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Reflections & Projections (R/P) are basic operations of the mind.
There are three principal R/P modes – the alternating, whose manifestations complement each other – the contrary, where they contrast each other, and the dualistic R/P, whose manifestations appear separate.
The alternating R/P is typical for the Orient, whereas the contrary R/P has been dominating the Egyptian, Mesopotamian and Hellenic cultures and became the foundation of the R/P mode of Dualism which characterizes the Occident.
(Orient & Occident represent here R/P systems as well as cerebral & global hemispheres)

Every R/P system has particular Self concepts, realization ways & methods.
Know Thy Self is the premise of all.

In the Occident „Know Thy Self“ has been inscribed (ca.450 BC) on the temple wall of Apollo at Delphi, and made famous by Socrates who said“Knowledge is inherent in man, not outside. Wisdom is to recollect".
In the Orient “Know Thy Self” was taken up at around the same time by Tao, Hindu and Buddhist thinkers, who consequently investigated ever since the mind and developed inumerable methods and techniques to further its Self-realisation.
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waechter418 wrote: Fri Sep 26, 2025 4:57 pm Reflections & Projections (R/P) are basic operations of the mind.
There are three principal R/P modes – the alternating, whose manifestations complement each other – the contrary, where they contrast each other, and the dualistic R/P, whose manifestations appear separate.
The alternating R/P is typical for the Orient, whereas the contrary R/P has been dominating the Egyptian, Mesopotamian and Hellenic cultures and became the foundation of the R/P mode of Dualism which characterizes the Occident.
(Orient & Occident represent here R/P systems as well as cerebral & global hemispheres)

Every R/P system has particular Self concepts, realization ways & methods.
Know Thyself is the premise of all. In the Occident, „Know Thy Self“ has been inscribed (ca.450 BC) on the temple wall of Apollo at Delphi, and made famous by Socrates who said“Knowledge is inherent in man, not outside. Wisdom is to recollect".
In the Orient, “Know Thy Self” was taken up at around the same time by Tao, Hindu, and Buddhist thinkers, who consequently investigated ever since the mind and developed innumerable methods and techniques to further its Self-realisation.
I would argue that the recipe for our orientation is experience, the understanding of that experience, and thus the finding of meaning, which is then projected or bestowed upon a meaningless world. Know thyself is realized through the insight of, thou art that, you are all that you perceive, and you relate to all you perceive, and when at times you can lose yourself, in that, it is a divine moment. To me, self-realization is this moment out of time.
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waechter418 wrote: Fri Sep 26, 2025 4:57 pm Reflections & Projections (R/P) are basic operations of the mind.
So many people in this forum talk about some 'mind' thing, and about how they know how this 'mind thing' works, exactly. Yet when questioned about what the 'mind' even is, exactly, not a one of even begins to start to explain, and clarify.
waechter418 wrote: Fri Sep 26, 2025 4:57 pm There are three principal R/P modes – the alternating, whose manifestations complement each other – the contrary, where they contrast each other, and the dualistic R/P, whose manifestations appear separate.
The alternating R/P is typical for the Orient, whereas the contrary R/P has been dominating the Egyptian, Mesopotamian and Hellenic cultures and became the foundation of the R/P mode of Dualism which characterizes the Occident.
(Orient & Occident represent here R/P systems as well as cerebral & global hemispheres)

Every R/P system has particular Self concepts, realization ways & methods.
Know Thy Self is the premise of all.

In the Occident „Know Thy Self“ has been inscribed (ca.450 BC) on the temple wall of Apollo at Delphi, and made famous by Socrates who said“Knowledge is inherent in man, not outside. Wisdom is to recollect".
In the Orient “Know Thy Self” was taken up at around the same time by Tao, Hindu and Buddhist thinkers, who consequently investigated ever since the mind and developed inumerable methods and techniques to further its Self-realisation.
Once you, also, come to know thy 'Self', then the One and only, actual, 'method and technique' to achieve Self-realisation becomes known, as well.
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popeye1945 wrote: Fri Sep 26, 2025 11:25 pm
waechter418 wrote: Fri Sep 26, 2025 4:57 pm Reflections & Projections (R/P) are basic operations of the mind.
There are three principal R/P modes – the alternating, whose manifestations complement each other – the contrary, where they contrast each other, and the dualistic R/P, whose manifestations appear separate.
The alternating R/P is typical for the Orient, whereas the contrary R/P has been dominating the Egyptian, Mesopotamian and Hellenic cultures and became the foundation of the R/P mode of Dualism which characterizes the Occident.
(Orient & Occident represent here R/P systems as well as cerebral & global hemispheres)

Every R/P system has particular Self concepts, realization ways & methods.
Know Thyself is the premise of all. In the Occident, „Know Thy Self“ has been inscribed (ca.450 BC) on the temple wall of Apollo at Delphi, and made famous by Socrates who said“Knowledge is inherent in man, not outside. Wisdom is to recollect".
In the Orient, “Know Thy Self” was taken up at around the same time by Tao, Hindu, and Buddhist thinkers, who consequently investigated ever since the mind and developed innumerable methods and techniques to further its Self-realisation.
I would argue that the recipe for our orientation is experience, the understanding of that experience, and thus the finding of meaning, which is then projected or bestowed upon a meaningless world. Know thyself is realized through the insight of, thou art that, you are all that you perceive, and you relate to all you perceive, and when at times you can lose yourself, in that, it is a divine moment. To me, self-realization is this moment out of time.
Here, is another one who is 'trying to' claim to know 'the process' to 'self-realization', but yet who has not yet realized, and knows, thy 'self'.
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Age wrote: Sat Sep 27, 2025 12:27 am
popeye1945 wrote: Fri Sep 26, 2025 11:25 pm
waechter418 wrote: Fri Sep 26, 2025 4:57 pm Reflections & Projections (R/P) are basic operations of the mind.
There are three principal R/P modes – the alternating, whose manifestations complement each other – the contrary, where they contrast each other, and the dualistic R/P, whose manifestations appear separate.
The alternating R/P is typical for the Orient, whereas the contrary R/P has been dominating the Egyptian, Mesopotamian and Hellenic cultures and became the foundation of the R/P mode of Dualism which characterizes the Occident.
(Orient & Occident represent here R/P systems as well as cerebral & global hemispheres)

Every R/P system has particular Self concepts, realization ways & methods.
Know Thyself is the premise of all. In the Occident, „Know Thy Self“ has been inscribed (ca.450 BC) on the temple wall of Apollo at Delphi, and made famous by Socrates who said“Knowledge is inherent in man, not outside. Wisdom is to recollect".
In the Orient, “Know Thy Self” was taken up at around the same time by Tao, Hindu, and Buddhist thinkers, who consequently investigated ever since the mind and developed innumerable methods and techniques to further its Self-realisation.
I would argue that the recipe for our orientation is experience, the understanding of that experience, and thus the finding of meaning, which is then projected or bestowed upon a meaningless world. Know thyself is realized through the insight of, thou art that, you are all that you perceive, and you relate to all you perceive, and when at times you can lose yourself, in that, it is a divine moment. To me, self-realization is this moment out of time.
Here is another one who is 'trying to' claim to know 'the process' to 'self-realization', but yet who has not yet realized, and knows, thy 'self'.
You are a pretentious fellow, aren't you? Are you still looking for yourself? What do you know of the experience of thou are that or of myself? You're just being a pretentious little jerk.
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popeye1945 wrote: Sat Sep 27, 2025 12:55 am
Age wrote: Sat Sep 27, 2025 12:27 am
popeye1945 wrote: Fri Sep 26, 2025 11:25 pm

I would argue that the recipe for our orientation is experience, the understanding of that experience, and thus the finding of meaning, which is then projected or bestowed upon a meaningless world. Know thyself is realized through the insight of, thou art that, you are all that you perceive, and you relate to all you perceive, and when at times you can lose yourself, in that, it is a divine moment. To me, self-realization is this moment out of time.
Here is another one who is 'trying to' claim to know 'the process' to 'self-realization', but yet who has not yet realized, and knows, thy 'self'.
You are a pretentious fellow, aren't you?
No.
popeye1945 wrote: Sat Sep 27, 2025 12:55 am Are you still looking for yourself?
No.
popeye1945 wrote: Sat Sep 27, 2025 12:55 am And, the word, 'yourself', is an oxymoron, self-contradictory, and thus a contradiction in terms. But, 'you' would already know 'this' if 'you' have already realized who and what the 'self' is, exactly.

What do you know of the experience of thou are that or of myself?
I know that "your" own 'past experiences' have not yet led 'you' to 'self' realization, let alone 'Self' realization. And, to the fact that the word and term, "myself" is another self-contradiction.
popeye1945 wrote: Sat Sep 27, 2025 12:55 am You're just being a pretentious little jerk.
Okay, but why asked your first question, here, if you already knew 'the answer'?

Also, when, and if, 'you' also ever get to come to know who and what the 'self' is, exactly, and, who and what the 'Self' is, exactly, as well, then 'you' will also have uncovered the 'actual process' needed to actually coming to know thy Self.
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popeye1945 wrote: Sat Sep 27, 2025 12:55 am
Age wrote: Sat Sep 27, 2025 12:27 am
popeye1945 wrote: Fri Sep 26, 2025 11:25 pm

I would argue that the recipe for our orientation is experience, the understanding of that experience, and thus the finding of meaning, which is then projected or bestowed upon a meaningless world. Know thyself is realized through the insight of, thou art that, you are all that you perceive, and you relate to all you perceive, and when at times you can lose yourself, in that, it is a divine moment. To me, self-realization is this moment out of time.
Here is another one who is 'trying to' claim to know 'the process' to 'self-realization', but yet who has not yet realized, and knows, thy 'self'.
You are a pretentious fellow, aren't you? Are you still looking for yourself? What do you know of the experience of thou are that or of myself? You're just being a pretentious little jerk.
Please. Enlighten me as to what it means to you and what exactly your findings have been. If you read my post clearly, you would see I stated what it means to me. The world is awaiting your findings.
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The past has no power to stop you from being present now (Lao Tzu)

The present moment is all there is, and it is the only time in which we can truly live. (Koshi Uchyama)

The journey of self-realization is the most important journey we will ever take. (Buddha)
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