The first valid evidence that god does NOT exist

[seeds]

I reply to the original post:-

But there were no atheists until the last few hundred years. There is no recorded history of people who did not believe in the existence of God or gods until the last few hundred years.

Hi, I asked AI Copilot for some of the sources:

Ancient Atheists and Non-Believers

1. University of Cambridge Study

Tim Whitmarsh, Professor of Greek Culture, argues that atheism is as natural to humans as religion. His research shows that ancient societies tolerated and even embraced atheistic thought, especially in polytheistic cultures like Greece and Rome.
“People in the ancient world did not always believe in the gods… atheists thrived in the polytheistic societies of the ancient world.”

Source: https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/dis ... s-religion

2. Battling the Gods: Atheism in the Ancient World

This book by Tim Whitmarsh explores ancient Greek thinkers who rejected divine authority. Key figures include:

• Diagoras of Melos – openly mocked religion and was labeled “the first atheist.”
• Theodorus the Atheist – denied the existence of gods and was exiled for his views.
• Democritus – proposed a materialist universe without divine intervention.

Source: https://www.worldhistory.org/review/180 ... ent-world/

3. Wikipedia: History of Atheism

The entry outlines how explicit atheism dates back to ancient India, China, and Greece. Philosophers like Charvaka in India and Xunzi in China rejected supernatural beliefs.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_atheism

The karmicons, energy beings, and humans from higher dimensions, and members of the Evil Karmic Organization, believed that the universe is in balance between Good and Evil. They created our part of the cosmos in a dialectical form of dual opposition - yin-yang, white and black, theists and atheists, to establish the "balance" between opposing forces.

They were Evil, so they made a step further and intentionally created conflicts between the oppositions to produce negative energy. Read more about the Karmic Organization here: https://god-doesntexist.com/the-karmic- ... the-truth/

The karmicons also created all religions, gods, and faiths, including Yahweh, Jesus (who never existed as a real person), angels, and Satan and demons. If you start observing the world, you will see this dual pattern. If you want to check my statement, I suggest you learn lucid dreaming and use it to meet inhabitants of other planets you dream with every night.

They will tell you that I am telling the truth, and that incarnations are ended. What does that mean? People from the higher planets were forcibly incarnated into people from lower planets. Earth is the lowest, and that is the reason we didn't incarnate. Before incarnation, the karmicons created plans and karmic scripts for the incarnants with details from birth to death. They predetermined everything - thoughts, feelings and emotions, words, and acts. All of them.

Part of the karmic script was also religious orientation. Religious believers on Earth believe in god because the karmicons programmed them to believe. The atheist on Earth doesn't believe in god because the karmicons did not program them to believe in him.

Learn to lucid dream and ask people from other planets about incarnations - if they were forced to go and if they have ended. Here is the article with explanations and exercises: https://god-doesntexist.com/lucid-dream ... in-dreams/

If you want, I will assist you gladly.

By the way, in my book series, I present three objective pieces of evidence and one subjective, experiential. I have decades-long and regular communication with the karmicons, and I know they created all religions, gods, and faiths as part of the incarnational scripts for incarnants who were forcibly incarnated on lower humans' baby bodies.

Religious believers believe that their god movie is real, while I know that it is just a movie, as I know the scriptwriters and directors who created them and their movie.

Remember The Matrix? That's it, a planetary Simulation.

Luckily, the karmicons' Drama is running out, and the day is coming when we, the new Cosmic Administration, https://god-doesntexist.com/cosmic-administration/, will present you the Truth, together with material evidence and concrete persons that created Earth, and in our case, all of its' religions, gods, and faiths, and programmed believers to believe in fairy tales.

Greetings Senad and welcome to the PN loon asylum.

I see that you've already met a few of my fellow patients.

In order to save you from losing a few precious brain cells, I was going to warn you about patient Age who seems to believe that he is channeling an incorporeal intelligence who inspired the writing of the Bible way back when,...

...however,...

(and I mean you no offense, for it would be hypocritical of me [based on my own whacky assertions] not to be open-minded to all possibilities)

...I nevertheless see that you, with this "karmicons" business, could give Age a run for his money.

Again, I don't mean to come off as ridiculing or summarily dismissing your claim,...

...however, if you are going to insist that it is impossible for God to have come into existence from "nothingness" or "somethingness" or whatever it was that gave rise to his (her/its) being,...

...then perhaps if you could give a quick explanation as to how (and from what) these "karmicons" came into existence, it would help clarify your argument.

(P.S., for future reference, if you are going to quote Copilot, or any other chatbot, it would help if you clearly indicate where the quote ends.)
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[Gary Childress]

The starting premise, creation from nothing, is false. That renders the remainder of his argument invalid. There is no need to address anything else.

The Bible does not declare creation from nothing, and in fact explicitly declares “with God nothing shall be impossible”, Luke 1:37.

As Senad says himself, what he is expressing is myth.

Yes, the Bible, the story of one man, a woman and a talking snake, and apples that confer knowledge upon being eaten. Great stuff. Right up there with stories about Santa Claus.

Don't misquote me: What I express is not myth. God does NOT exist because that is not possible.

Existence is eternal. When Something is eternal, Everything is eternal. Eternal means that it was never created. A person who transforms something into something is not god; we are doing it every day.

There are higher beings with fantastic abilities, but they are not gods.

The karmicons from the Evil Karmic Organization created all religions, gods, and faiths on Earth. They also wrote all incarnational scripts for our lives. Religious believers believe in god because they are programmed to believe. Same for atheists - they don't believe in god because they weren't programmed to believe. Read more about the karmicons and have to check my statements: https://god-doesntexist.com/the-karmic- ... the-truth/

Sounds pretty whacky.

[commonsense]

You can't prove that something doesn't exist. That's the whole point. The only possible 'evidence' for non-existence is a lack of evidence. 'God' isn't supposed to provide evidence either. That's what the word 'faith' is all about. This is probably the most ridiculous thread title to date.

I don’t often (ever?) agree with you, but you’ve summed up the whole business here. BTW, that is why I am an agnostic. I suppose theists as well as atheists could cite the same reasons.

[accelafine]

You can't prove that something doesn't exist. That's the whole point. The only possible 'evidence' for non-existence is a lack of evidence. 'God' isn't supposed to provide evidence either. That's what the word 'faith' is all about. This is probably the most ridiculous thread title to date.

I don’t often (ever?) agree with you, but you’ve summed up the whole business here. BTW, that is why I am an agnostic. I suppose theists as well as atheists could cite the same reasons.

You neither agree nor disagree as far as I am aware. Anything in particular you have disagreed with and whY?

[Immanuel Can]

You can't prove that something doesn't exist. That's the whole point. The only possible 'evidence' for non-existence is a lack of evidence. 'God' isn't supposed to provide evidence either. That's what the word 'faith' is all about. This is probably the most ridiculous thread title to date.

I don’t often (ever?) agree with you, but you’ve summed up the whole business here. BTW, that is why I am an agnostic. I suppose theists as well as atheists could cite the same reasons.

You neither agree nor disagree as far as I am aware. Anything in particular you have disagreed with and whY?

I agree with you too, about most of this. Non-existence is an extremely difficult thing to prove, even for ordinary things. It can be done, but it's very hard. But take it to the task of trying to disprove a transcendent, timeless, omnipotent Being, God, and one would oneself have to have the capacities of God to do it.

I make only one caveat. I don't actually agree with your definition of faith. I know the skeptics find it convenient to define it as something like, "belief with no evidence," or else "belief against evidence"; but that's just so they can have an easy pseudo-win, and depart the field rejoicing too early. They know that if one accepts their terms, then one has already lost, because they've loaded the assumptions against faith in their basic definition. Fortunately, there's no justification in their insistence that the relation between faith and reason is antithetical.

Better definitions are not only possible but available. Here's one:

"Faith is simply the process of applying what you do know with certainty to a new situation about which you are not completely confident. Faith projects intelligently."

Now, that's a much better understanding of what faith is. We might also say that this combination of faith and previous experience is at work every time one steps into an elevator. One doesn't know for certain that the elevator box won't plummet and kill one, as maybe one has been told that some elevators have done in past...but one can be pretty sure it won't, and accept the entailed uncertainty and the part of it that involves not-knowing readily, because it's not highly likely that elevators will fail.

And, of course, it's quite certain God will not.

[daniel j lavender]

Non-existence is an extremely difficult thing to prove, even for ordinary things. It can be done, but it's very hard.

We may discuss this topic in the other thread: viewtopic.php?p=793213#p793213


From the thread: viewtopic.php?p=654347#p654347

The coexistence of something and nothing is illogical. It isn’t even valid conceptually. Both something and nothing are things, are concepts, not no things, even in the mind, illustrating only things can be.

[Many are] basically conveying the idea that nonexistence, which has no basis, no identifiable basis as it is not and cannot be, extends or reveals itself conceptually through the terms nothingness and nonexistence. The argument literally has no basis.

Nothing, nothingness is not some ambiguous, mysterious remoteness revealed through the term or concept nonexistence. Rather nothingness is an abstraction, a delusive abstraction constructed in the mind and projected outward through concept and language.

Many claim without consciousness, without thought there is nothingness. Oddly to the contrary. Consciousness, thought is what actually creates this abstraction of nothingness. Without consciousness nonexistence is not a worry. Without thought nonexistence is not a concern.

[Many] speak as if nonexistence is interwoven with existence, intimately connected, coexisting as “conjoined twins”. That, interwoven with existence, nonexistence is as ubiquitous, is as prevalent as existence. Yet essentially [they] concede that only paradoxical concepts, only allusive words can be referenced in the attempt to identify nonexistence. If nonexistence is ubiquitous as existence why all the difficulty identifying it?

[Eodnhoj7]

What would be the best book on Christianity for an atheist?

One with the valid proof that god does not exist.

Missing valid evidence for god's nonexistence is the atheist's Pain Point. For thousands of years, they have been arguing with theists about god's existence, but can't get past the word-against-word stalemate.

I have discovered the first valid evidence that god does NOT exist because that is not possible. In fact, in my new book series "It's Finally PROVEN! God Does NOT Exist The FIRST valid EVIDENCE in History", I present four pieces of evidence, scientific, logical, ontological, and experiential.

Read more about this breakthrough and game-changing book series on my webpage https://god-doesntexist.com/

P.S. I presented three objective pieces of evidence (the fourth one is subjective but fully supports and reinforces the first three) to multiple AIs - ChatGPT and Claude, and both acknowledged that they are logically irrefutable.

Of course God does not exist, only things exist and if God is above all things, existence, than God is not a thing.

However is god is not a thing, than God exists as the relative absence of things, God is the thus the act of distinction as absence.

If God is distinction than God is everpresent through all things yet not limited to anything.

Things only exist because of distinctions and yet distinction is not limited to things. Reality is purely a distinction within distinctions, God is infinite cycles within cycles that appears as effectively nothing in the absolute sense while dually is everpresent cycles within the relative sense.

[Age]

Well, the closest is,“By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible.” Heb. 11:3. If we take, "things not visible" to mean "nothing," I suppose "ex nihilo" is a possible reading.

“Things not visible” is not nothing, and to suggest otherwise is quite a reach.

“Things not visible” means “things not visible” or invisible things. Those are still things, not nothing.

Right you are, daniel.

Indeed, according to quantum theory, the entire visible universe (what physicists call "local" reality) is created from an invisible substrate of super-positioned (entangled) patterns (or fields) of coded ("software-like") information residing in what physicists call "non-local" reality.

A parallel to that can be seen in how Kant views what he calls the "noumenal" realm being the invisible (underlying) counterpart to the visible "phenomenal" realm.

Another parallel can be seen in how when we dream, or when we create the image of an apple before our mind's eye, we cannot see the actual (noumenal-like / thing-in-itself) nature of the substance from which our dreams (or the apple) are created,...

...no, all we can see and experience is its phenomenal (visible) counterpart.

So, in that sense,...

(and I'm just loosely playing with words and concepts here)

...God created our ("local") reality from some kind of workable and infinitely malleable version of Kantian "noumena" which is somehow capable of being formed into absolutely any visible...

(and touchable, and hearable, and smellable, and tastable)

...phenomenon "imaginable," yet exists in a "non-local" context of reality (as does God, btw) and is thus invisible from the perspective of that which has been created.

At least you admitted that you were just loosely playing with words and concepts, here. Which was more or less just you also 'looking for' words and concepts that you hope will somehow back up and support your already held onto beliefs, here.

Easy-peasy!

The problem is that we are still stuck with the utterly intractable mystery of how God and the noumenal-like essence that God uses to create reality, came into existence?

I have already explained, exactly, this previous, 'mystery'. Which I also have the irrefutable proof for, as well.

To which I have often proclaimed to be a mystery so profound and unresolvable that I wonder if even God knows the answer?

LOL

And no, I am simply not buying the proposition that the Creator of this one particular universe that gave birth to our minds, has been in existence as far back as eternity itself. So don't even go there.
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There is no such thing as 'our minds', and while you are refusing to accept this irrefutable Fact, this means that you will take a completely unnecessary duration until you 'catch up' to what the other actual Facts are, here.

[Immanuel Can]

The coexistence of something and nothing is illogical.

Sorry...you've already made a mental mistake. You're supposing that "nothing" is a "thing." (See the word "co-exist" -- that implies that you're anticipating the existence of a "nothing," and criticizing the "nothing" for "not existing.") But "nothing," literally no + thing, is not a thing-in-itself, but rather an absence. And absences don't "coexist." They never exist at all. They're void.

[Many are] basically conveying the idea that nonexistence, which has no basis, no identifiable basis as it is not and cannot be, extends or reveals itself conceptually through the terms nothingness and nonexistence. The argument literally has no basis.

These "many" don't know what they're saying, if they do this. So I don't think it's true at all.

...nothingness is an abstraction...

No, it's a negation. It's a claim of absence. It literally refers to the non-being of all other things.

Many claim without consciousness, without thought there is nothingness.

No, I think nobody claims this. It's a weird claim.

[Many] speak as if nonexistence is interwoven with existence, intimately connected, coexisting as “conjoined twins”.

Again, I don't know any person who says anything so silly.

I think you're beating the stuffing out of straw men here. Nobody thinks any of these things. "Most people," if they think about it at all, know automatically that if you say, "There's nothing in the room," then you mean there aren't any things in that room at all, and no more than that.

Honestly, I think your big mistake is right at the start: the mistaking of the term "nothing" for a "thing" that people ought to expect to "coexist" with other things, but fails to do so, according to your argument. But "nothing" doesn't "exist" at all, doesn't "coexist," and can't be expected to do so. So when it does not, it surprises nobody...

The whole thing is premised on a category error you're making.

[Age]

The Catholic Bible, in Latin, says "ex nihilo." Hebrews says, "things not seen."

Are you referring to Maccabees?

No. Genesis. But Roman 4:17 and Col. 1:16 would need explanation. There's certainly plenty of indication that whatever exists -- and that seems to mean absolutely everything, including any secondary substance from which other things were created, was made by God.

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Are you absolutely sure that there is certainly plenty of 'indication', (whatever that means), that whatever exists was made by a 'thing', with male genitalia?

If yes, then what are some of those, supposed and alleged, 'plenty of indications', exactly.

Now, if you do not just answer and clarify, here, once again, then, once more, you do not provide absolutely any thing when you are questioned and challenged over your claims and beliefs. Which is a sign that your beliefs and claims can not even be backed up nor supported in any way whatsoever.

So if nothing is excluded from that description, you have "ex nihilo." It's deductive, but certainly warranted.

Even when someone provides you with the actual words that absolutely refute 'your claim' you still can not 'see' and understand them.

Which, again, is just further proof of how 'these people', here, were being absolutely blinded by their own beliefs.

I'm not aware of any particular doctrine or even any interesting question that attaches to the "ex nihilo" wording the Catholics prefer. So again, what impresses you about all this?

And, once more, 'this one' attempts further deflection, through deception, which could be considered the highest form of 'evil', in 'the world'.

[Senad Dizdarevic]

Thank you for your reply. However not all gods are supernatural.
* Jahweh walked and talked with humans at one time.

* polytheistic pantheons contained gods who mingled with humans e.g. Zeus fathered children by human women whom he seduced.

I agree, but they are all mythical.

True.
Another point; how can ruling elites keep control unless there is some variety of higher authority than human power?

That is not necessarily connected, but in our case, it is.

While there is no "higher authority" in the form of a Supreme Being like god, there was the Karmic organization that had almost absolute control over us. If it were absolute, I couldn't exit their Matrix and find out the truth about them, organize a multidimensional team, and end them. I know it sounds fantasy, that's why I am offering you the way to check and confirm it with lucid dreaming. The karmicons were the Masters of Life and Death. They created us, and they destroyed us. They killed all humans and animals that ever lived.

The karmicons gave us many signs to recognize their nasty Game.

One of them is The Matrix movie series. It is not the only one; there are many speaking about their creators. You must know that they created all movies, books, and newspapers (except mine after my awakening into Pure Awareness), even a hundred years before the birth of the Earth "author", put it in the incarnational script, so the "author" will "create" them later in his life.

Another sign is their duality pattern of Evil and Good, the "karma"of yin and yang, "cosmic balance".

Here is their dark and cynical, sadistic humour: they appointed as presidents mentally ill persons like Trump, Putin, Kim Jong Un, and many other dictators to rule the states. This alone should be an alarming sign that something is wrong on this planet. But, because people are heavily programmed and sedated, they even support, praise, and vote for their own oppressors.

[Senad Dizdarevic]

I reply to the original post:-

But there were no atheists until the last few hundred years. There is no recorded history of people who did not believe in the existence of God or gods until the last few hundred years.

Hi, I asked AI Copilot for some of the sources:

Ancient Atheists and Non-Believers

1. University of Cambridge Study

Tim Whitmarsh, Professor of Greek Culture, argues that atheism is as natural to humans as religion. His research shows that ancient societies tolerated and even embraced atheistic thought, especially in polytheistic cultures like Greece and Rome.
“People in the ancient world did not always believe in the gods… atheists thrived in the polytheistic societies of the ancient world.”

Source: https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/dis ... s-religion

2. Battling the Gods: Atheism in the Ancient World

This book by Tim Whitmarsh explores ancient Greek thinkers who rejected divine authority. Key figures include:

• Diagoras of Melos – openly mocked religion and was labeled “the first atheist.”
• Theodorus the Atheist – denied the existence of gods and was exiled for his views.
• Democritus – proposed a materialist universe without divine intervention.

Source: https://www.worldhistory.org/review/180 ... ent-world/

3. Wikipedia: History of Atheism

The entry outlines how explicit atheism dates back to ancient India, China, and Greece. Philosophers like Charvaka in India and Xunzi in China rejected supernatural beliefs.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_atheism

The karmicons, energy beings, and humans from higher dimensions, and members of the Evil Karmic Organization, believed that the universe is in balance between Good and Evil. They created our part of the cosmos in a dialectical form of dual opposition - yin-yang, white and black, theists and atheists, to establish the "balance" between opposing forces.

They were Evil, so they made a step further and intentionally created conflicts between the oppositions to produce negative energy. Read more about the Karmic Organization here: https://god-doesntexist.com/the-karmic- ... the-truth/

The karmicons also created all religions, gods, and faiths, including Yahweh, Jesus (who never existed as a real person), angels, and Satan and demons. If you start observing the world, you will see this dual pattern. If you want to check my statement, I suggest you learn lucid dreaming and use it to meet inhabitants of other planets you dream with every night.

They will tell you that I am telling the truth, and that incarnations are ended. What does that mean? People from the higher planets were forcibly incarnated into people from lower planets. Earth is the lowest, and that is the reason we didn't incarnate. Before incarnation, the karmicons created plans and karmic scripts for the incarnants with details from birth to death. They predetermined everything - thoughts, feelings and emotions, words, and acts. All of them.

Part of the karmic script was also religious orientation. Religious believers on Earth believe in god because the karmicons programmed them to believe. The atheist on Earth doesn't believe in god because the karmicons did not program them to believe in him.

Learn to lucid dream and ask people from other planets about incarnations - if they were forced to go and if they have ended. Here is the article with explanations and exercises: https://god-doesntexist.com/lucid-dream ... in-dreams/

If you want, I will assist you gladly.

By the way, in my book series, I present three objective pieces of evidence and one subjective, experiential. I have decades-long and regular communication with the karmicons, and I know they created all religions, gods, and faiths as part of the incarnational scripts for incarnants who were forcibly incarnated on lower humans' baby bodies.

Religious believers believe that their god movie is real, while I know that it is just a movie, as I know the scriptwriters and directors who created them and their movie.

Remember The Matrix? That's it, a planetary Simulation.

Luckily, the karmicons' Drama is running out, and the day is coming when we, the new Cosmic Administration, https://god-doesntexist.com/cosmic-administration/, will present you the Truth, together with material evidence and concrete persons that created Earth, and in our case, all of its' religions, gods, and faiths, and programmed believers to believe in fairy tales.

Greetings Senad and welcome to the PN loon asylum.

I see that you've already met a few of my fellow patients.

In order to save you from losing a few precious brain cells, I was going to warn you about patient Age who seems to believe that he is channeling an incorporeal intelligence who inspired the writing of the Bible way back when,...

...however,...

(and I mean you no offense, for it would be hypocritical of me [based on my own whacky assertions] not to be open-minded to all possibilities)

...I nevertheless see that you, with this "karmicons" business, could give Age a run for his money.

Again, I don't mean to come off as ridiculing or summarily dismissing your claim,...

...however, if you are going to insist that it is impossible for God to have come into existence from "nothingness" or "somethingness" or whatever it was that gave rise to his (her/its) being,...

...then perhaps if you could give a quick explanation as to how (and from what) these "karmicons" came into existence, it would help clarify your argument.

(P.S., for future reference, if you are going to quote Copilot, or any other chatbot, it would help if you clearly indicate where the quote ends.)
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Thank you, you are very kind.



Age has already started to deconstruct his god, so he is halfway to becoming an atheist. He said that his god didn't create the universe from nothing, and that he is not eternal. I will recap his, for most of the Christians, heretic position, in another post.

I understand him and his obsessive fixation that god exists. He is not the only one. Religion is a madhouse, and faith is a mental illness.

We can see the harmful effects of karmic programming everywhere. Besides religious believers, we also have violent persons, sadistic torturers, and addicts who are literally destroying themselves, thinking that that is good for them. They even pay for their poison and financing their illness.

A person who impersonates god and gives Age a false impression of being the "God's chosen one" is just a human from another planet, a karmicon, a karmic con, who is executing part of the karmic script for Age. He is two to three meters above and in front of him, watching him constantly, hearing and feeling everything Age experiences.

I know that my statements about karmicons sound like fantasy. I don't expect you to believe me on my word. We don't need another religion.

That is why I offer a way to check and confirm them.

Every science has its own research methods. Philosophers think. Astronomers observe. Architects digg.

Luckily, and for the time present, there is a superb and easy method to meet inhabitants of other planets and check my statements. Learn to lucid dream and personally meet people from other planets you already dream with every night. Here is the explanation and exercises: https://god-doesntexist.com/lucid-dream ... in-dreams/

I will gladly assist you with your training and research.

There are millions of lucid dreamers on Earth, but they use it for fun, flying, jumping, and playing. There is also the Monroe Institute researching this ability for decades.

Learn and use it to meet inhabitants from other planets. Ask them the questions from my article, and you will realize what is going on and understand that I am telling the truth.

I did not say that "it is impossible for God to have come into existence from "nothingness" or "somethingness" or whatever it was that gave rise to his (her/its) being".

I said that god as Creator of the Universe does not exist because that is not possible - to create Something out of nothing is not possible.

The karmicons, energy beings, and humans from higher dimensions and planets came into existence the same as everybody else.

Existence, not Creation, is eternal. That means that it was never created and will never be destroyed. That also means that everything and everybody in Existence is also eternal.

We never came into existence; we are eternally present in our timeline - in our part of Existence. In one moment, we became conscious (partially during the pregnancy, and fully after birth), and in another moment we lost consciousness (in the Karmic System, they transformed lower humans to their incarnants - humans from the higher planets who were forcibly incarnated into them - after one-week life review on computer tablets - and they lost their personal consciousness, and "died" the second death.

Or in short, people who died on Earth were alive and conscious one week before the karmicons killed them again and transformed them into their incarnants. They left their physical body on Earth and continue in their energy body. That is the same action we perform every night when we dream, exiting the physical body with our energy body.

Existence is Eternal, think about the implications ...

I usually mark quotes; in the above case, it ends with the "Source:".

[Age]

Colossians 1:16 states:

“For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him”.

This refers to created things (“all things created”), the heaven and the earth, the universe, creation. It does not necessarily refer to all of existence, including God.

Well, of course not: God is not a created Being. And nobody thinks that's what "God" means. But it means that every created thing was created by God. Again, I'm not seeing your point.

And, once again, you can not see 'the point' because you are completely blind, and not just because of your beliefs, alone, but also because of how your own beliefs are deceiving 'you', here, completely.

"daniel j lavender" was saying, and thus 'pointing out', that the Universe could not be created from 'nothing'. you claimed some thing like the Universe was or could have been created from nothing. "daniel j lavender"' then 'pointed out' that even if the Universe was created, (which It obviously was not nor could ever be, well not in 'the perception' that you posters have, here, anyway), then it would be impossible to be created 'from nothing' if the claim that the Universe was created from God is to be accepted. Now, 'the point' you are not seeing, here, "immanuel can" is that if God created the Universe, then God was 'before', and so then the Universe was created 'from God' and obviously not 'from nothing'.

[Senad Dizdarevic]

Yes, the Bible, the story of one man, a woman and a talking snake, and apples that confer knowledge upon being eaten. Great stuff. Right up there with stories about Santa Claus.

Don't misquote me: What I express is not myth. God does NOT exist because that is not possible.

Existence is eternal. When Something is eternal, Everything is eternal. Eternal means that it was never created. A person who transforms something into something is not god; we are doing it every day.

There are higher beings with fantastic abilities, but they are not gods.

The karmicons from the Evil Karmic Organization created all religions, gods, and faiths on Earth. They also wrote all incarnational scripts for our lives. Religious believers believe in god because they are programmed to believe. Same for atheists - they don't believe in god because they weren't programmed to believe. Read more about the karmicons and have to check my statements: https://god-doesntexist.com/the-karmic- ... the-truth/

Sounds pretty whacky.

I know that my statements about karmicons sound like fantasy. I don't expect you to believe me on my word. We don't need another religion.

That is why I offer a way to check and confirm them.

Every science has its own research methods. Philosophers think. Astronomers observe. Architects digg.

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[Senad Dizdarevic]

You can't prove that something doesn't exist. That's the whole point. The only possible 'evidence' for non-existence is a lack of evidence. 'God' isn't supposed to provide evidence either. That's what the word 'faith' is all about. This is probably the most ridiculous thread title to date.

I don’t often (ever?) agree with you, but you’ve summed up the whole business here. BTW, that is why I am an agnostic. I suppose theists as well as atheists could cite the same reasons.

Yes, you can. It is enough to prove that something can not exist. In this case, god can not exist as a Creator god who created Something from Nothing. That means that he does not exist.

Believers claim that the omnigod is Everything. They say that is the Evidence of his existence.

If he is not to provide evidence, why did he create the World at all?

This is just a theoretical question, as god does not exist because that is not possible.

Christian apologists like Frank Turek translate faith as trust. In this case, god could exist; his believers would know him and have trust in him.

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