New Discovery

[peacegirl]

Sorry, here is the link: AI will erase 300 million jobs by 2030. Do this now to survive!

https://youtu.be/sl6bq1iC56Y?si=xg7HcU86PZ7LNRPc

[Belinda]

Besides not having emotional intelligence, it did not do a good job because it was unable to explain the reasoning behind the claim. You don't have to defend AI. It works in many instances. I use it a lot, but it has its limitations. That is where actual human intelligence comes into play. AI can never replace human intelligence and the correct interpretation. All it does is regurgitates what it has been given without context. It will lose this war between human and machine because we, as humans, have something that cannot be duplicated. There is no way a machine, no matter how advanced, can think like a human. It can mimic a human, but it cannot BE a human! Consequently, the nuances of an argument can only be detected by a human, not an algorithm. AI seems to have become the new god of modern times as a replacement for the true God (i.e., the source of everthing), which does not distinguish between one religious doctrine and another.

Cleverer people that I are working on an alternative to the neural network model for AI.
I wish Peacegirl could intelligibly precis Lessans's theory. I really do. PG, let's see the questions you asked ChatGPT. Because unless you ask answerable questions you won't get useful help from ChatGPT.

I didn't ask it to do anything. It offered a summary, and it missed the boat. I'm sure AI can do many things faster and more efficiently than humans by its sheer speed (which will cut the middleman out of many jobs), but I don't think it will supersede human intelligence to the point where our intelligence becomes obsolete. Entrepreneurs and content creators will be using AI tools and will make huge profits by adapting. Technological progress is inevitable and will lead to entirely new categories of skills. This guy breaks it down into digestible form. It's a lot to take in but very informative. I want to add that AI cannot help Lessans here because AI uses patterns that it recognizes. There is no pattern that AI can find when it comes to this discovery because it is new and without precedent; consequently, there is no pattern of recognition that can be found. Hopefully, in the future that will change.

https://youtu.be/nlud34ReQ-Q?si=U6caKFPsqB-S0B8q

Peacegirl wrote:-

This doctor supports the fact that, given our heredity, environment, and experiences, a person could not have done otherwise. He believes this understanding can help to let go of anger and unforgiveness which could lead to health problems. The difference between this mindset and living in the new world, is that in the new world there will be nothing left to forgive.

What you describe is eternity, a state of being in which there are no ego selves, no time, no force, and no space.

[peacegirl]

Cleverer people that I are working on an alternative to the neural network model for AI.
I wish Peacegirl could intelligibly precis Lessans's theory. I really do. PG, let's see the questions you asked ChatGPT. Because unless you ask answerable questions you won't get useful help from ChatGPT.

I didn't ask it to do anything. It offered a summary, and it missed the boat. I'm sure AI can do many things faster and more efficiently than humans by its sheer speed (which will cut the middleman out of many jobs), but I don't think it will supersede human intelligence to the point where our intelligence becomes obsolete. Entrepreneurs and content creators will be using AI tools and will make huge profits by adapting. Technological progress is inevitable and will lead to entirely new categories of skills. This guy breaks it down into digestible form. It's a lot to take in but very informative. I want to add that AI cannot help Lessans here because AI uses patterns that it recognizes. There is no pattern that AI can find when it comes to this discovery because it is new and without precedent; consequently, there is no pattern of recognition that can be found. Hopefully, in the future that will change.

https://youtu.be/nlud34ReQ-Q?si=U6caKFPsqB-S0B8q

Peacegirl wrote:-

This doctor supports the fact that, given our heredity, environment, and experiences, a person could not have done otherwise. He believes this understanding can help to let go of anger and unforgiveness which could lead to health problems. The difference between this mindset and living in the new world, is that in the new world there will be nothing left to forgive.

What you describe is eternity, a state of being in which there are no ego selves, no time, no force, and no space.

No ego selves? What does that even mean? No time? No force? No space? Where did you come to this conclusion?

[Belinda]

I didn't ask it to do anything. It offered a summary, and it missed the boat. I'm sure AI can do many things faster and more efficiently than humans by its sheer speed (which will cut the middleman out of many jobs), but I don't think it will supersede human intelligence to the point where our intelligence becomes obsolete. Entrepreneurs and content creators will be using AI tools and will make huge profits by adapting. Technological progress is inevitable and will lead to entirely new categories of skills. This guy breaks it down into digestible form. It's a lot to take in but very informative. I want to add that AI cannot help Lessans here because AI uses patterns that it recognizes. There is no pattern that AI can find when it comes to this discovery because it is new and without precedent; consequently, there is no pattern of recognition that can be found. Hopefully, in the future that will change.

https://youtu.be/nlud34ReQ-Q?si=U6caKFPsqB-S0B8q

Peacegirl wrote:-

This doctor supports the fact that, given our heredity, environment, and experiences, a person could not have done otherwise. He believes this understanding can help to let go of anger and unforgiveness which could lead to health problems. The difference between this mindset and living in the new world, is that in the new world there will be nothing left to forgive.

What you describe is eternity, a state of being in which there are no ego selves, no time, no force, and no space.

No ego selves? What does that even mean? No time? No force? No space? Where did you come to this conclusion?

Time, space, and force are needed instinctively by all animals. However time, space, and force do not necessarily exist because of animals' needs.

Similarly with the sense of self, which is often referred to as ego, or ego-self. No animal can live without ego -sense unless it is cared for by another animal or animals.

[Belinda]

Peacegirl wrote:-



What you describe is eternity, a state of being in which there are no ego selves, no time, no force, and no space.

No ego selves? What does that even mean? No time? No force? No space? Where did you come to this conclusion?

Time, space, and force are needed instinctively by all animals. However time, space, and force do not necessarily exist because of animals' needs.

Similarly with the sense of self, which is often referred to as ego, or ego-self. No animal can live without ego -sense unless it is cared for by another animal or animals.

This world we all know is a relative world . Time, space, force, and ego-sense can all be measured or 'quantified'. Eternity is a state of being that does not include quantity.

Thanks for the opportunity to think and explain.

[peacegirl]

Peacegirl wrote:-



What you describe is eternity, a state of being in which there are no ego selves, no time, no force, and no space.

No ego selves? What does that even mean? No time? No force? No space? Where did you come to this conclusion?

Time, space, and force are needed instinctively by all animals. However time, space, and force do not necessarily exist because of animals' needs.

Where are time, space, and force being challenged other than his explanation as to why time is not a dimension. It is the measurement of change from one point to another. Force is confusing in that you did not clarify what you meant. Are you talking about physics or force as being externally made to do something? Finally, where has anything been mentioned regarding space in this entire thread?

Similarly with the sense of self, which is often referred to as ego, or ego-self. No animal can live without ego -sense unless it is cared for by another animal or animals.

This discovery does not dispute these charges. Animal's needs are animal's needs (i.e., a tautology, but one that is not useless; it just needs clarification). A sense of self is a very important part of this demonstration, for if we don't have a sense of self, how can we take responsibility for what we do? The term "ego" is usually thought of as being "egotistical," which is why we have to be extremely careful with how we use and define words. Let's stick with the topic and not go off onto tangents, such as bringing in "eternity," which will only lead to more confusion when it isn't necessary for proof of this concept.

[Belinda]

No ego selves? What does that even mean? No time? No force? No space? Where did you come to this conclusion?

Time, space, and force are needed instinctively by all animals. However time, space, and force do not necessarily exist because of animals' needs.

Where are time, space, and force being challenged other than his explanation as to why time is not a dimension. It is the measurement of change from one point to another. Force is confusing in that you did not clarify what you meant. Are you talking about physics or force as being externally made to do something? Finally, where has anything been mentioned regarding space in this entire thread?

Similarly with the sense of self, which is often referred to as ego, or ego-self. No animal can live without ego -sense unless it is cared for by another animal or animals.

This discovery does not dispute these charges. Animal's needs are animal's needs (i.e., a tautology, but one that is not useless; it just needs clarification). A sense of self is a very important part of this demonstration, for if we don't have a sense of self, how can we take responsibility for what we do? The term "ego" is usually thought of as being "egotistical," which is why we have to be extremely careful with how we use and define words. Let's stick with the topic and not go off onto tangents, such as bringing in "eternity," which will only lead to more confusion when it isn't necessary for proof of this concept.

Each of us has to think at his or her own pace. I think of eternity: you don't. So be it. I hope you can cope with that. We value free speech and each has the right to talk about eternity if we want to do so.
I understand the problem with the popular evaluative usage with the word 'ego'.
I expect people on a philosophy forum will use the word in the psychological sense.

We need to feel that we are separate beings from each other because if we didn't feel we are separate ----with our own peculiar needs---- we would not be able to feed or shelter ourselves as all our energies would be directed elsewhere.

We evaluate the ego self relative to others' needs. I have little doubt that dinosaurs did not consider others' needs at all.

When I mentioned force I meant physical force. Time, space, and force are the physical dimensions that apply to the physical world we live in.

I first came to these conclusions at university, and have been developing them at irregular intervals ever since.

[Belinda]

Cleverer people that I are working on an alternative to the neural network model for AI.
I wish Peacegirl could intelligibly precis Lessans's theory. I really do. PG, let's see the questions you asked ChatGPT. Because unless you ask answerable questions you won't get useful help from ChatGPT.

I didn't ask it to do anything. It offered a summary, and it missed the boat. I'm sure AI can do many things faster and more efficiently than humans by its sheer speed (which will cut the middleman out of many jobs), but I don't think it will supersede human intelligence to the point where our intelligence becomes obsolete. Entrepreneurs and content creators will be using AI tools and will make huge profits by adapting. Technological progress is inevitable and will lead to entirely new categories of skills. This guy breaks it down into digestible form. It's a lot to take in but very informative. I want to add that AI cannot help Lessans here because AI uses patterns that it recognizes. There is no pattern that AI can find when it comes to this discovery because it is new and without precedent; consequently, there is no pattern of recognition that can be found. Hopefully, in the future that will change.

https://youtu.be/nlud34ReQ-Q?si=U6caKFPsqB-S0B8q

Peacegirl wrote:-

This doctor supports the fact that, given our heredity, environment, and experiences, a person could not have done otherwise. He believes this understanding can help to let go of anger and unforgiveness which could lead to health problems. The difference between this mindset and living in the new world, is that in the new world there will be nothing left to forgive.

What you describe is eternity, a state of being in which there are no ego selves, no time, no force, and no space.

No. Unless you asked ChatGPT to do something it would be inert, so" I didn't ask it to do anything. It offered a summary, and it missed the boat." (Peacegirl) is nonsense. Chat can't offer anything of its own volition it is a machine.

[promethean75]

Don't ask Chap GPT about freewill because he can't experience the illusion of it like us. His brain is too fast. It's due to a time lapse that happens during information routing in the brain (see Libet) that the experience of freewill can take place. Ionized particles travel slower across organic tissue than they do over synthetic circuit material. That's why the timing's all fucked up and we believe we chose to stand up when we thought the words "kay I'm gonna stand up now".

[peacegirl]

Time, space, and force are needed instinctively by all animals. However time, space, and force do not necessarily exist because of animals' needs.

Where are time, space, and force being challenged other than his explanation as to why time is not a dimension. It is the measurement of change from one point to another. Force is confusing in that you did not clarify what you meant. Are you talking about physics or force as being externally made to do something? Finally, where has anything been mentioned regarding space in this entire thread?

BELINDA: Each of us has to think at his or her own pace.

PEACEGIRL: True.

BELINDA: I think of eternity: you don't. So be it. I hope you can cope with that. We value free speech and each has the right to talk about eternity if we want to do so.

PEACEGIRL: I think about eternity also, but that is not the purpose of this thread. I am not telling you what to think. I'm just not interested in talking about eternity when eliminating war and crime are more pressing issues and the reason for this thread.

BELINDA: I understand the problem with the popular evaluative usage with the word 'ego'.
I expect people on a philosophy forum will use the word in the psychological sense.

PEACEGIRL: Not everyone knows the definitions used on philosophy forums. There was nothing wrong with my wanting clarification.



BELINDA: We need to feel that we are separate beings from each other because if we didn't feel we are separate ----with our own peculiar needs---- we would not be able to feed or shelter ourselves as all our energies would be directed elsewhere.

PEACEGIRL: I agree. Self-preservation is the first law of nature.

BELINDA: We evaluate the ego self relative to others' needs. I have little doubt that dinosaurs did not consider others' needs at all.

PEACEGIRL: Okay, so how does this relate to the discovery I'm sharing? Going off onto tangents is not helping.

BELINDA: When I mentioned force I meant physical force. Time, space, and force are the physical dimensions that apply to the physical world we live in.

PEACEGIRL: What was the purpose of bringing this up as it relates to this thread?

BELINDA: I first came to these conclusions at university, and have been developing them at irregular intervals ever since.

PEACEGIRL: I'm happy that you are developing at irregular intervals from your conclusions at university. I just don't know how any of this relates to what this thread is about.

[peacegirl]

I didn't ask it to do anything. It offered a summary, and it missed the boat. I'm sure AI can do many things faster and more efficiently than humans by its sheer speed (which will cut the middleman out of many jobs), but I don't think it will supersede human intelligence to the point where our intelligence becomes obsolete. Entrepreneurs and content creators will be using AI tools and will make huge profits by adapting. Technological progress is inevitable and will lead to entirely new categories of skills. This guy breaks it down into digestible form. It's a lot to take in but very informative. I want to add that AI cannot help Lessans here because AI uses patterns that it recognizes. There is no pattern that AI can find when it comes to this discovery because it is new and without precedent; consequently, there is no pattern of recognition that can be found. Hopefully, in the future that will change.

https://youtu.be/nlud34ReQ-Q?si=U6caKFPsqB-S0B8q

Peacegirl wrote:-

This doctor supports the fact that, given our heredity, environment, and experiences, a person could not have done otherwise. He believes this understanding can help to let go of anger and unforgiveness which could lead to health problems. The difference between this mindset and living in the new world, is that in the new world there will be nothing left to forgive.

What you describe is eternity, a state of being in which there are no ego selves, no time, no force, and no space.

No. Unless you asked ChatGPT to do something it would be inert, so" I didn't ask it to do anything. It offered a summary, and it missed the boat." (Peacegirl) is nonsense. Chat can't offer anything of its own volition it is a machine.

It asked if I wanted a summary of the first three chapters in my word document. I clicked okay not knowing what it would say. It gave an overview of the purpose of the book, which was decent, but it did not explain the actual discovery, which it did not know how to explain or just missed entirely. You’re right, it’s a machine and, as such, cannot always think or summarize like a human can.

[peacegirl]

Don't ask Chap GPT about freewill because he can't experience the illusion of it like us. His brain is too fast. It's due to a time lapse that happens during information routing in the brain (see Libet) that the experience of freewill can take place. Ionized particles travel slower across organic tissue than they do over synthetic circuit material. That's why the timing's all fucked up and we believe we chose to stand up when we thought the words "kay I'm gonna stand up now".

I never quite understood how the Libet experiment can absolve someone of responsibility due to a separation between his brain and his actions. It certainly wouldn't do any good in a court of law because it would allow the defense lawyer to say, "It wasn't my client's responsibility for killing that person; it was his brain that made the decision. He had nothing to do with it; he was just a passive respondent with no accountability." It sounds schizophrenic to me.

[peacegirl]

For any parent concerned about AI and its negative influence, listen to this guy. This is not a joke!

https://youtu.be/zybj55roGzA?si=CWoaGYoRTIXRhAzk

[Belinda]

The "purpose of this thread" is not what Peacegirl says it must be. Once your thoughts are posted your thoughts are public and individuals use your ideas as they wish. Your thoughts and ideas on the forum are not your intellectual property.

Lessans's theory does not interest me except as a bone of contention.

[Belinda]

Don't ask Chap GPT about freewill because he can't experience the illusion of it like us. His brain is too fast. It's due to a time lapse that happens during information routing in the brain (see Libet) that the experience of freewill can take place. Ionized particles travel slower across organic tissue than they do over synthetic circuit material. That's why the timing's all fucked up and we believe we chose to stand up when we thought the words "kay I'm gonna stand up now".

I never quite understood how the Libet experiment can absolve someone of responsibility due to a separation between his brain and his actions. It certainly wouldn't do any good in a court of law because it would allow the defense lawyer to say, "It wasn't my client's responsibility for killing that person; it was his brain that made the decision. He had nothing to do with it; he was just a passive respondent with no accountability." It sounds schizophrenic to me.

In the law court some judges more than others allow more weight to extenuating circumstances.