It seems that you don't want to understand a simple fact and are stubbornly mixing two different things.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Oct 25, 2025 2:55 amSorry...it does. And a little thought will show you it does.Senad Dizdarevic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 25, 2025 2:34 amNo, it does not...Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Oct 25, 2025 2:09 am
No: it means it's "running down," distributing energy from a state of higher complexity to lower complexity...and THAT means it had to have a beginning.
What do you mean when you say "cosmos"? There is, and can be, only one "universe." That's because "universe" means, "all that exists." So if we were to discover something more, it would be yet another compartment within THIS "universe," not another one. If it's genuinely "another universe," we can have no access to it, ever.
You still have no argument, not "valid evidence that god does not exist," as you claim.
If something is decaying from a higher-complexity state to a lower-complexity state, you can use it as a kind of "clock," which while not precise, makes it absolutely certain there's a rate involved. And that rate can be "wound back," and gives you a sense of the origin point.
Simple illustration: if I look at you, I can judge your age by way of your decrepitude. That is, depending on the distance between your physical decline and the ideal peak of your powers, I can say, "This man's in his '30s, or '40s, or '50s, or whatever. And I know for sure that you are a time-dependent being, too: because if you had infinite time before you, your decrepitude would already be 100%. You'd be dead.
But the universe is the same. Because it's entropic, we can "wind back" the calendar, so to speak, and judge that at some point it had to be infused with immense original complexity, from which it has been steadily declining by way of the Second Law of Thermodynamics. So it's beyond doubt, really.
I asked you what you meant by "cosmos." You didn't answer. Here, you reveal you think it doesn't mean "universe." You say it's just "one of many" parts of that "universe." Okay. So what is included in what you're calling "the cosmos?" Do you mean, "our solar system"? Or do you mean "our Local Group" of solar systems? Or do you mean something else?...cosmos is one of many cosmoses in the Universe.
I understand that you don't like the truth about eternal Existence because it cancels out your god as Creator. Liking or disliking does not affect the truth. Your fight against reality, reason, and facts just shows your desperate attempt to deny reality and keep religious delusion.
Energy can not be created or destroyed. Existence - All that is, as a closed system, was never created and will never be destroyed. You can deny it but that does not change the fact that that is true.
2. Law of thermodynamics is not about creation but about transformation in the already existing closed system.
1. Existence of a closed system like Existence - All that is - is one thing.
2. What is happening inside a closed system is another thing.
Process does not say anything about the existence of a closed system, let alone about its "creation".
You claim it does - prove it with the 2. Law of thermodynamics definition.
About the universe and cosmoses.
Religious, primitive, and limited biblical theory claims that:
1. There is a god, who is immaterial, despite being incarnated in a human and becoming Jesus, luckily only in myth.
2. He thinks and speaks, but is immaterial, which is not possible as thoughts and words are energetic and material.
3. He exists beyond time, even though there is an eternal Now as the prime time of Everything that exists, and it is a temporal measure.
4. He exists beyond the World or the universe, despite the simple fact that there is nothing beyond Existence, which consists of two parts: Energy = matter, and Pure Awareness, a nonmaterial superstate which is not a being, an agent, or a doer.
5. He created the universe out of nothing, by one line, and out of something, by another line. Both are wrong. In Existence, a closed system that was never created, there are no creators and no creations. Everything already exists.
So, there is a god and the universe, and nothing else. False.
There is Existence, Energy = matter, and Pure Awareness. We can also name it the universe. Inside the universe, there are many cosmoses.
Existence is eternal, and cosmoses are also eternal.
Our cosmos has many dimensions, at least 16.
Our part of cosmos, we, Earthlings, live in 2.6 dimension, has its own world. For the bibliotic believers, that is the only world or even the universe out there. Wrong.
Every dimension has its own world, cosmos, or "universe". Lower ones, like ours, have different operating laws than the higher ones.
For example, we measure time by the rotation of the stars and planets. Above the human part of our cosmos, above 15. dimension, there are no galaxies, stars, or planets. Beings living there are energetic clouds who float and fly in an energetic field. They don't have time as we do. Their energy field is constant; there is no entropy of any kind. There is no "cooling down". One of the most absurd apologetic claims is that energy in our cosmos is becoming "bad" and "useless", and that is supposed to be proof that the Big Bang exploded from nothing, which is just another term for god's creation from nothing.
Frank Turek claims that science proves that the Big Bang is the beginning of the universe, and that that means that god created it from nothing, while lying that science clearly states that the Big Bang happened out of singularity, a small dense primal point of energy, and not from nothing.
That is typical theist, religious, and apologetic manipulation they use to cheat themselves and try to fool others. They just say something, anything, and then pretend it is true. It is not.
Existence, or the universe, is like a room with many balloons (cosmoses) inside it. If one balloon is inflating and expanding, that does not affect the room. It can maybe reach the walls of the room or the Existence Energy border, but it won't affect its size. When it comes to the wall or the border, it will stop expanding. One balloon can also become smaller, merge with another balloon, or dissolve into the base energy field of Existence or the room, and that won't affect the totality of Existence as its outer size will stay the same.
Like it or not: Existence is eternal, it was never created, and it will never disappear. Nobody created it: god as creator does not exist.
Deny it, manipulate it, fight it, but that won't change the truth. You can inflate your balloon as much as you want, you can also explode, but the truth about Existence will stay the same.