Turing test

[accelafine]

In the end, exploring those positive and negative states/realities is inconsequential imo, at least for everyday life in our current world. I gradually stopped doing it too. We don't talk about this stuff. Whether they would also be inconsequential under certain vastly different circumstances, remains to be seen. (Though I can't say I've encountered any cosmic office workers.)

Are you saying it was just hallucinations? He didn't seem to think so. Very few, if any, have done it to the degree that he did. He didn't just 'dabble'.

[Atla]

Remains to be seen, I intend to find out if I get the chance.

[accelafine]

Remains to be seen, I intend to find out if I get the chance.

You are a lot braver than I am. It sounds as if he literally went to hell.

[Ben JS]

Water reacts to temperature. Is water aware of temperature?
An air-conditioner can reacts to temperature. Is the AC aware of temperature?
A robot reacts to temperature. Is the robot aware of temperature?
I react to temperature. Am I aware of temperature?

It's the awareness that's in question, not the capacity to respond.

We are awareness, and self aware. Our awareness may verify itself.
It has yet to be demonstrated how to verify awareness one doesn't have direct access to.
There are plenty of good indications for awareness, but no broad consensus on a definitive one.

What does awareness provide to a system? What would be different if everyone were philosophical zombies (PZ)?

I think awareness is what gives events weight.
Harm cannot be experienced by a PZ.
Joy cannot be experienced by a PZ.

Events in regard to PZs only have weight indirectly once they impact conscious entities,
because it is conscious entities projecting value onto a neutral environment.

Understanding the origin of awareness is a very important question,
but I've yet to see any strong evidence to inspire confidence in current theories.
If inorganic sentience can be proven, it's a huge ethical situation.

[Fairy]

Water reacts to temperature. Is water aware of temperature?
An air-conditioner can reacts to temperature. Is the AC aware of temperature?
A robot reacts to temperature. Is the robot aware of temperature?
I react to temperature. Am I aware of temperature?

It's the awareness that's in question, not the capacity to respond.

We are awareness, and self aware. Our awareness may verify itself.
It has yet to be demonstrated how to verify awareness one doesn't have direct access to.
There are plenty of good indications for awareness, but no broad consensus on a definitive one.

What does awareness provide to a system? What would be different if everyone were philosophical zombies (PZ)?

I think awareness is what gives events weight.
Harm cannot be experienced by a PZ.
Joy cannot be experienced by a PZ.

Events in regard to PZs only have weight indirectly once they impact conscious entities,
because it is conscious entities projecting value onto a neutral environment.

Understanding the origin of awareness is a very important question,
but I've yet to see any strong evidence to inspire confidence in current theories.
If inorganic sentience can be proven, it's a huge ethical situation.

Nothing can have direct access to awareness because nothing is awareness one without a second.
Existence is aware, and doesn’t need proof. Proof needs awareness.
This cannot be touched because it is the touching, the touched on contact with an object.

Only reactions ( the sense of senses ) are known, not actions, which can only be unitary reactions.

[accelafine]

Water reacts to temperature. Is water aware of temperature?
An air-conditioner can reacts to temperature. Is the AC aware of temperature?
A robot reacts to temperature. Is the robot aware of temperature?
I react to temperature. Am I aware of temperature?

It's the awareness that's in question, not the capacity to respond.

We are awareness, and self aware. Our awareness may verify itself.
It has yet to be demonstrated how to verify awareness one doesn't have direct access to.
There are plenty of good indications for awareness, but no broad consensus on a definitive one.

What does awareness provide to a system? What would be different if everyone were philosophical zombies (PZ)?

I think awareness is what gives events weight.
Harm cannot be experienced by a PZ.
Joy cannot be experienced by a PZ.

Events in regard to PZs only have weight indirectly once they impact conscious entities,
because it is conscious entities projecting value onto a neutral environment.

Understanding the origin of awareness is a very important question,
but I've yet to see any strong evidence to inspire confidence in current theories.
If inorganic sentience can be proven, it's a huge ethical situation.

Nothing can have direct access to awareness because nothing is awareness one without a second.
Existence is aware, and doesn’t need proof. Proof needs awareness.
This cannot be touched because it is the touching, the touched on contact with an object.

Only reactions ( the sense of senses ) are known, not actions, which can only be unitary reactions.

That doesn't mean anything. Try harder.

[Fairy]

Water reacts to temperature. Is water aware of temperature?
An air-conditioner can reacts to temperature. Is the AC aware of temperature?
A robot reacts to temperature. Is the robot aware of temperature?
I react to temperature. Am I aware of temperature?

It's the awareness that's in question, not the capacity to respond.

We are awareness, and self aware. Our awareness may verify itself.
It has yet to be demonstrated how to verify awareness one doesn't have direct access to.
There are plenty of good indications for awareness, but no broad consensus on a definitive one.

What does awareness provide to a system? What would be different if everyone were philosophical zombies (PZ)?

I think awareness is what gives events weight.
Harm cannot be experienced by a PZ.
Joy cannot be experienced by a PZ.

Events in regard to PZs only have weight indirectly once they impact conscious entities,
because it is conscious entities projecting value onto a neutral environment.

Understanding the origin of awareness is a very important question,
but I've yet to see any strong evidence to inspire confidence in current theories.
If inorganic sentience can be proven, it's a huge ethical situation.

Nothing can have direct access to awareness because nothing is awareness one without a second.
Existence is aware, and doesn’t need proof. Proof needs awareness.
This cannot be touched because it is the touching, the touched on contact with an object.

Only reactions ( the sense of senses ) are known, not actions, which can only be unitary reactions.

That doesn't mean anything. Try harder.

The meaning of life is to give it meaning. Follow your own advice, in other words, smell your own shit.

[accelafine]

Nothing can have direct access to awareness because nothing is awareness one without a second.
Existence is aware, and doesn’t need proof. Proof needs awareness.
This cannot be touched because it is the touching, the touched on contact with an object.

Only reactions ( the sense of senses ) are known, not actions, which can only be unitary reactions.

That doesn't mean anything. Try harder.

The meaning of life is to give it meaning. Follow your own advice, in other words, smell your own shit.

Nope. Still makes no sense. Individually the words have meaning, but you manage to string them together in a way that renders the 'collective whole' meaningless. That's not particualrly unusual or special. In fact it's as common as shit. Try harder.

[Fairy]

That doesn't mean anything. Try harder.

The meaning of life is to give it meaning. Follow your own advice, in other words, smell your own shit.

Nope. Still makes no sense. Individually the words have meaning, but you manage to string them together in a way that renders the 'collective whole' meaningless. That's not particualrly unusual or special. In fact it's as common as shit. Try harder.

Nothing you say to me personally makes sense. I don’t like you as a person and never will, therefore your comments are of no significance or importance to me. You mean nothing to me. You might as well be talking to a PZ talking to me.

I know what I know, and that’s all there is to it, I have zero requirement for eternal validation for something I already know. Especially if that validation is from you, whom I dislike immensely, because quite frankly you are an unlikeable phenomenon.

Just so you know.

[accelafine]

The meaning of life is to give it meaning. Follow your own advice, in other words, smell your own shit.

Nope. Still makes no sense. Individually the words have meaning, but you manage to string them together in a way that renders the 'collective whole' meaningless. That's not particualrly unusual or special. In fact it's as common as shit. Try harder.

Nothing you say to me personally makes sense. I don’t like you as a person and never will, therefore your comments are of no significance or importance to me. You mean nothing to me. You might as well be talking to a PZ talking to me.

I know what I know, and that’s all there is to it, I have zero requirement for eternal validation for something I already know. Especially if that validation is from you, whom I dislike immensely, because quite frankly you are an unlikeable phenomenon.

Just so you know.

Of course you don't like me. You spend all your time sucking up to and fawning over men. The very epitomy of a pathetic handmaiden. Get off my thread you insane harridan.

[Fairy]

Nope. Still makes no sense. Individually the words have meaning, but you manage to string them together in a way that renders the 'collective whole' meaningless. That's not particualrly unusual or special. In fact it's as common as shit. Try harder.

Nothing you say to me personally makes sense. I don’t like you as a person and never will, therefore your comments are of no significance or importance to me. You mean nothing to me. You might as well be talking to a PZ talking to me.

I know what I know, and that’s all there is to it, I have zero requirement for eternal validation for something I already know. Especially if that validation is from you, whom I dislike immensely, because quite frankly you are an unlikeable phenomenon.

Just so you know.

Of course you don't like me. You spend all your time sucking up to and fawning over men. The very epitomy of a pathetic handmaiden. Get off my thread you insane harridan.

Sometimes the worst place you can be is in your own head. And even that’s a half baked truth. Especially when that place is inside someone else’s head.

Jealousy is hard to swallow. I know.

You start a thread and then get all hissed and pissy when someone replies. Poor thing.

[Fairy]

Nope. Still makes no sense. Individually the words have meaning, but you manage to string them together in a way that renders the 'collective whole' meaningless. That's not particualrly unusual or special. In fact it's as common as shit. Try harder.

Nothing you say to me personally makes sense. I don’t like you as a person and never will, therefore your comments are of no significance or importance to me. You mean nothing to me. You might as well be talking to a PZ talking to me.

I know what I know, and that’s all there is to it, I have zero requirement for eternal validation for something I already know. Especially if that validation is from you, whom I dislike immensely, because quite frankly you are an unlikeable phenomenon.

Just so you know.

Of course you don't like me. You spend all your time sucking up to and fawning over men. The very epitomy of a pathetic handmaiden. Get off my thread you insane harridan.

Of course if a woman talks to a man about philosophy or metaphysics that means she wants to fuck his brains out, of course it does according to the accelafine mentality. How awful to be born with such uncontrollable urges to fuck every thing you come into contact with. Hope you find a cure soon for your head gone wrong, I’m rooting for you. But not holding on to much hope, sadly.

You can keep on projecting your poison at others until the cows come home, because all that does is say more about you, than anything else. Keep shining your thoughts to no one but yourself.

[accelafine]

Nothing you say to me personally makes sense. I don’t like you as a person and never will, therefore your comments are of no significance or importance to me. You mean nothing to me. You might as well be talking to a PZ talking to me.

I know what I know, and that’s all there is to it, I have zero requirement for eternal validation for something I already know. Especially if that validation is from you, whom I dislike immensely, because quite frankly you are an unlikeable phenomenon.

Just so you know.

Of course you don't like me. You spend all your time sucking up to and fawning over men. The very epitomy of a pathetic handmaiden. Get off my thread you insane harridan.

Sometimes the worst place you can be is in your own head. And even that’s a half baked truth. Especially when that place is inside someone else’s head.

Jealousy is hard to swallow. I know.

You start a thread and then get all hissed and pissy when someone replies. Poor thing.

Why do you think women are jealous of you? How very typically handmaidenish. You see everything in terms of what 'men think'

[Fairy]

Of course you don't like me. You spend all your time sucking up to and fawning over men. The very epitomy of a pathetic handmaiden. Get off my thread you insane harridan.

Sometimes the worst place you can be is in your own head. And even that’s a half baked truth. Especially when that place is inside someone else’s head.

Jealousy is hard to swallow. I know.

You start a thread and then get all hissed and pissy when someone replies. Poor thing.

Why do you think women are jealous of you? How very typically handmaidenish. You see everything in terms of what 'men think'

I never mentioned women or men.

I said jealousy is hard to swallow. Please get yourself a proper education you thick coooooo.

[accelafine]

Sometimes the worst place you can be is in your own head. And even that’s a half baked truth. Especially when that place is inside someone else’s head.

Jealousy is hard to swallow. I know.

You start a thread and then get all hissed and pissy when someone replies. Poor thing.

Why do you think women are jealous of you? How very typically handmaidenish. You see everything in terms of what 'men think'

I never mentioned women or men.

I said jealousy is hard to swallow. Please get yourself a proper education you thick coooooo.

I know exactly what you meant. It's how you 'think'. You are obsessed with men. What am I supposed to be 'jealous' of? Your fine debating skills and writing ability?