New Discovery

[Belinda]

This has nothing to do with Christ as the God figure which has religious undertones. Spinoza was correct about determinism but he did not have the solution. Lessans spoke to this which, once again, indicates to me that you and others are grasping at straws.

Spinoza's solution was use of reason. It is laughably arrogant to claim Spinoza's life and work is a "straw".

I never said Spinoza’s life and work was a straw. I said you and others are grasping at straws.

I don't scold for not grasping the idea of the Cosmic Christ.It is not an easy idea.

I don’t scold either but the term Cosmic Christ has religious undertones, which is why I use the term God as being much more inclusive since the word “Christ” leans toward Christianity and will turn some people off.

I agree that the very name, Christ, turns some people off. I regularly attended a large Humanist group's meetings where many members apparently were Humanists because Humanist meetings' order of procedure and language is not churchy.

I am not narrow -minded and I claim that churchy people do not have sole ownership of theology.
I understand that your father in his book sought to write in 'scientific' language.
This is a pity as theology is not a natural science, but is classed as a humanity .
As I said earlier theology is not easy. But you won't be able to popularise theology with pseudo science.

[peacegirl]

Spinoza's solution was use of reason. It is laughably arrogant to claim Spinoza's life and work is a "straw".

I don't scold for not grasping the idea of the Cosmic Christ.It is not an easy idea.

It's using Cosmic Christ a general term but it has connotations that people of other religions reject. It causes issues even if people are basically talking about love and forgiveness.

I agree that the very name, Christ, turns some people off. I regularly attended a large Humanist group's meetings where many members apparently were Humanists because Humanist meetings' order of procedure and language is not churchy.

Language when it comes to the word Christ is a definite problem for people who are not Christian. It serves to divide, not unify.

I am not narrow -minded and I claim that churchy people do not have sole ownership of theology.
I understand that your father in his book sought to write in 'scientific' language.

He didn't use scientific language per se. He just didn't use language that would cause confusion like Cosmic Christ.

This is a pity as theology is not a natural science,

Never heard that. There is tremendous theory in the rising of Christ. This is not accepted by many as being scientific.

but is classed as a humanity .

Think about it logically. If it is classified as a humanity, it would be meant for humans. Duh.


I think the pot is calling the kettle black.

[Belinda]

I revised "theology". I'd better have said philosophy of religion. Sorry about that. I keep learning anyway.

[peacegirl]

I revised "theology". I'd better have said philosophy of religion. Sorry about that. I keep learning anyway.

Even the change of that terminology doesn't actually change the divide between religions and the carefully crafted words which only divide us, not unify us.

Cosmic Christ From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The cosmic Christ is a view of Christology which emphasises the extent of Jesus Christ's concern for the cosmos. The biblical bases for a cosmic Christology is often found in Colossians, Ephesians, and the prologue to the gospel of John.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_Christ

It's really sad because I don't think we were meant to hate each other because of our beliefs especially when it comes to the justification to kill others in the name of one's religion. But everything was necessary because we are moving in one direction, the direction of greater satisfaction and will continue that way until the spell is broken.

[FlashDangerpants]

You mean all this bullshit was in aid not of natural determinism but some teleological version of determinism?

I guess some Calvinist predestinarianism must account for this dumb book's shitty sales.

[FlashDangerpants]

Ok.

Is the cult thing back in play? This is clearly an attempt to start a religion.

[Atla]

Ok.

Is the cult thing back in play? This is clearly an attempt to start a religion.

It seems to be a religion where God isn't a being, instead God is the laws of nature. There is intelligent design but without a designer, there is a grand plan for humanity but without a planner, everything will inevitably end in the future Golden Age (bet you liked that one, Age), and this is for some reason I can't fathom called determinism. Yeah it's like a religion, it's like a cult, but it looks like the guy was such a weirdo that he was doing all this unintentionally actually. That's kinda funny if you ask me.

[peacegirl]

You mean all this bullshit was in aid not of natural determinism but some teleological version of deteterminism.
I guess some Calvinist predestinarianism must account for this dumb book's shitty sales.

Calvinism tries to have its cake and eat it too. I can't speak to a specific purpose, only that we move in the direction of greater satisfaction, which is constantly moving us away from dissatisfaction toward something better. If you want to call that predestination, you can, but that would only be in reference to looking back. It certainly doesn't mean determinism is causing us to do anything we ourselves don't choose. You got so mad when I mentioned determinism can't make us do anything against our will, but that's what people question when they think of this term. Didn't mean to upset you so terribly.

[peacegirl]

Ok.

Is the cult thing back in play? This is clearly an attempt to start a religion.

Will you please stop misrepresenting this book?

As these miraculous changes become a reality, religion comes to an end along with evil because one was the complement of the other. Religion came into existence out of necessity, but when all evil declines and falls and God reveals Himself as the creator as well as the deliverer of all evil, it must also, out of necessity, come to an end. It is important to recognize that religion gets displaced only because mankind will no longer need its services since God, our Creator (this world is no accident), is answering our prayers. Of what value is having an institution that asks mankind to have faith in God, to have faith that one day God will reveal that He is a reality, when He does this by answering our prayers and delivering us from all evil? Is it possible for a minister to preach against sin when there is no further possibility of committing a sin? Is it possible to desire telling others what is right when it is mathematically impossible for them to do what is wrong? However, there is no mathematical standard as to what is right and wrong in human conduct except this hurting of others, and once this is removed, once it becomes impossible to desire hurting another human being, then there will be no need for all those schools, religious or otherwise, that have been teaching us how to cope with a hostile environment that will no longer be.

[FlashDangerpants]

Ok.

Is the cult thing back in play? This is clearly an attempt to start a religion.

It seems to be a religion where God isn't a being, instead God is the laws of nature. There is intelligent design but without a designer, there is a grand plan for humanity but without a planner, everything will inevitably end in the future Golden Age (bet you liked that one, Age), and this is for some reason I can't fathom called determinism. Yeah it's like a religion, it's like a cult, but it looks like the guy was such a weirdo that he was doing all this unintentionally actually. That's kinda funny if you ask me.

A religion claiming to be inspired by iron laws of cause and effect ... but where the effect is the cause of the cause. He should have stayed in school.

[Atla]

Is the cult thing back in play? This is clearly an attempt to start a religion.

It seems to be a religion where God isn't a being, instead God is the laws of nature. There is intelligent design but without a designer, there is a grand plan for humanity but without a planner, everything will inevitably end in the future Golden Age (bet you liked that one, Age), and this is for some reason I can't fathom called determinism. Yeah it's like a religion, it's like a cult, but it looks like the guy was such a weirdo that he was doing all this unintentionally actually. That's kinda funny if you ask me.

A religion claiming to be inspired by iron laws of cause and effect ... but where the effect is the cause of the cause. He should have stayed in school.

I guess he was unteachable because he thought he knew everything better.

[peacegirl]

Is the cult thing back in play? This is clearly an attempt to start a religion.

It seems to be a religion where God isn't a being, instead God is the laws of nature. There is intelligent design but without a designer, there is a grand plan for humanity but without a planner, everything will inevitably end in the future Golden Age (bet you liked that one, Age), and this is for some reason I can't fathom called determinism. Yeah it's like a religion, it's like a cult, but it looks like the guy was such a weirdo that he was doing all this unintentionally actually. That's kinda funny if you ask me.

A religion claiming to be inspired by iron laws of cause and effect ... but where the effect is the cause of the cause. He should have stayed in school.

Unbelievable! You didn't even understand why his definition of determinism was more accurate. You understood nothing. I'm shocked!

[peacegirl]

It seems to be a religion where God isn't a being, instead God is the laws of nature.

There was nothing wrong the way he tried to bring together God and laws.

There is intelligent design but without a designer, there is a grand plan for humanity but without a planner, everything will inevitably end in the future Golden Age (bet you liked that one, Age), and this is for some reason I can't fathom called determinism. Yeah it's like a religion, it's like a cult, but it looks like the guy was such a weirdo that he was doing all this unintentionally actually. That's kinda funny if you ask me.

A religion claiming to be inspired by iron laws of cause and effect ... but where the effect is the cause of the cause. He should have stayed in school.

I guess he was unteachable because he thought he knew everything better.

He was not in competition with anyone. It is obvious that the more I tell people this wasn't him, the more I get pushback. I cannot win here because you use my words against me for no reason other than you people don't want to be wrong. You don't have "I could be wrong" in your vocabulary.

[Belinda]

It seems to be a religion where God isn't a being, instead God is the laws of nature.

There was nothing wrong the way he tried to bring together God and laws.

There is intelligent design but without a designer, there is a grand plan for humanity but without a planner, everything will inevitably end in the future Golden Age (bet you liked that one, Age), and this is for some reason I can't fathom called determinism. Yeah it's like a religion, it's like a cult, but it looks like the guy was such a weirdo that he was doing all this unintentionally actually. That's kinda funny if you ask me.

A religion claiming to be inspired by iron laws of cause and effect ... but where the effect is the cause of the cause. He should have stayed in school.

I guess he was unteachable because he thought he knew everything better.

He was not in competition with anyone. It is obvious that the more I tell people this wasn't him, the more I get pushback. I cannot win here because you use my words against me for no reason other than you people don't want to be wrong. You don't have "I could be wrong" in your vocabulary.

Don't include me in "you people don't want to be wrong". I am contented to be wrong .Being wrong and knowing it is how I can learn better.

I have neither the time nor the interest to read a difficult big book by an unknown author. I am interested in philosophy of religion . If you make an intelligible claim on a specific point I will be interested. I would rather talk to someone who knows more than I do.

Same as Atla, I don't understand what you say about determinism. Are you, Peacegirl , talking about hard determinism? Do you understand what teleological means?

[Belinda]

Is the cult thing back in play? This is clearly an attempt to start a religion.

It seems to be a religion where God isn't a being, instead God is the laws of nature. There is intelligent design but without a designer, there is a grand plan for humanity but without a planner, everything will inevitably end in the future Golden Age (bet you liked that one, Age), and this is for some reason I can't fathom called determinism. Yeah it's like a religion, it's like a cult, but it looks like the guy was such a weirdo that he was doing all this unintentionally actually. That's kinda funny if you ask me.

A religion claiming to be inspired by iron laws of cause and effect ... but where the effect is the cause of the cause. He should have stayed in school.

Thanks for the explanation Atla. If that is what the author claimed then do you think he missed that determinism does not imply prediction? The future is too chaotic to be estimated in such as general way. Sure we can assess specific probabilities by induction. It is even hard for experts to predict tomorrow's weather . But a general prediction like world peace is a pseudo -religious claim based on wishful thinking.