrote: ↑Sun Nov 09, 2025 11:33 pmWell you've been enjoying the fruits of a so-called 'socialist' country your whole life apparently.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Nov 09, 2025 11:16 pm
It's funny how you call a reasoned and historically accurate description of Socialism "kneejerk."![]()
Socialism has a 100% record of failure, and a disastrous record of hundreds of millions of abused, plundered, tortured, exiled and murdered. NOTHING has a worse record, in all of human history. And that's what you want?![]()
Tell that to the Dems...and their friends at Blackrock, Amazon, etc. They don't seem to have gotten that message from you.
There are just no serious discussions of fixing the climate that do not begin with the words, "China and India." If China and India don't fix their situations, nothing anybody else does will matter a fig. That's reality.
Socialist countries, historically, have LOW standards of living, and a high rate of death. And they don't just "tax," but actively attack the whole concept of private property as well.
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If you are asking a question, here, and not just telling, then social programs do not bankrupt any countries.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon Nov 10, 2025 1:33 amSo the social programs are "bankrupting" the country?Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Nov 09, 2025 11:42 pmNot at all. My country has never been Socialist. The most you could say is that it's been broadly a "capitalist" country with a few social programs that are bankrupting it; but you couldn't ever call it Socialist, because Socialism has never been in control of the means of production, which is its fundamental goal, if you know the theory.accelafine wrote: ↑Sun Nov 09, 2025 11:33 pm
Well you've been enjoying the fruits of a so-called 'socialist' country your whole life apparently.
Socialist countries, historically, have LOW standards of living, and a high rate of death. And they don't just "tax," but actively attack the whole concept of private property as well.
What bankrupts is mismanagement.
And, how the people of any country can mismanage to a point of bankruptcy, (when money is just given to them, before services are provided, and when money is just being 'printed' or 'added on' whenever they like), goes to show and reveal just how corrupt those who are meant to 'manage the money' are, exactly.
To some, like "immanuel can", then this is an obvious, 'Yes'.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon Nov 10, 2025 1:33 am If they took away the social programs and let the poor just die on the roadsides, would that be preferable?
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He must mean 'socialist' things like the old age pension-- which he's likely enjoying.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon Nov 10, 2025 1:33 amSo the social programs are "bankrupting" the country? If they took away the social programs and let the poor just die on the roadsides, would that be preferable?Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Nov 09, 2025 11:42 pmNot at all. My country has never been Socialist. The most you could say is that it's been broadly a "capitalist" country with a few social programs that are bankrupting it; but you couldn't ever call it Socialist, because Socialism has never been in control of the means of production, which is its fundamental goal, if you know the theory.accelafine wrote: ↑Sun Nov 09, 2025 11:33 pm
Well you've been enjoying the fruits of a so-called 'socialist' country your whole life apparently.
Socialist countries, historically, have LOW standards of living, and a high rate of death. And they don't just "tax," but actively attack the whole concept of private property as well.
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Yep.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon Nov 10, 2025 1:33 amSo the social programs are "bankrupting" the country?Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Nov 09, 2025 11:42 pmNot at all. My country has never been Socialist. The most you could say is that it's been broadly a "capitalist" country with a few social programs that are bankrupting it; but you couldn't ever call it Socialist, because Socialism has never been in control of the means of production, which is its fundamental goal, if you know the theory.accelafine wrote: ↑Sun Nov 09, 2025 11:33 pm
Well you've been enjoying the fruits of a so-called 'socialist' country your whole life apparently.
Socialist countries, historically, have LOW standards of living, and a high rate of death. And they don't just "tax," but actively attack the whole concept of private property as well.
That would be bad, too. But there has to be a third alternative: a sustainable balance in medical provision. If there's not, then the system itself will collapse, and EVERYBODY will end up on the roadsides. Would you prefer that?If they took away the social programs and let the poor just die on the roadsides, would that be preferable?
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Corrupted social programs, Gary, not social programs.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon Nov 10, 2025 1:33 am So the social programs are "bankrupting" the country? If they took away the social programs and let the poor just die on the roadsides, would that be preferable?
Corrupted immigration, Gary, not immigration.
Keyword: Corrupted. Cue the Democrats.
What stinks is that you already know the distinction, and for some reason you must muddy that clarity of distinctions in language that is designed to clarify meaning that represents reality.
For example, the Democrats opened the floodgates of the border for any and all who could set foot on American soil by hook or crook or cartel, to fall into the social safety net designed for, and paid for, tax payers. Democrats corrupted the immigration system all to hell.
Remember the hotels in NYC filled with illegals?
Talk about in-your-face unfairness and greed for political power at the expense of citizens.
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LOL So, providing 'worker's money' to already monetary rich weapons manufactures does not 'bankrupt' a country, but, lol, providing medical, educational, and other help and support with 'that money' does 'bankrupt' a country.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Nov 10, 2025 4:47 amYep.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon Nov 10, 2025 1:33 amSo the social programs are "bankrupting" the country?Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Nov 09, 2025 11:42 pm
Not at all. My country has never been Socialist. The most you could say is that it's been broadly a "capitalist" country with a few social programs that are bankrupting it; but you couldn't ever call it Socialist, because Socialism has never been in control of the means of production, which is its fundamental goal, if you know the theory.
Socialist countries, historically, have LOW standards of living, and a high rate of death. And they don't just "tax," but actively attack the whole concept of private property as well.
And, 'this' coming from 'the one' who claims to be 'a christian' makes 'this' even more hilarious.
LOL As can be very clearly seen, here, 'these people', back when this was being written, still believed, absolutely, that money was needed, and necessary.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Mon Nov 10, 2025 4:47 amThat would be bad, too. But there has to be a third alternative: a sustainable balance in medical provision. If there's not, then the system itself will collapse, and EVERYBODY will end up on the roadsides. Would you prefer that?If they took away the social programs and let the poor just die on the roadsides, would that be preferable?
Which goes to show and prove just how twisted and distorted they really were, and thus why they kept created, and kept living within, a Truly twisted, distorted, and sick world.
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Age, are you familiar with the generally accepted meaning of the idiom: take a hint, in relation to meaning, communication, and uncircumspection?
If the answer is no, 'tis a simple matter to consult AI for such basics, and then being alert to verifying the consult in human ways.