Gaza Crisis: Are we morally wrong?

[accelafine]

And those countries are renowned for their adherence to human rights You are such a weirdo. Have you heaved your hypocritical arse out of the US yet?

[popeye1945]

And those countries are renowned for their adherence to human rights You are such a weirdo. Have you heaved your hypocritical arse out of the US yet?

A wonderful counter argument, did you formulate it at the bar?

[accelafine]

And those countries are renowned for their adherence to human rights You are such a weirdo. Have you heaved your hypocritical arse out of the US yet?

A wonderful counter argument, did you formulate it at the bar?

Is the bar where you ordered your limp word salad?

[popeye1945]

And those countries are renowned for their adherence to human rights You are such a weirdo. Have you heaved your hypocritical arse out of the US yet?

A wonderful counter argument, did you formulate it at the bar?

Is the bar where you ordered your limp word salad?

Wonderful content----lol!

[Atla]

Good thing the Dutch never had any colonies.

[popeye1945]

Good thing the Dutch never had any colonies.

DUH!

[Atla]

Good thing the Dutch never had any colonies.

DUH!

Imagine if the Dutch immigration policy today would work partially because the country's colonial history made the country richer than it should be, for centuries. As a result even today they have more wealth than they should, so they can get away with extreme multiculturalism, they can just throw money at everything before it becomes a major problem. But this may not last forever.

The solution? Bring in dictators and mass murderers like Putin. Amirite?

[accelafine]

We have to answer it regarding the immediate war, and moreover as immediately as humanly possible in order to gain the result of stopping Israeli aggression, Hamas is not an immediate problem. Immediacy is the clue to what is the best moral stance.

Is that an argument for a strange sort of RELATIVE morality?

Hamas not an immediate threat to you, so it would be wrong for you to wage war against Hamas. But wait a minute, it's not YOUR actions that are in question. You are not making war on anybody.

Is Hamas an immediate threat to an Israeli? Certainly would seem so post 10/7.

BUT, because YOU are not threatened by Hamas you are saying that wrong for an Israeli to make war on Hamas?

Israel is a settler colonial state, and as with all colonial powers, it affected its state through violence. It took three different Israeli terror groups to terrorize the British and get them to leave. The West and the British in particular recognized Israel's legality, which they had no legal grounds to do. People in the West are subjected to the most powerful propaganda machine the world has ever known, that of the Israeli/American propaganda machine. At this point in the drama, the world knows that Israel has usurped the American Congress, and together they are engaged in not war, but genocide. They stand together and will fall together. They are now rogue states to the world at large, with no moral foundation to stand on, but they put the whole world in jeopardy with their endless wars. Are the West and Israel moral? No, genocide is never moral, and both have an ongoing history of practicing genocide.DEATH TO ISRAEL, AND PISS ON ITS GRAVE!

[popeye1945]

Good thing the Dutch never had any colonies.

DUH!

Imagine if the Dutch immigration policy today would work partially because the country's colonial history made the country richer than it should be, for centuries. As a result even today they have more wealth than they should, so they can get away with extreme multiculturalism, they can just throw money at everything before it becomes a major problem. But this may not last forever.

The solution? Bring in dictators and mass murderers like Putin. Amirite?

The only thing that restrained the Dutch was more powerful, greedier, and more ruthless European colonialists, with a god that encouraged their inhumanity. That mindset concretizes in the Western mind in the fifteenth century and is alive and well today in America and the West in general. You have the good guys and the bad guys confused.

[accelafine]

DUH!

Imagine if the Dutch immigration policy today would work partially because the country's colonial history made the country richer than it should be, for centuries. As a result even today they have more wealth than they should, so they can get away with extreme multiculturalism, they can just throw money at everything before it becomes a major problem. But this may not last forever.

The solution? Bring in dictators and mass murderers like Putin. Amirite?

The only thing that restrained the Dutch was more powerful, greedier, and more ruthless European colonialists, with a god that encouraged their inhumanity. That mindset concretizes in the Western mind in the fifteenth century and is alive and well today in America and the West in general. You have the good guys and the bad guys confused.

You hate 'the West' (what does that even mean?) and Israel so much then get off your computer and throw away your smart phone you revolting hypocrite. Go back to the jungle, to the place where humans first evolved before they 'colonised', and with a bit of luck a marauding tribe of chimps will tear you limb from limb.

[Impenitent]

Good thing the Dutch never had any colonies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Amsterdam

not for long anyway...

-Imp

[Phil8659]

What if we (Americans) are morally wrong to back Israel and enable Israel's campaign in Gaza? What if Israel is morally wrong in its conduct of the war against Gaza? Then what? Do we keep doing what we are doing even though it would be morally wrong to do so? What would be said of us in the end? Would it not matter? What would God think of us? Would it not matter?

https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2024 ... ia-incited

Finally, the question: ARE we morally wrong? Is Israel morally wrong? And how can we know or find out an answer to that question in the middle of a war?

Please explain to everybody what the different kinds of wrong there are and how are they differentiated. Starting with defining wrong and right, what are relative to some end. What is that end, what is the purpose of the judgement, how is that judgment arrived at, etc.
A judgment which produces behavior is either right or wrong in accordance with some standard of achievement, so what the fuck is moral right or wrong?

Or is being a professional windbag more satisfying?

[MikeNovack]

Good thing the Dutch never had any colonies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Amsterdam
not for long anyway...
-Imp

Both of you please recheck history. Dutch colonial history was 17th to 20t Century. 300-400 years is not a short time Just because a few of them (like New Amsterdam) were short lived doesn't mean all of them were.

[Gary Childress]

What if we (Americans) are morally wrong to back Israel and enable Israel's campaign in Gaza? What if Israel is morally wrong in its conduct of the war against Gaza? Then what? Do we keep doing what we are doing even though it would be morally wrong to do so? What would be said of us in the end? Would it not matter? What would God think of us? Would it not matter?

https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2024 ... ia-incited

Finally, the question: ARE we morally wrong? Is Israel morally wrong? And how can we know or find out an answer to that question in the middle of a war?

Please explain to everybody what the different kinds of wrong there are and how are they differentiated. Starting with defining wrong and right, what are relative to some end. What is that end, what is the purpose of the judgement, how is that judgment arrived at, etc.
A judgment which produces behavior is either right or wrong in accordance with some standard of achievement, so what the fuck is moral right or wrong?

Or is being a professional windbag more satisfying?

Death and mass destruction of human beings is a moral wrong. Do you agree or do you disagree?

[Phil8659]

What if we (Americans) are morally wrong to back Israel and enable Israel's campaign in Gaza? What if Israel is morally wrong in its conduct of the war against Gaza? Then what? Do we keep doing what we are doing even though it would be morally wrong to do so? What would be said of us in the end? Would it not matter? What would God think of us? Would it not matter?

https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2024 ... ia-incited

Finally, the question: ARE we morally wrong? Is Israel morally wrong? And how can we know or find out an answer to that question in the middle of a war?

Please explain to everybody what the different kinds of wrong there are and how are they differentiated. Starting with defining wrong and right, what are relative to some end. What is that end, what is the purpose of the judgement, how is that judgment arrived at, etc.
A judgment which produces behavior is either right or wrong in accordance with some standard of achievement, so what the fuck is moral right or wrong?

Or is being a professional windbag more satisfying?

Death and mass destruction of human beings is a moral wrong. Do you agree or do you disagree?

No I do not. As a mind has only one job to do, only one means of doing that job. I just call those with the mental handicap of illiteracy, savages who, if they knew something was wrong, would simply not do it
A congenital defect is not a moral wrong. It is lack of biological development. Do you call anyone born with a handicap a moral wrong, or a genetic defect? People do right and wrong because they are either intelligent, or stupid. That is not a moral issue, but a great deal of which is a social and educational issue.