Gary's Corner

[Age]

Can a mass murderer be "saved" if he repents and "accepts" Jesus in the end? Can an ordinary, average person who hasn't done much harm to anyone, be condemned to hell if they never "accept" Jesus?

Are you aware "gary childress" that your 'interpretations' of words like 'saved', 'accepts', "jesus", and 'hell' could be partly or fully incompatible with what those words actually were intended to mean and were intended to be referring to?

And, thus why 'you' have such a 'conflict' with 'those words'?

According to (at the very least) some understandings of Christianity the answer seems to be "yes" on both accounts. That makes no sense to me.

Could 'that', 'some understandings of Christianity', itself, be misinterpreted, fully or partly, itself?

It seems to me that if a mass murderer can be "saved", then everyone ought to be saved.

What happens if the so-called "mass murderer", while 'mass murdering', actually 'killed' those who were, eventually, going to 'kill' everyone else. Then would it be 'right' to have 'saved' that "mass murderer", as 'it' just 'saved' everyone else?

Or if God is stingy and ordinary, average people aren't let into heaven, then only saints would be in heaven and everyone else may as well turn to mass murder for all the good it does them not to be mass murderers.

Again, could 'your own personal interpretations' of things, here, be so far off or so far skewed that you are not even on the 'right track' at all, here?

I've heard some Christians say the very thing which I've written above.

1. There is no actual 'thing' as a so-called "christian". And, if absolutely any one wants to say, claim, or believe otherwise, including obviously so-called "christians", "themselves", then 'I' invite 'you' to define what a "christian" is, exactly, and in 'a way' that everyone else could be in agreement with and acceptance of.

Until 'then' what you are referring to are some 'human bodies', with particular thoughts and/or beliefs within.

2. Just because some human beings who you and or others class as, and/or call, "christians" never ever means that why 'they' say is absolutely true, nor nor absolutely 'gospel', as others might say.

3. I have, for example, some human beings who call "themselves" "christians" refer to God, Itself, as a "he". Which obviously could not be any further from what could be and is the actual Truth of things.

I assume, "saved" means someone will go to heaven and not "saved" is being sent to hell.

Were you aware that the words, 'heaven', and, 'hell' is not 'some place', which 'is away', that one could get 'sent to'.

The words, 'heaven', and, 'hell' are in relation to 'this place', which you human beings are living on, namely, earth, and 'this place' or 'the way of life', which you human beings create for "yourselves".

See, if you human beings just do what is good and Right, only, in Life, Itself, then where you 'end up' is living in peace and harmony with one another, as One, or 'heaven' for short. Or, if you human beings keep doing what is bad and Wrong, along with some good and Right, then, in Life, Itself, then where you 'end up' is not living in peace and harmony with one another, as One, or in 'hell', for short.

The word, 'afterlife', has also been taken out of complete context with the misinterpretation 'passed on' down through the ages and generations, as well. The word, 'afterlife', just refers to 'after' you human beings stop living your greedy and selfish 'way of' 'life', then 'after' this 'way of life' has 'ended', then the 'new and much better peaceful and harmonious way of living' can begin. This 'new life', 'after', the 'old life' has disappeared and gone is where you human beings, collectively, will 'go to', and end up 'living in'.

The 'life' you human beings 'live now' is 'the life' your children, and future generations, will be 'sent to'. So, if you adult human beings are doing, only, what is good and Right, in Life, then you are 'sending your children, and those children's children, to 'heaven' instead of 'sending them to' 'hell'.

The words, 'heaven', 'hell', 'saved', and 'afterlife' are in regards to human beings collectively, and were never in regards to you human beings individually. you have only come to perceive and misinterpret those words as being in regards to you human beings individually because you have all been misguided, in Life, to think about and consider "your" own personal 'selves' over 'others'.

"Accepting" Jesus is to recognize Jesus as the one true incarnation of God/God himself. Not "accepting" Jesus is to doubt that Jesus is the one true incarnation of God/God himself.

The word, "jesus" although is referring to that one 'human being', was also intended to mean and refer to all children, themselves, as well. But, 'this knowledge and understanding' comes out and is much better understood with the 'second coming of jesus', itself.

I've heard Christians tell me flat out that the only requirement to be "saved" is to "accept" Jesus.

When you adult human beings 'accept' all children as "jesus", which just means that when you adult human beings 'listen' to and 'believe in' 'children', themselves, then they can, and will, 'grow up' and 'mature' to be-come, and be, God.

See, the younger a child/jesus is, and you, really, 'listen' to them and 'follow' then, then the more you will learn about 'life' and 'living', itself, and about what is actually Right, and Wrong, in Life, and the more you will learn and understand how 'to live', properly and Correctly, which will make and create a much 'better world'. or 'life', for every one, as One.

And so if a serial axe murderer accepts Jesus after being sorry ("repenting") for his crimes he is "saved" (will go to heaven).

If a so-called "christian" tells you that God has a male genitals, or calls God a "he", do you 'follow' and 'believe' 'this'?

Could you and so-called "christians" versions of 'accepting', 'repenting', 'saving', and 'heaven and hell' be in some way wrong or distorted from the actual meanings or intentions?

If yes, then if 'I' was 'you' 'I' would not just go on what 'others' say, nor believe.

But if a person who hasn't hurt anyone doesn't "accept" Jesus, then he will go to hell because he didn't accept Jesus.

Are you aware that the only reason you are far more focused on False and/or Wrong interpretations of just the "christian religion" mostly, is solely and only because of where and/or in 'what place' that you are 'now'?

I'm not saying that all Christians believe that, however, some do, they've told me so.

Okay.

And, some people believe that God, (or a big bang), created absolutely every thing at one absolutely moment, and out of absolutely no thing. So, is it, really, good to 'listen to' and/or 'believe' what some people are 'believing' and 'saying' "themselves"?

For it only takes a split second to 'think for one's self', as it is sometimes called, and to 'just consider' that if God created every thing at 'one moment', for example, 'back' when every thing was said to have been created, and begun, to realize that the 'way of life' you human beings are 'living in' 'now' could not have been created by God, at all.

It seems to me that if there is a heaven and a hell in some sort of afterlife, that it would be unjust to send an axe murder to heaven but send someone who hasn't hurt anyone to hell.

If you are 'trying to' claim, here, that there is an adult human being who has not hurt any one, then you can and will be, if wanted, shown and proved Wrong.

If, however, you are claiming that there are children who have not hurt any one, then that is a whole other matter, and which is very, very True. 'These ones', however, still go to 'the place' 'where' everyone else 'goes to' have a human body stops breathing and stops pumping blood. And, 'that place' is just remaining, here, on earth, and/or in this One and only Universe.

But that situation is possible according to some Christians because they see "accepting" Jesus as all that is required to be "saved" (go to heaven) but if you don't "accept" Jesus, then you are going to hell no matter what you did or didn't do in life.

Does that make sense to you Age?

That you are just repeating some 'things' that some other human beings have said, makes sense.

But, 'that', which you just re-repeated, does not make sense to me. Well not in 'the way' you, and them, have been misinterpretation 'those words' to mean.

Do you have any further questions about my terms?

No, why do you ask?

Are you able to clarify and/or elaborate any further?

If yes, then would you?

[ThinkOfOne]

I've heard some Christians say the very thing which I've written above. I assume, "saved" means someone will go to heaven and not "saved" is being sent to hell. "Accepting" Jesus is to recognize Jesus as the one true incarnation of God/God himself. Not "accepting" Jesus is to doubt that Jesus is the one true incarnation of God/God himself.

I've heard Christians tell me flat out that the only requirement to be "saved" is to "accept" Jesus. And so if a serial axe murderer accepts Jesus after being sorry ("repenting") for his crimes he is "saved" (will go to heaven). But if a person who hasn't hurt anyone doesn't "accept" Jesus, then he will go to hell because he didn't accept Jesus.

I'm not saying that all Christians believe that, however, some do, they've told me so.

It seems to me that if there is a heaven and a hell in some sort of afterlife, that it would be unjust to send an axe murder to heaven but send someone who hasn't hurt anyone to hell. But that situation is possible according to some Christians because they see "accepting" Jesus as all that is required to be "saved" (go to heaven) but if you don't "accept" Jesus, then you are going to hell no matter what you did or didn't do in life.

Does that make sense to you Age? Do you have any further questions about my terms?

"Accepting" Jesus is to recognize Jesus as the one true incarnation of God/God himself. Not "accepting" Jesus is to doubt that Jesus is the one true incarnation of God/God himself.

Ultimately "accepting" Jesus entails some variation of having faith that Jesus paid for your sins: past, present and future. Though some denominations also add things like believing Jesus is God incarnate.

Have you "accepted" Jesus?

I'm agnostic. Does that count as "accepting" Jesus?

I'll take it that you understood that the question was meant as a joke given the context of our discussion.

That said, depends on by what criteria you are defining "accepting".

[Gary Childress]

"Accepting" Jesus is to recognize Jesus as the one true incarnation of God/God himself. Not "accepting" Jesus is to doubt that Jesus is the one true incarnation of God/God himself.

Ultimately "accepting" Jesus entails some variation of having faith that Jesus paid for your sins: past, present and future. Though some denominations also add things like believing Jesus is God incarnate.

Have you "accepted" Jesus?

I'm agnostic. Does that count as "accepting" Jesus?

I'll take it that you understood that the question was meant as a joke given the context of our discussion.

That said, depends on by what criteria you are defining "accepting".

I think Jesus may have been an historical figure. If he did exist historically then he seems like he may have been a very odd person compared to most. Of course, Jesus may have existed but the Gospel is entirely embellishment and hyperbole. Perhaps he was God incarnate, however, the words "perhaps", "maybe", "possibly" etc. will always precede my statements about him (if he truly existed at all).

I'm not sure if that counts as "accepting" Jesus or not. Do you think it counts as "accepting" Jesus, based on what you know of the matter?

[ThinkOfOne]

I'm agnostic. Does that count as "accepting" Jesus?

I'll take it that you understood that the question was meant as a joke given the context of our discussion.

That said, depends on by what criteria you are defining "accepting".

I think Jesus may have been an historical figure. If he did exist historically then he seems like he may have been a very odd person compared to most. Of course, Jesus may have existed but the Gospel is entirely embellishment and hyperbole. Perhaps he was God incarnate, however, the words "perhaps", "maybe", "possibly" etc. will always precede my statements about him (if he truly existed at all).

I'm not sure if that counts as "accepting" Jesus or not. Do you think it counts as "accepting" Jesus, based on what you know of the matter?

Depends on who you're asking and by what criteria they define "accepting".

Based on what I've read from you:
The vast majority of Christians would say that you have not "accepted" Jesus - emphatically so.
On the other hand, according to the words attributed to Jesus in the four gospels, Jesus might have said otherwise. Also by that criteria, Jesus would have said that the vast majority of Christians have not "accepted" Him - emphatically so.

[Gary Childress]

I give up. I'm going to stop paying attention to the news. All it does is make me anxious and angry. That's no way to live and no way to be around others.

[Gary Childress]

If I only accomplish one good thing in this lifetime, it will be to have spared my children from the misery of God's creation. I just want to die in peace without pain and without suffering, hopefully go in my sleep. I hope I go to oblivion. I don't want anything more to do with any more worlds that God created. I've had enough of his "creations".

[Fairy]

If I only accomplish one good thing in this lifetime, it will be to have spared my children from the misery of God's creation. I just want to die in peace without pain and without suffering, hopefully go in my sleep. I hope I go to oblivion. I don't want anything more to do with any more worlds that God created. I've had enough of his "creations".

Gary, you do realise that there’s no escaping thoughts and beliefs when they appear in the pure infinite consciousness you are?

Even if you stop identifying with a human child/ adult. Then what? would you rather be a dinosaur?

[Gary Childress]

If I only accomplish one good thing in this lifetime, it will be to have spared my children from the misery of God's creation. I just want to die in peace without pain and without suffering, hopefully go in my sleep. I hope I go to oblivion. I don't want anything more to do with any more worlds that God created. I've had enough of his "creations".

Gary, you do realise that there’s no escaping thoughts and beliefs when they appear in the pure infinite consciousness you are?

Even if you stop identifying with a human child/ adult. Then what? would you rather be a dinosaur?

As I've stated countless times, I'd rather not exist at all. I don't think I can stomach any more of God's world.

[Fairy]

If I only accomplish one good thing in this lifetime, it will be to have spared my children from the misery of God's creation. I just want to die in peace without pain and without suffering, hopefully go in my sleep. I hope I go to oblivion. I don't want anything more to do with any more worlds that God created. I've had enough of his "creations".

Gary, you do realise that there’s no escaping thoughts and beliefs when they appear in the pure infinite consciousness you are?

Even if you stop identifying with a human child/ adult. Then what? would you rather be a dinosaur?

As I've stated countless times, I'd rather not exist at all. I don't think I can stomach any more of God's world.

You don’t exist except as thoughts and beliefs which disappear in deep dreamless sleep and death. Sleep tight Gary. Try not to dream too much, and if you do, then hope they are sweet. But if they’re not, remember they will never harm you, you are untouchable and invincible. Okay?

[Gary Childress]

Gary, you do realise that there’s no escaping thoughts and beliefs when they appear in the pure infinite consciousness you are?

Even if you stop identifying with a human child/ adult. Then what? would you rather be a dinosaur?

As I've stated countless times, I'd rather not exist at all. I don't think I can stomach any more of God's world.

You don’t exist except as thoughts and beliefs which disappear in deep dreamless sleep and death. Sleep tight Gary. Try not to dream too much, and if you do, then hope they are sweet. But if they’re not, remember they will never harm you, you are untouchable and invincible. Okay?

Before I was born I have no recollection of any conscious experience whatsoever. I therefore conclude that my status upon my death will most likely be the same, oblivion. That's fine to me. Whoever or whatever created this world, all I have to say is thanks for the misery. Bye, bye. I want no more part of it.

[Fairy]

As I've stated countless times, I'd rather not exist at all. I don't think I can stomach any more of God's world.

You don’t exist except as thoughts and beliefs which disappear in deep dreamless sleep and death. Sleep tight Gary. Try not to dream too much, and if you do, then hope they are sweet. But if they’re not, remember they will never harm you, you are untouchable and invincible. Okay?

Before I was born I have no recollection of any conscious experience whatsoever. I therefore conclude that my status upon my death will most likely be the same, oblivion. That's fine to me. Whoever or whatever created this world, all I have to say is thanks for the misery. Bye, bye. I want no more part of it.

You came out of pure unborn consciousness. There is no you in unborn consciousness, that’s just a belief, an idea, a thought.
Now you are born you identify with the thought of you. But you are actually beyond thought, you are the pure consciousness that is always here, even when the thought of you is absent like in deep dreamless sleep, anaesthesia or death. Death is just a dreamless sleep that you may or not wake up from.

[Gary Childress]

You don’t exist except as thoughts and beliefs which disappear in deep dreamless sleep and death. Sleep tight Gary. Try not to dream too much, and if you do, then hope they are sweet. But if they’re not, remember they will never harm you, you are untouchable and invincible. Okay?

Before I was born I have no recollection of any conscious experience whatsoever. I therefore conclude that my status upon my death will most likely be the same, oblivion. That's fine to me. Whoever or whatever created this world, all I have to say is thanks for the misery. Bye, bye. I want no more part of it.

You came out of pure unborn consciousness. There is no you in unborn consciousness, that’s just a belief, an idea, a thought.

Well, hopefully, I'll return to "unborn consciousness" then.

[Gary Childress]

Life is a waste of consciousness.

[Fairy]

Before I was born I have no recollection of any conscious experience whatsoever. I therefore conclude that my status upon my death will most likely be the same, oblivion. That's fine to me. Whoever or whatever created this world, all I have to say is thanks for the misery. Bye, bye. I want no more part of it.

You came out of pure unborn consciousness. There is no you in unborn consciousness, that’s just a belief, an idea, a thought.

Well, hopefully, I'll return to "unborn consciousness" then.

You can return to it while you’re alive. What’s wrong with right now unless you think about it.

You can die before you die, and then do anything you like, but then no one is holding a gun to your head. Do or don’t do.

You do you boo.

Take care Gary.

[Gary Childress]

You came out of pure unborn consciousness. There is no you in unborn consciousness, that’s just a belief, an idea, a thought.

Well, hopefully, I'll return to "unborn consciousness" then.

You can return to it while you’re alive. What’s wrong with right now unless you think about it.

You can die before you die, and then do anything you like, but then no one is holding a gun to your head. Do or don’t do.

You do you boo.

Take care Gary.

No one can "die before they die". There is life and there is lack of it (= death). It's either one or the other.