The Assassination of Charlie Kirk

[Alexis Jacobi]

If one pays attention to the critical media on Rumble Bitchute YouTube etc one will know that there is a mass of investigation and interpretation of the event of the shooting. Very critical, it tends to demolish ‘the official story”.

It is being asserted that “the official story” cannot be — is not — true. I’ve examined hours of this material and there are very good arguments as to why the official story cannot be accurate.

It might seem that all of this is likely hysterical “conspiracy theory” which, certainly, would be expected given the social and political climate.

(The “facts” and “suppositions” as to why the official story is likely false can be listed but these are secondary to my interest. I will explain:)

If the official story is false, it logically points to a conspiratory assassination. If this is so then those conspirators must be located, and logically can be located (according to the way our interpreting minds work).

So popularly, and always tinged with something like hysteria (an overwrought mood) the lines of inference are being drawn.

1) Some non-state aligned actors.
2) State aligned actors (Israel or agents connected somehow to the Israeli state).
3) The US intelligence apparatus either in connection with the so-called “Deep State” (and even the present administration!) or a “rogue” entity with nefarious connections one can only guess as.

What I can say is that the speculations are outrageous. I mean they are stopping at nothing. Candace Owens (with a rather nutty assertion that Madame Macron “is a dude”) has been deeply affected by Kirk’s assassination. They were very close friends. She seethes with justifiable anger.

You may or may not know of the infamous COINTELPRO programs of the 1960 and 70s. The FBI was deeply implicated in extensive black hat operations. Reading that material, one gets a clear sense of the intelligence operations of The Deep State. The object was to discredit and destroy any political actors who might upset the applecart of “business as usual” in the US.

The object then in our present (here I speculate) would be to neutralize any figure leading ‘the masses’ to any form of radicalism, be it left- or right-activism. Its all bad for business and things are better when social tensions are settled down.

I can make no sense of things. To whose advantage does the death of Kirk benefit? If the assassination was planned, what was the intended result?

[FlashDangerpants]

How serious are these conspiracy theories?

I've seen a couple of people making a conspiracy nut case about this. One was a firarms guy who said the rifle used should have blown viscera all over the tent behind Kirk, but other people said the bullet could easily have come to rest in his spine.

And there's some confusion about how the killer could have diassembled a rifle, hidden it down his trousers and escaped across that roof in X number of seconds, plus why he reassembled it later to hide it in a bush, and why the screwdriver that has hid DNAe and would have been needed for that reassembly was still on the roof.

And nobody believes that text message chain of clumsy exposition was written by a 22 year old civ rather than a 50 year old cop.

But I don't follow the loonisphere the way you do. So what's the deal there?

[Alexis Jacobi]

How serious are these conspiracy theories?

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But I don't follow the loonisphere the way you do. So what's the deal there?

I see it differently. Yes, there are certainly “loons” out there. Granted. But I came to the conclusion that — for everyone in fact, you as well as all of us — we are in information darkness and yet we are forced to “interpret”. And so much depends on the quality of the mind interpreting, and naturally their differing sets of pre-established predicates.

This guy goes at things methodically. So far, he offers a picture that is still inconclusive, but he discounts the official story. He describes his interpretations of elements in degrees of certainty.

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How serious? You mean how much verity do they have? All I can say is that I tend to agree (based only on what I have been presented with) that the official narrative seems rather unbelievable.

If you mean How serious is the social and cultural phenomenon of masses of people who begin to perceive they are living on a Stage where weird things happen and are said to be thus-and-such, but are really something else completely — I’d say quite serious.

[accelafine]

How serious are these conspiracy theories?

I've seen a couple of people making a conspiracy nut case about this. One was a firarms guy who said the rifle used should have blown viscera all over the tent behind Kirk, but other people said the bullet could easily have come to rest in his spine.

And there's some confusion about how the killer could have diassembled a rifle, hidden it down his trousers and escaped across that roof in X number of seconds, plus why he reassembled it later to hide it in a bush, and why the screwdriver that has hid DNAe and would have been needed for that reassembly was still on the roof.

And nobody believes that text message chain of clumsy exposition was written by a 22 year old civ rather than a 50 year old cop.

But I don't follow the loonisphere the way you do. So what's the deal there?

A 22 year old can't write? You are completely insane. So you are fine with tediously predictable whacko American conspiracy 'theories' as long as they suit your political agenda.

[accelafine]

Fuck Americans and their pathetic obsession with 'conspiracy theories'. It doesn't matter WHAT major newsworthy event happens, it's always the same tiresome bullshit afterwards.

[Gary Childress]

Did anyone check the grassy knoll for evidence?

[accelafine]

Did anyone check the grassy knoll for evidence?

[Impenitent]

How serious are these conspiracy theories?

I've seen a couple of people making a conspiracy nut case about this. One was a firarms guy who said the rifle used should have blown viscera all over the tent behind Kirk, but other people said the bullet could easily have come to rest in his spine.

And there's some confusion about how the killer could have diassembled a rifle, hidden it down his trousers and escaped across that roof in X number of seconds, plus why he reassembled it later to hide it in a bush, and why the screwdriver that has hid DNAe and would have been needed for that reassembly was still on the roof.

And nobody believes that text message chain of clumsy exposition was written by a 22 year old civ rather than a 50 year old cop.

But I don't follow the loonisphere the way you do. So what's the deal there?

A 22 year old can't write? You are completely insane. So you are fine with tediously predictable whacko American conspiracy 'theories' as long as they suit your political agenda.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 ... d-their-d/

everyone knows that high school gradUatez reed butter then ate grederz...

-Imp

[Alexis Jacobi]

Fuck Americans and their pathetic obsession with 'conspiracy theories'. It doesn't matter WHAT major newsworthy event happens, it's always the same tiresome bullshit afterwards.

There is certainly a great deal of that. However I think you are failing to take into consideration that despite social pathologies, which are rampant, that events in the US — the management of the neo-empire and much else — involves the US.

The assassination of Kirk is quite consequential, and that within the context of a militant presidency set on upheaval, it all requires interpretation.

Based on a number of weird anomalies there are good reasons for an open-minded skepticism in this case.

[accelafine]

'Scepticism' is yet another misused and abused word. Conspiracy nuts aren't sceptics. They are the exact opposite of sceptics. No amount of evidence will ever sway them from their pathetic little 'theories'. They hate actual evidence.
It's the same story over and over again. Replace Charlie Kirk with JFK and the two are interchangeable-- although the theories around JFK were at least plausible and had some evidence in the shooting of Oswald by a mob guy and the fact that JFK held enormous power and also pissed off many enormously powerful people. Shooting Kirk was about as pointless as shooting one of those absurd 'televangelists' you have over there

[accelafine]

Oh, and there is another difference. I don't think anyone claimed 'The Jews' ( I see you've included that) murdered JFK. The fashion trend back then was 'The Commies did it'

[Alexis Jacobi]

One was a firearms guy who said the rifle used should have blown viscera all over the tent behind Kirk, but other people said the bullet could easily have come to rest in his spine.

Two elements stand out to me — all of it based on information that filters down to me through my Internet connection (and all should be held in suspicion).

A 30.06 round is an extremely powerful bullet. The force of impact is extraordinary. All those firearms people, “experts” or merely experienced hunters or soldiers, point out that it is “impossible’ that such a round striking the throat would or could lodge in any bone-structures in the throat and not forcefully pass through. That observation sounds quite reasonable to me.

Everything about the extremely quick escape of the figure in the videos is suspect, given the narrative. Within a second after the shot the figure is seen running. He is up and running almost at the same moment the crowd is recoiling from the noise of the shot. But it takes at least a few minutes (if one were expert) to disassemble an old rifle like the one said to have been used. And within 20 seconds the figure is descending the roof. And no rifle, assembled or disassembled, is shown.

If they have video (the video provided by the government and distributed to news agencies) just at the moment he runs away, then there must be video of the shot being fired just seconds before. The cameras run constantly at 30 frames per second. Why is there no video of the shot being fired? It makes no sense.

Another quite suspect factor is that (according to the reports) that no autopsy was performed. But Utah law demands an autopsy.

There are other things too.

I do not perceive myself as needing a “conspiracy” and it is certainly within the realm of the possible that anyone who could fire a rifle could have made the shot. Nothing extraordinary in that.

But in the present ultra-weird political and geo-political climate I admit that I continually remind myself not to fall into believing surface readings: what is presented as irrefutable. So much going on seems to have dimensions different than the “mere apparent”.

Accelafine have you been in New Zealand all this time? Do you have weapons experience??

[accelafine]

I don't have 'experience' of shooting a human in the neck, if that's what you're asking.
What is your little 'conspiracy theory' even claiming there? The guy was fucking shot, on video, in front of a crowd of people. You lot are nuts. Nuts AND evil.
I really can't be bothered reading it or listening to click-baiting American fuckwits on Youtube. 'Conspiracy theories' are just headache-inducing because they never make any kind of logical sense.
Conspiracytard rule of thumb: NEVER go with the simple, logical explanation that entirely makes sense. Always invoke Occam's razor in reverse.

[Alexis Jacobi]

May I ask you a more personal question then?

[accelafine]

I can't stop you from asking but you won't get an answer. I'm not here for personal stuff. Facts and logic aren't 'personal'.