Does gender matter?

[Immanuel Can]

...before the scientific method was developed....

“The first gulp from the glass of natural sciences will make you an atheist, but at the bottom of the glass God is waiting for you.”
-- Werner Heisenberg, Nobel Prize winning scientist and pioneer in quantum physics.

[Alexiev]

I love it when people who don't know Christian language try to use it to argue the opposite of what it requires.

Hmm. I thought "agape" was a Greek word. I also thought that ever since the Tower of Babel (acc. the bible) different nations spoke a variety of languages. Silly me. Thanks for enlightening me. Is "Christian language" some sort of secret code with which you can communicate directly with Jesus?

[Immanuel Can]

I love it when people who don't know Christian language try to use it to argue the opposite of what it requires.

Hmm. I thought "agape" was a Greek word.

It is. But it's also a term in basic Christian theology -- which you must know, or else there was no reason for you to employ it in the present discussion. So you're being a bit disingenuous there.

[Alexiev]

I love it when people who don't know Christian language try to use it to argue the opposite of what it requires.

Hmm. I thought "agape" was a Greek word.

It is. But it's also a term in basic Christian theology -- which you must know, or else there was no reason for you to employ it in the present discussion. So you're being a bit disingenuous there.

I know the Christian meaning --having read C.S. Lewis's "Four Loves". Originally it referred to God's love for humans -- a disinterested love not ameliorated by our lack of desert. It also refers to a human's reciprocal love for God -- and charitable love for fellow humans, which is why my use of the word was precise and correct. To some it continues to refer to a love from the higher (God) to the lower (us). If one practices charitable love toward humans, presumably one would want to help them achieve salvation -- in other words, preach effectively instead of ineffectively. Your preaching is ineffective, probably because it is self-centered instead of being an attempt to help others. Hence, it is a failure of agape.

[Immanuel Can]

Hmm. I thought "agape" was a Greek word.

It is. But it's also a term in basic Christian theology -- which you must know, or else there was no reason for you to employ it in the present discussion. So you're being a bit disingenuous there.

I know the Christian meaning --having read C.S. Lewis's "Four Loves". Originally it referred to God's love for humans -- a disinterested love not ameliorated by our lack of desert. It also refers to a human's reciprocal love for God -- and charitable love for fellow humans, which is why my use of the word was precise and correct. To some it continues to refer to a love from the higher (God) to the lower (us).

If you knew this, then why were you feigning that you thought it was just "a Greek word"?

Again, that's a little disingenuous, don't you think?

Your preaching is ineffective...

So you say, I suppose. And if that's how you find the gospel to be for you, I can't stop you. "For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God." So says the Word.

Maybe you're just one of the people who's perishing.

[Alexiev]

Maybe you're just one of the people who's perishing.

Doubtless. And it's all your fault because of your obnoxious style!

[Immanuel Can]

Maybe you're just one of the people who's perishing.

Doubtless. And it's all your fault because of your obnoxious style!

It's the message, not the messenger. God is quite capable of overcoming any faults in the messenger, I assure you. Christ Himself was regarded as "offensive" by some. As He said, "Blessed is he who does not take offense in Me." Matt. 11:6.

So take your offense, whether in style or message. Make all the excuses you can find to dismiss the message. But you have been told, and you have been warned, and that's what agape requires. It does not require me to save you -- I can't -- just to tell you the truth, and give you a chance to do the right thing. It doesn't ask me to become a salesman, just a spokesman.

[Age]

Maybe you're just one of the people who's perishing.

Doubtless. And it's all your fault because of your obnoxious style!

It's the message, not the messenger. God is quite capable of overcoming any faults in the messenger, I assure you. Christ Himself was regarded as "offensive" by some. As He said, "Blessed is he who does not take offense in Me." Matt. 11:6.

So take your offense, whether in style or message. Make all the excuses you can find to dismiss the message. But you have been told, and you have been warned, and that's what agape requires. It does not require me to save you -- I can't -- just to tell you the truth, and give you a chance to do the right thing. It doesn't ask me to become a salesman, just a spokesman.

Imagine being a self-proclaimed "spokesman", telling the benefits of 'snake oil', and then claiming that you can not save another.

Of course "Immanuel can" can not save another, because "Immanuel can" can not even save "itself". In fact "immanuel can" is being the actual 'devil', itself, here, telling lies whilst 'trying' its hardest to pretend that they are truths.

And, deep down "Immanuel can" knows this to be absolutely True, thus why it only responds to some things, some of the times.

[Immanuel Can]

Doubtless. And it's all your fault because of your obnoxious style!

It's the message, not the messenger. God is quite capable of overcoming any faults in the messenger, I assure you. Christ Himself was regarded as "offensive" by some. As He said, "Blessed is he who does not take offense in Me." Matt. 11:6.

So take your offense, whether in style or message. Make all the excuses you can find to dismiss the message. But you have been told, and you have been warned, and that's what agape requires. It does not require me to save you -- I can't -- just to tell you the truth, and give you a chance to do the right thing. It doesn't ask me to become a salesman, just a spokesman.

Imagine being a self-proclaimed "spokesman", telling the benefits of 'snake oil', and then claiming that you can not save another.

I'm not "self-" anything. My message is not my own. There is One who can save, but it is not me. And He says that those who don't listen perish. You can ignore me: can you ignore Him?

[Age]

It's the message, not the messenger. God is quite capable of overcoming any faults in the messenger, I assure you. Christ Himself was regarded as "offensive" by some. As He said, "Blessed is he who does not take offense in Me." Matt. 11:6.

So take your offense, whether in style or message. Make all the excuses you can find to dismiss the message. But you have been told, and you have been warned, and that's what agape requires. It does not require me to save you -- I can't -- just to tell you the truth, and give you a chance to do the right thing. It doesn't ask me to become a salesman, just a spokesman.

Imagine being a self-proclaimed "spokesman", telling the benefits of 'snake oil', and then claiming that you can not save another.

I'm not "self-" anything. My message is not my own. There is One who can save, but it is not me. And He says that those who don't listen perish. You can ignore me: can you ignore Him?

LOL "him".

"immanuel can" believes that it listens and that it does not ignore God, but, once again "immanuel can" just proved, without a shadow of a doubt, that it is not listening and is, in fact, ignoring God completely.

And, contrary to 'your belief', 'your message", here, is 'your own message'. It certainly is not God's message at all.

[Alexiev]

It's the message, not the messenger. God is quite capable of overcoming any faults in the messenger, I assure you. Christ Himself was regarded as "offensive" by some. As He said, "Blessed is he who does not take offense in Me." Matt. 11:6.

So take your offense, whether in style or message. Make all the excuses you can find to dismiss the message. But you have been told, and you have been warned, and that's what agape requires. It does not require me to save you -- I can't -- just to tell you the truth, and give you a chance to do the right thing. It doesn't ask me to become a salesman, just a spokesman.

The medium is the message, as Marshall McCluhan once said. Some of your silly proclamations serve as a turn-off to potential converts. It's only natural to think, "If IC is so dogmatic and dismissive of any potential morality except his own, maybe Christianity is dogmatic, dismissive, and judgmental" I get it. God (if there is one) might judge. But who can know the mind of God? When you pose as a judge -- based on the Bible (which was written by men and determined by a church whose authority you reject) you not only sin by being prideful, but fail in promoting the faith.

IN other words, you fail your Christian faith. Oh, well. So do we all.

[Immanuel Can]

It's the message, not the messenger. God is quite capable of overcoming any faults in the messenger, I assure you. Christ Himself was regarded as "offensive" by some. As He said, "Blessed is he who does not take offense in Me." Matt. 11:6.

So take your offense, whether in style or message. Make all the excuses you can find to dismiss the message. But you have been told, and you have been warned, and that's what agape requires. It does not require me to save you -- I can't -- just to tell you the truth, and give you a chance to do the right thing. It doesn't ask me to become a salesman, just a spokesman.

The medium is the message, as Marshall McCluhan once said.

You don't really know what he meant, or you wouldn't be quoting it in this context.

But who can know the mind of God?

Well, HE can, that's for sure. And He can tell you what He expects. And He has. And you get to decide whether to listen or not.

I guess you can always try the excuses, "The medium didn't please me," or "The message didn't come across sweetly enough to me" when you see Him. I don't like your chances, but you can try it. And you will see Him, as will we all.

[Alexiev]

You don't really know what he meant, or you wouldn't be quoting it in this context.

But who can know the mind of God?

Well, HE can, that's for sure. And He can tell you what He expects. And He has. And you get to decide whether to listen or not.

I guess you can always try the excuses, "The medium didn't please me," or "The message didn't come across sweetly enough to me" when you see Him. I don't like your chances, but you can try it. And you will see Him, as will we all.

Excuses? What the heck are you talking about? I accuse you of failing in your missionary capacity, and you say I'm making "excuses". Huh? What does that have to do with the price of fish in China?

[Immanuel Can]

You don't really know what he meant, or you wouldn't be quoting it in this context.

But who can know the mind of God?

Well, HE can, that's for sure. And He can tell you what He expects. And He has. And you get to decide whether to listen or not.

I guess you can always try the excuses, "The medium didn't please me," or "The message didn't come across sweetly enough to me" when you see Him. I don't like your chances, but you can try it. And you will see Him, as will we all.

I accuse you of failing in your missionary capacity...

If your salvation depended on me, you might have a case. Unfortunately for you, and fortunately for me, it doesn't.

You've heard the message. You've had the chance. From now on, it's on you. You won't find that "I didn't like the messenger" will get you very far.

[Age]

It's the message, not the messenger. God is quite capable of overcoming any faults in the messenger, I assure you. Christ Himself was regarded as "offensive" by some. As He said, "Blessed is he who does not take offense in Me." Matt. 11:6.

So take your offense, whether in style or message. Make all the excuses you can find to dismiss the message. But you have been told, and you have been warned, and that's what agape requires. It does not require me to save you -- I can't -- just to tell you the truth, and give you a chance to do the right thing. It doesn't ask me to become a salesman, just a spokesman.

The medium is the message, as Marshall McCluhan once said.

You don't really know what he meant, or you wouldn't be quoting it in this context.

But who can know the mind of God?

Well, HE can, that's for sure.

Once more 'this one' blindly believes its own made up assumptions and conclusions, even when they are the exact opposite of what God says, and knows.

But, as has already been pointed and shown 'this one' is being the 'devil', itself.

"immanuel can" is very desperately clutching to its beliefs, no matter how False, Wrong, Inaccurate, or Incorrect they are, but this is just because it has been fooled and deceived, "itself".

And He can tell you what He expects. And He has. And you get to decide whether to listen or not.

So, why have you chosen to 'not listen', "immanuel can"? Or, do you believe you 'do listen', and 'do understand'?

I guess you can always try the excuses, "The medium didn't please me," or "The message didn't come across sweetly enough to me" when you see Him. I don't like your chances, but you can try it. And you will see Him, as will we all.

LOL 'you' will not be seeing God, at all, if you do not change 'your ways'. And, if you believe that you will after that body stops breathing, then 'you' are more of a fool than you portray, here, and, if you do not change 'your ways', then you have obviously been tricked and deceived beyond repair.