All fears are the fear of death, all others are derivatives

[Alexiev]

All fears are the fear of death, and any derivative can be linked back to the primary fear of death. Your thoughts?

It goes further than that.

Empirically, it is evident there is a biological teleonomic drive to preserve the species.
To do do, all living species [so human species] are 'programmed' [DNA wise] with the following;
- the drive for reproduction of the next generation
- the fear of death, very strongly within reproductive age, tapering pass that,
this two primal drives are to facilitate the preservation of the species.

The above is such that each individual carry the responsibility to ensure the survival of the species which is very forceful, tsunamic so to say within the individual's psychic.

This fear of death is fundamental and it is one of the force that drives all human activities from the subliminal level.

With self-awareness and so awareness of inevitable mortality there is a potential paralysis of life from this very powerful tsunamic force -the primal fear of death. Fortunately, humans are adapted with inhibitors to modulate this forceful fear of death. That is why we don't hear of everyone fearing death all the time but only at times and when triggered by thoughts or sight of death.

As with human nature, there are degrees to the effectiveness of the inhibitors to suppress the fear of death. Those who have severe damage or weak inhibitors end up with thanatophobia a mental illness that need psychiatric help.

Point is, all philosophical views of members here are subjected to the fear of death; with theists highly influenced by it thus needing salvation to soothe the pains from the fear of death. Philosophical realists clinging to an absolutely mind-independent reality are also highly affected by the forces of these primal fear of death.
Wokeism is another lot who are highly affected by the fear of death to the extent some will kill those who do not agree with them [nb: Charlie Kirk].

Those in the know [many philosophical anti-realists] of the above facts strive to improve the efficacy of their inhibitors, so that they can be modulated to improve their well-being optimally.

The notion that there is some "programmed" drive to "facilitate the preservation of the species" is belied by history, biology and genetics. Are the Israelis driven to "preserve the species" when they slaughter Palestinians? How about the Germans in the Holocaust? How about male lions, who kill the lion cubs fathered by others when they take over a pride of lionesses?

IN fact, members of a species compete most directly with each other for scarce resources. They eat the same food, farm the same land, and mate with the same potential parents. Because they are so alike, they compete more directly with members of their species than with members of any other. Hence a long history of violence.

In addition, genetic "success" is sometimes facilitated by death -- if you can save three of your siblings by an altruistic act that kills you, you will facilitate your genetic "success" more effectively than saving yourself and allowing them to die.

Also, the notion that animals are "programmed" by their genes is problematic. Nature vs. nurture is inevitably an unresolvable issue -- both are doubtless involved in behavior.

[commonsense]

All fears are the fear of death, and any derivative can be linked back to the primary fear of death. Your thoughts?

death by calculus...

-Imp

Integraly true

[Martin Peter Clarke]

There are things that are worse than death. Pain and torture are to be feared. Being maimed or paralyzed is to be feared.

In these cases, and perhaps for us all, death is deliverance and an escape from a horrible reality. The fear of death can be overcome by courage and/or pain and death's inevitability, as a pattern that can no longer maintain itself, and it is ultimately given the gift of release. There is an overcoming that solidifies my point. All fear is the fear of death until it is overcome by suffering, pain, and resignation.

Which is another way of saying: some fears aren't of death.

But they aren't fears.

[LuckyR]

In these cases, and perhaps for us all, death is deliverance and an escape from a horrible reality. The fear of death can be overcome by courage and/or pain and death's inevitability, as a pattern that can no longer maintain itself, and it is ultimately given the gift of release. There is an overcoming that solidifies my point. All fear is the fear of death until it is overcome by suffering, pain, and resignation.

Which is another way of saying: some fears aren't of death.

But they aren't fears.

Fears of living (not dying) are fears.

[popeye1945]

This is all very impressive, but try to tie it back to the topic.

Uh, you don't think CULTURE plays a role in things like "fear of death"?
For example, in the sub-culture "military" one of the most important parts of training into this subculture is to replace that with "fear of letting down one's buddies". More generally, culture has a great deal to say about how people of that culture fear death.

Many things, whether in nature or the synthetic nature of societies, can be a threat to the existence of life forms. That is not the argument. Do you agree that all fears are the fear of death, as seemingly remote as they might seem at times, or not? If not, present an argument.

[popeye1945]

Which is another way of saying: some fears aren't of death.

But they aren't fears.

Fears of living (not dying) are fears.

The fear of death can indeed be overcome, which supports my point. Sometimes, a simple reaction without thought can overcome the fear of death; it does not have time to work its chemistry. Fear is definitely a chemical reaction.

[Martin Peter Clarke]

Which is another way of saying: some fears aren't of death.

But they aren't fears.

Fears of living (not dying) are fears.

What fears?

[LuckyR]

But they aren't fears.

Fears of living (not dying) are fears.

What fears?

I don't know how to be more plain than: "fears of living". Help me help you.

[Martin Peter Clarke]

Fears of living (not dying) are fears.

What fears?

I don't know how to be more plain than: "fears of living". Help me help you.

Help yourself. Where do they feature above?

[LuckyR]

What fears?

I don't know how to be more plain than: "fears of living". Help me help you.

Help yourself. Where do they feature above?

Are you related to Age? Say what you have to say, one liner queries don't cut it.

[Martin Peter Clarke]

I don't know how to be more plain than: "fears of living". Help me help you.

Help yourself. Where do they feature above?

Are you related to Age? Say what you have to say, one liner queries don't cut it.

I've couldn't say it any clearer mate, what fears of living? I can't help you if you won't help yourself. And you won't.

[Belinda]

All fears are the fear of death, and any derivative can be linked back to the primary fear of death. Your thoughts?

It goes further than that.

Empirically, it is evident there is a biological teleonomic drive to preserve the species.
To do do, all living species [so human species] are 'programmed' [DNA wise] with the following;
- the drive for reproduction of the next generation
- the fear of death, very strongly within reproductive age, tapering pass that,
this two primal drives are to facilitate the preservation of the species.

The above is such that each individual carry the responsibility to ensure the survival of the species which is very forceful, tsunamic so to say within the individual's psychic.

This fear of death is fundamental and it is one of the force that drives all human activities from the subliminal level.

With self-awareness and so awareness of inevitable mortality there is a potential paralysis of life from this very powerful tsunamic force -the primal fear of death. Fortunately, humans are adapted with inhibitors to modulate this forceful fear of death. That is why we don't hear of everyone fearing death all the time but only at times and when triggered by thoughts or sight of death.

As with human nature, there are degrees to the effectiveness of the inhibitors to suppress the fear of death. Those who have severe damage or weak inhibitors end up with thanatophobia a mental illness that need psychiatric help.

Point is, all philosophical views of members here are subjected to the fear of death; with theists highly influenced by it thus needing salvation to soothe the pains from the fear of death. Philosophical realists clinging to an absolutely mind-independent reality are also highly affected by the forces of these primal fear of death.
Wokeism is another lot who are highly affected by the fear of death to the extent some will kill those who do not agree with them [nb: Charlie Kirk].

Those in the know [many philosophical anti-realists] of the above facts strive to improve the efficacy of their inhibitors, so that they can be modulated to improve their well-being optimally.

The notion that there is some "programmed" drive to "facilitate the preservation of the species" is belied by history, biology and genetics. Are the Israelis driven to "preserve the species" when they slaughter Palestinians? How about the Germans in the Holocaust? How about male lions, who kill the lion cubs fathered by others when they take over a pride of lionesses?

IN fact, members of a species compete most directly with each other for scarce resources. They eat the same food, farm the same land, and mate with the same potential parents. Because they are so alike, they compete more directly with members of their species than with members of any other. Hence a long history of violence.

In addition, genetic "success" is sometimes facilitated by death -- if you can save three of your siblings by an altruistic act that kills you, you will facilitate your genetic "success" more effectively than saving yourself and allowing them to die.

Also, the notion that animals are "programmed" by their genes is problematic. Nature vs. nurture is inevitably an unresolvable issue -- both are doubtless involved in behavior.

Of course, all you say is true, the better informed argument.

The nature/nurture debate is perhaps a useful heuristic to apply to artificial intelligence/ human intelligence .This in view of the fact that human brains are nurtured within social groups(Vygotski et al) whereas AI machines are trained as individuals.

[promethean75]

You guys are afraid of dyin'? Well, i ain't

[mickthinks]

Some people fear intimacy. I think that is derived from a fear of life.

[Belinda]

Some people fear intimacy. I think that is derived from a fear of life.

I agree with Popeye in the original post this thread.

Fear of death pervades all conscious creatures. Fear is naturally selected as a defence mechanism. Of course most species don't have debates about the concept of death.

Without the fear response an individual would be unlikely to survive long enough to be mature enough to reproduce his or her kind.