The Democrat Party Hates America

[seeds]

It was impossible to have seen primitive tribal Africans, without written language and technologically completely inferior to Europeans and Americans, as being anything but 'inferior' in the accurate sense of the word. I.e. on a lower level. So a conversation on the reasons for a slave industry, and about the importation and exploitation of slaves to work in the 'plantations of the White man's will', and thus to have gotten a place in the Americas generally, is a conversation that can hardly be undertaken in our present, simply because it is far too 'hot'.

Your racist comments about "primitive tribal Africans" are silly. Slavery was common in the past. It was not based on racial categories in Greece, or Rome, or China. The so-called "primitive" Africans were enslaved not because they were "inferior", but because their lack of Western technology led them to be unable to defend themselves. My suggestion: the slavery preceded the prejudice, and caused it.

Right you are, Alexiev.

Furthermore, AJ's racist comments are not just silly, they belie something in his personal philosophy that he tries not to be too obvious about, but it reveals itself in his defense and promotion of certain white nationalists.

I love the guy, but he has issues.
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[seeds]

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Everything that anyone needs to know about the "value" of IC's and AJ's seemingly intelligent, knowledgeable, and articulately written opinions about how those of us who actually live in America should feel about our current raft of elected officials...

...can be ascertained by viewing the huge and obtrusive "watermark" that is impossible not to notice on the page just behind the text of their replies - a watermark that is comprised of a mere five, but quite telling words...

"...I AM A TRUMP SUPPORTER..."

Again, ^^^those^^^ scarlet letters that they wear so proudly...

(in lieu of proudly wearing a dunce cap)

...is all that anyone needs to know about the "value" of their (non-resident) opinions regarding the current status of American politics and of how the majority of American citizens feel about Donald J. Trump.

(Note: I would include Walker [the Super-Trumpist] in this evaluation, but we're talking about those who at least "seem to be" intelligent.)*

*(Disclaimer: In the Trumpian spirit of always looking for ways of achieving higher ratings, it is necessary to include random insults and ad homs [all in good fun] in the hope of increasing the viewership of our little PN show. Everything we do is for entertainment purposes only. In which case, you can rest assured that no humans [actors] are ever truly harmed in the production of this program. )
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[Alexis Jacobi]

Furthermore, AJ's racist comments are not just silly, they belie something in his personal philosophy that he tries not to be too obvious about, but it reveals itself in his defense and promotion of certain white nationalists.

I love the guy, but he has issues.

Thanks for your love however nothing I said is expressive of racist ideas or philosophy. I explained how things were viewed at that time.

I suggest, politely, that is you that might have an issue around separating your views in the present from an “accurate historical picture” of how things were seen in the past.

I do not “promote White nationalists” except insofar as I am aware of their platforms.

You-plural are so tightly bound up in your specific viewpoints that you are incapable of understanding those contrary to your own. I do not suffer from that defect.

You-plural cannot calmly discuss topical issues and you turn everything into partisan forum battles. It is tiresome and unproductive.

[seeds]

Furthermore, AJ's racist comments are not just silly, they belie something in his personal philosophy that he tries not to be too obvious about, but it reveals itself in his defense and promotion of certain white nationalists.

I love the guy, but he has issues.

Thanks for your love however nothing I said is expressive of racist ideas or philosophy. I explained how things were viewed at that time.

I suggest, politely, that is you that might have an issue around separating your views in the present from an “accurate historical picture” of how things were seen in the past.

An "...accurate historical picture of how things were seen in the past..." (as seen from the present), is that our early American ancestors had the choice of either helping to uplift the African natives (our fellow humans) through kindness and the sharing of, what was at that time, modern tools and knowledge,...

...or...

...to treat them like animals.

They chose the latter.

And that (in a nutshell) is an "accurate historical picture" of the past.

Now just combine that with what our American ancestors also did to the Native Americans, and you will understand why I suggest that we (as a nation) are paying for those early and egregious national sins right now in the form of that "necrotizing karma" I keep harping about.

I do not “promote White nationalists” except insofar as I am aware of their platforms.

I'm too lazy to hunt down the names of the various white nationalists...

(or tribalists, or ethnocentrists, or monoculturalists, or whatever the heck those guys are)

...whose writings and speeches you've linked us to in the past and clearly leaned toward supporting (or at least praised as containing laudable ideas).

However, based on the simple fact that you support and defend Donald J. Trump, who clearly exhibits white nationalist and racist tendencies,...

(though surprise, surprise he will lie and deny it)

...is enough to demonstrate that your own personal platform is more than just one of being "aware" (for self-edification purposes) of the platforms of white nationalists.

You-plural are so tightly bound up in your specific viewpoints that you are incapable of understanding those contrary to your own. I do not suffer from that defect.

There is nothing difficult in understanding viewpoints that are contrary to my own viewpoint.

Indeed, you silly man, it is because I understand them that I rail against them.

You-plural cannot calmly discuss topical issues and you turn everything into partisan forum battles. It is tiresome and unproductive.

Come on now, brother Alexis (my fellow thespian), what is it about this...

*(Disclaimer: In the Trumpian spirit of always looking for ways of achieving higher ratings, it is necessary to include random insults and ad homs [all in good fun] in the hope of increasing the viewership of our little PN show. Everything we do is for entertainment purposes only. In which case, you can rest assured that no humans [actors] are ever truly harmed in the production of this program. )

...that you don't understand?

If you're going to support the guy by voting for him, then get with the Trumpian program, for crying out loud, and realize the importance of "ratings"...

...(and of golden ballrooms, and of golden commodes, and of the right to admire despotic dictators, and of the right to put Satan himself to shame when it comes to the "art of lying," and of the right and freedom to grab women by their p....rivate parts, etc., etc.).
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[accelafine]

Donald J. Trump, who clearly exhibits white nationalist and racist tendencies,...

Could you post a link to where he is 'exhibiting' this? You won't (of course) but I would just like it to be out there that you didn't back up this claim with any evidence.

[Alexis Jacobi]

...to treat them like animals.

They chose the latter.

First, you could read the writings and journals of Southerners who had slaves and, in their segregated, superiorist way, shared life with those Africans. This is not to point away from brutal realism, and it is only to point out that, in fact, many of those Whites had genuine human concern for their subjects, and there was a very resl degree of civility.

However, this was far less the case in Cuba, Haiti and Brazil where conditions were tremendously more brutal.

What I see you doing, Seeds, or what I see you embodying, is a type of reverse moral engineering. It’s very typical (of your generation) and it is not productive of the good you seek.

I spent a good year attempting a study (in a rather hurried manner) to examine the South not from the prejudiced Northern perspective, but from a more nuanced and ‘fairer’ frame of mind.

You will interpret what I have said here as some form of apologetic, that’s your predilection, but that is not my object. If I had to define my object I would describe it as a need and a desire to “see accurately” and not through lenses of projection.

We can all “read from the lists of historical horrors” (as the middle passage certainly was, and that is just one aspect) but the fact is that “the world” was brutal and still is (in different ways).

[seeds]

However, based on the simple fact that you support and defend Donald J. Trump, who clearly exhibits white nationalist and racist tendencies,...

Could you post a link to where he is 'exhibiting' this? You won't (of course) but I would just like it to be out there that you didn't back up this claim with any evidence.

Trump is usually very careful not to say anything overtly racist, and if he does, he just either denies saying it, or tries to convince you that he didn't mean what it sounded like, or finds some other way of lying and weaseling his way out of the problem.

If you are unfortunate (or dumb) enough to have listened to hundreds (if not thousands) of his comments over the years, his racism becomes apparent through the cumulative effect of constantly hearing him berate Mexicans and other brown skinned people, or through an accumulation of varied ditties such as the following taken from Wikipedia...

n his 1991 book Trumped! John O'Donnell quoted Trump as allegedly saying:

• I've got black accountants at Trump Castle and at Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys wearing yarmulkes.... Those are the only kind of people I want counting my money. Nobody else... Besides that, I've got to tell you something else. I think that the guy's lazy. And it's probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks.

(Here is a link to the Wiki page that that quote was taken from -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_vi ... f%20Donald)

Again, my claim of him having racist tendencies is derived from a cumulative effect of years of witnessing him involved in sometimes subtle and not so subtle racist-ish comments and actions that have imbued him with a racist "air" or "vibe," so to speak, that exudes from his very being like some kind of disgusting body odor.

I mean, what do you expect coming from a person that you yourself have deemed to be an "ignoramus"? - (of which I whole-heartedly agree with you in that assessment.)
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[Alexiev]

More blather. I specifically avoided an "ideological response" to defending the canon. The canon represents a wide variety of ideologies. Its attackers may have ideological (or political) reasons for their disapproval, but it needs no defense other than that of artistic and aesthetic merit. As Westerners, our aesthetic appreciations are heightened by our training; we have learned how to appreciate art forms with which we are familiar.

You are speaking in platitudes. You really have professorial rhetoric down pat. My opinion? Your analysis is extremely shallow.

Its attackers most certainly have ideological reasons for their attack, and at the same time, of course, it contains artistic and aesthetic “merit” as you put it.

Yet there are far more consequential issues at stake though clearly none of that draws you attention. You are totally free to make your own choices.

Whether I notice the intensity of cultural battles is irrelevant.

It is definitely irrelevant insofar as your own choices go. However these issues that play out today cannot be encapsulated or reduced as your preferences dictate. The intensity of the battles are certainly relevant in a larger picture. And I made no statement as to the present battles being more or less intense compared to other junctures. Each time is unique.

Nobody can carefully study everything in this information-rich age. We must all pick and choose. I choose not to care much about cultural battles fomented by racists.

For this reason alone I do not see your choice as sensible. What you encapsulate, misleadingly, under the heading of “racism” must be examined and better understood (especially by those in your camp).

Your choices are yours to make, Alexiev.

Of course my analysis is "shallow". The depth of the issues surrounding bigotry and racism require little depth. Nor can the "issues that play out today... be encapsulated or reduced as your preferences dictate." OK. What else is new?

[accelafine]

However, based on the simple fact that you support and defend Donald J. Trump, who clearly exhibits white nationalist and racist tendencies,...

Could you post a link to where he is 'exhibiting' this? You won't (of course) but I would just like it to be out there that you didn't back up this claim with any evidence.

Trump is usually very careful not to say anything overtly racist, and if he does, he just either denies saying it, or tries to convince you that he didn't mean what it sounded like, or finds some other way of lying and weaseling his way out of the problem.

If you are unfortunate (or dumb) enough to have listened to hundreds (if not thousands) of his comments over the years, his racism becomes apparent through the cumulative effect of constantly hearing him berate Mexicans and other brown skinned people, or through an accumulation of varied ditties such as the following taken from Wikipedia...

n his 1991 book Trumped! John O'Donnell quoted Trump as allegedly saying:

• I've got black accountants at Trump Castle and at Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys wearing yarmulkes.... Those are the only kind of people I want counting my money. Nobody else... Besides that, I've got to tell you something else. I think that the guy's lazy. And it's probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks.

(Here is a link to the Wiki page that that quote was taken from -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_vi ... f%20Donald)

Again, my claim of him having racist tendencies is derived from a cumulative effect of years of witnessing him involved in sometimes subtle and not so subtle racist-ish comments and actions that have imbued him with a racist "air" or "vibe," so to speak, that exudes from his very being like some kind of disgusting body odor.

I mean, what do you expect coming from a person that you yourself have deemed to be an "ignoramus"? - (of which I whole-heartedly agree with you in that assessment.)
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That's sorted then. I link to a wiki page

[Alexis Jacobi]

Again, ^^^those^^^ scarlet letters that they wear so proudly...

Make it more simple for yourself: Just ask me what I think of DT’s presidency (etc.) No need for your projections.

[Alexis Jacobi]

Once again the same script plays out. People come to this forum with established, firm, intractable positions, and relish the opportunity, when they encounter someone of a different or opposed persuasion, to lock horns in mortal combat; to spill their guts about what they are certain is true and righteous …

Only Alexis Jacobi has risen above all this. He carries on like a hidden saint, vastly humble, incredibly tolerant.

Now c’mon people!! Hitler wasn’t really that bad, right? I mean he loved his dogs (not to mention his concubine).

[Alexiev]

Once again the same script plays out. People come to this forum with established, firm, intractable positions, and relish the opportunity, when they encounter someone of a different or opposed persuasion, to lock horns in mortal combat; to spill their guts about what they are certain is true and righteous …

Only Alexis Jacobi has risen above all this. He carries on like a hidden saint, vastly humble, incredibly tolerant.

Now c’mon people!! Hitler wasn’t really that bad, right? I mean he loved his dogs (not to mention his concubine).

Your sainthood, if it exists, is certainly well hidden.

[Alexis Jacobi]

Thanks for noticing! It is true that genuine humility has always come pretty easy for me.

[Alexiev]

Thanks for noticing! It is true that genuine humility has always come pretty easy for me.

Given your talents, it must be very easy to be humble.

[Alexis Jacobi]

Given your talents, it must be very easy to be humble.

You'd think so, wouldn't you?