One of Plato's most-cited theories may have been a direct result of hallucinogenics. In Plato's Phaedo, the philosopher says he was inspired by the Eleusinian Mysteries, an ancient religious ceremony where participants took kykeon.
Initiates in the Eleusinian Mysteries (1500 BCE–4th century CE), took kykeon, a psychoactive secret potion. It is thought that kykeon contained hallucinogenic substances that induced visions and the state of ecstasy associated with the Mysteries.
Hence Plato's Concept of God
The Good:
Plato conceived of a singular, highest "Good" that was the ultimate source of all existence, truth, and reality. This "Good" was not a personal being but a divine and abstract concept.
Transcendence and Perfection:
This supreme God was a transcendent, perfect, and unchangeable being, distinct from the imperfect material world.
A First Cause:
God served as the first cause and a "self-moved mover" to avoid an infinite regress of causes.
Plato's pet theory.
Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 23, 2025 4:02 pm
One of Plato's most-cited theories may have been a direct result of hallucinogenics. In Plato's Phaedo, the philosopher says he was inspired by the Eleusinian Mysteries, an ancient religious ceremony where participants took kykeon.
Initiates in the Eleusinian Mysteries (1500 BCE–4th century CE), took kykeon, a psychoactive secret potion. It is thought that kykeon contained hallucinogenic substances that induced visions and the state of ecstasy associated with the Mysteries.
Hence Plato's Concept of God
The Good:
Plato conceived of a singular, highest "Good" that was the ultimate source of all existence, truth, and reality. This "Good" was not a personal being but a divine and abstract concept.
Transcendence and Perfection:
This supreme God was a transcendent, perfect, and unchangeable being, distinct from the imperfect material world.
A First Cause:
God served as the first cause and a "self-moved mover" to avoid an infinite regress of causes.
Plato's pet theory.
You see what happens when a mind is too weak to read metaphor, they create absurd stories to mentally masturbate with.
Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 23, 2025 4:02 pm
One of Plato's most-cited theories may have been a direct result of hallucinogenics. In Plato's Phaedo, the philosopher says he was inspired by the Eleusinian Mysteries, an ancient religious ceremony where participants took kykeon.
Initiates in the Eleusinian Mysteries (1500 BCE–4th century CE), took kykeon, a psychoactive secret potion. It is thought that kykeon contained hallucinogenic substances that induced visions and the state of ecstasy associated with the Mysteries.
Hence Plato's Concept of God
The Good:
Plato conceived of a singular, highest "Good" that was the ultimate source of all existence, truth, and reality. This "Good" was not a personal being but a divine and abstract concept.
Transcendence and Perfection:
This supreme God was a transcendent, perfect, and unchangeable being, distinct from the imperfect material world.
A First Cause:
God served as the first cause and a "self-moved mover" to avoid an infinite regress of causes.
Plato's pet theory.
You see what happens when a mind is too weak to read metaphor, they create absurd stories to mentally masturbate with.
Will you explain why 'those stories' are absurd, to you, exactly?
So, 'these people' would make claims in a 'philosophy forum', and when just asked to explain, elaborate, and/or clarify, for no other reason than to just obtain and gain a 'better understanding', (of, 'where they are coming from, exactly', as 'it' is sometimes called and referred to), then instead of just explaining, elaborating, and/or clarifying, they would resort to obviously absolutely, further, False claims and accusations. Like, for example;
And here again, Mr Superthick tries to continue his quest to live a life of a dedicated idiot.
He pursues that goal because of self-loathing. He knows he is a fool, and tries to take it out on the world. A stone cold sociopath.
Age wrote: ↑Wed Sep 24, 2025 4:49 am
So, 'these people' would make claims in a 'philosophy forum', and when just asked to explain, elaborate, and/or clarify, for no other reason than to just obtain and gain a 'better understanding', (of, 'where they are coming from, exactly', as 'it' is sometimes called and referred to), then instead of just explaining, elaborating, and/or clarifying, they would resort to obviously absolutely, further, False claims and accusations. Like, for example;
And here again, Mr Superthick tries to continue his quest to live a life of a dedicated idiot.
He pursues that goal because of self-loathing. He knows he is a fool, and tries to take it out on the world. A stone cold sociopath.
The last thing anyone ought to do on a Philosophy Forum is to ask anyone how to read and how to study. So you just keep on with pure bull shit.
Age wrote: ↑Wed Sep 24, 2025 4:49 am
So, 'these people' would make claims in a 'philosophy forum', and when just asked to explain, elaborate, and/or clarify, for no other reason than to just obtain and gain a 'better understanding', (of, 'where they are coming from, exactly', as 'it' is sometimes called and referred to), then instead of just explaining, elaborating, and/or clarifying, they would resort to obviously absolutely, further, False claims and accusations. Like, for example;
And here again, Mr Superthick tries to continue his quest to live a life of a dedicated idiot.
He pursues that goal because of self-loathing. He knows he is a fool, and tries to take it out on the world. A stone cold sociopath.
The last thing anyone ought to do on a Philosophy Forum is to ask anyone how to read and how to study. So you just keep on with pure bull shit.
So, these are 'the words' that 'I' actually used and wrote above, here, 'Will you explain why 'those stories' are absurd, to you, exactly?' And, "phil8659" interpreted 'those words' as meaning;
'I am asking "phil8659" how to read, and how to study'.
If 'the proof' was not, here, of just how much 'these human beings', back then, could and did 'misinterpret', then it would not surprise me if people really did not believe that 'they', back then, could have been so blind and so stupid.
Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 23, 2025 4:02 pm
One of Plato's most-cited theories may have been a direct result of hallucinogenics. In Plato's Phaedo, the philosopher says he was inspired by the Eleusinian Mysteries, an ancient religious ceremony where participants took kykeon.
Initiates in the Eleusinian Mysteries (1500 BCE–4th century CE), took kykeon, a psychoactive secret potion. It is thought that kykeon contained hallucinogenic substances that induced visions and the state of ecstasy associated with the Mysteries.
Hence Plato's Concept of God
The Good:
Plato conceived of a singular, highest "Good" that was the ultimate source of all existence, truth, and reality. This "Good" was not a personal being but a divine and abstract concept.
Transcendence and Perfection:
This supreme God was a transcendent, perfect, and unchangeable being, distinct from the imperfect material world.
A First Cause:
God served as the first cause and a "self-moved mover" to avoid an infinite regress of causes.
Plato's pet theory.
You see what happens when a mind is too weak to read metaphor, they create absurd stories to mentally masturbate with.
I’m sorry to hear about that weakness. Poor thing, maybe you ought to grow some balls.
Then maybe you can throw it out there in the hope it’ll be caught.
Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 23, 2025 4:02 pm
One of Plato's most-cited theories may have been a direct result of hallucinogenics. In Plato's Phaedo, the philosopher says he was inspired by the Eleusinian Mysteries, an ancient religious ceremony where participants took kykeon.
Initiates in the Eleusinian Mysteries (1500 BCE–4th century CE), took kykeon, a psychoactive secret potion. It is thought that kykeon contained hallucinogenic substances that induced visions and the state of ecstasy associated with the Mysteries.
Hence Plato's Concept of God
The Good:
Plato conceived of a singular, highest "Good" that was the ultimate source of all existence, truth, and reality. This "Good" was not a personal being but a divine and abstract concept.
Transcendence and Perfection:
This supreme God was a transcendent, perfect, and unchangeable being, distinct from the imperfect material world.
A First Cause:
God served as the first cause and a "self-moved mover" to avoid an infinite regress of causes.
Plato's pet theory.
You see what happens when a mind is too weak to read metaphor, they create absurd stories to mentally masturbate with.
I’m sorry to hear about that weakness. Poor thing, maybe you ought to grow some balls.
Then maybe you can throw it out there in the hope it’ll be caught.
You really think you can post fake bull shit about Plato to me? I did Xenophon to Plato in the Nude, and others. In those works I reedited every complete translation, and several shorter works, for machine reading, i.e., you would be hard pressed to find anyone, in history, who has read the translations of Plato, not once, but several times.
Internet Archive, in both ebook and audiobook, Xenophon to Plato in the Nude.
You see what happens when a mind is too weak to read metaphor, they create absurd stories to mentally masturbate with.
I’m sorry to hear about that weakness. Poor thing, maybe you ought to grow some balls.
Then maybe you can throw it out there in the hope it’ll be caught.
You really think you can post fake bull shit about Plato to me? I did Xenophon to Plato in the Nude, and others. In those works I reedited every complete translation, and several shorter works, for machine reading, i.e., you would be hard pressed to find anyone, in history, who has read the translations of Plato, not once, but several times.
Internet Archive, in both ebook and audiobook, Xenophon to Plato in the Nude.
Listen, to the sound of silence to the form is emptiness, and emptiness is form.
Form is not other than emptiness, emptiness is not other than form.
The same is true with feelings, perceptions,mental formations, and consciousness.
Plato rocks this place. The real fictional rock star of all ages.
Form is content, content is form, the medium is the message, and human perception is limited by the capacity of the senses and the degree of data corruption gathered by the senses, corruption of data received by the senses being caused by inattention, which is caused by the body.
The mind is the king of the senses
The breath is the king of the mind.
The rhythmic vibration of the nervous system
Becomes the king of the breath.
Hear the rhythm of the breath.
“Did you observe the beauty of that sound?”
Mindfulness thus becomes never forgotten, rather than remembered.
AI Answer:
No, Plato was not a "commie" in the modern sense, though his Republic proposed a form of communal living and property for the ruling classes (Guardians and Auxiliaries) to ensure impartiality and focus on the common good. His ideas, originating in ancient Athens, differ significantly from 19th-century Marxist communism, which sought to abolish all class systems and was born from the industrial revolution.
Key differences between Plato's system and modern communism:
• Scope:
Plato's communal ideas were limited to the ruling classes, not the entire society.
• Goal:
Plato's goal was a just and harmonious state through a strict division of labor and rule by philosopher-kings.
• Modern Context:
Marxist communism, in contrast, aimed for a classless society through the abolition of private property and was shaped by industrial-era conditions.
Plato's communal ideas in The Republic:
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No Private Property for Rulers:
To prevent corruption and self-interest, the ruling class would not own private property and would live communally.
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Common Family Life:
In some interpretations, Plato suggested the communal raising of children and shared family life among the ruling classes, though the extent of this idea is debated.
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Purpose:
These ideas were intended to foster a collective spirit and eliminate the distractions of personal wealth and family for those governing the ideal city.
Question for AI:
How does Aristotle differ from Plato?
AI answer:
Aristotle differs from Plato primarily in his rejection of Plato's theory of Forms, instead emphasizing the reality of the physical world and gaining knowledge through observation and empirical evidence, while Plato focused on abstract, perfect Forms and considered the physical world imperfect. This leads to Plato having an idealistic, utopian approach to philosophy and politics, whereas Aristotle is more practical, realistic, and scientific, applying observation and logic to the world around him.
Key Differences
• The Theory of Forms:
• Plato: believed that true reality exists in the world of perfect, eternal Forms or ideas, with the physical world being a mere imperfect reflection.
• Aristotle: rejected the idea of Forms existing independently, arguing that forms (or essences) exist within the material objects themselves.
• Source of Knowledge:
• Plato: believed that true knowledge comes from deep thought, reflection, and understanding the abstract Forms through the mind, distrusting sensory experience.
• Aristotle: advocated for an empirical approach, believing that knowledge comes from observing the natural world and the five senses.
• Approach to Philosophy and Science:
• Plato's: philosophy is often described as idealist and utopian, focusing on ideal concepts and a perfect state.
• Aristotle's: philosophy is more practical, scientific, and realistic, emphasizing observation, classification, and the study of the natural world.
• Politics:
• Plato's: Republic describes an ideal state where private property and family are abolished to achieve social unity, ruled by philosopher-kings.
• Aristotle, with his realist approach, questioned the practicality of Plato's ideal state, preferring a practical "polity" (a balanced, constitutional government) that acknowledges human nature and maintains private property and family.
Plato's Concept of God
