Christianity

[Belinda]

Your son would remove the flag of your own country...and you'd agree with that?

But that symbol is a representation of your collective life, your native people, your own land. How can you despise yourself in that way?

What are you advocating instead of England? The WEF?

I was responding to another Englishman. You may not be aware of the tension in the UK about the symbolism of national flags . In the UK the symbolism of National flags has been hi-jacked by extreme right wing influencers and their supporters.

No, it's been hijacked by Leftists, turned into a symbol of their hatred, and despised, just as they have also tried to do to the stars and stripes of the US. The idea is that if they can debase the flag, they'll also debase any sense of national identity, and make it impossible for people even to love their own country or admire their own people.

I'm not in either country. I don't owe any allegiance to either flag. But I can see that those who abuse their own flag are either self-loathers who've been made into Lenin's "useful idiots" by the new global Socialism, or ideologues who are understand the global Socialist strategy and are trying to pull down their own homeland for ideological purposes.

Here's the simple truth: the union jack is still the same union jack. It's no more or less than it has always been...the standard of the English people. It wasn't the Nazi flag that Nelson flew on the Victory, or the Nazi flag that was stamped on the planes that fought the Nazis in the Battle of Britain, was it? So who was it who, according to your son, converted the symbol of English courage into a Fascist symbol? And why is he agreeing with those alleged "converters," by now hating his own flag?

Your boy's being played. He just doesn't know it.

You are funny , Manny. Anything that is bad you say is bad because it is socialist or left wing. It's a sort of automatic reaction in your case. It would be interesting to find out how you learned the behaviour.

[Immanuel Can]

I was responding to another Englishman. You may not be aware of the tension in the UK about the symbolism of national flags . In the UK the symbolism of National flags has been hi-jacked by extreme right wing influencers and their supporters.

No, it's been hijacked by Leftists, turned into a symbol of their hatred, and despised, just as they have also tried to do to the stars and stripes of the US. The idea is that if they can debase the flag, they'll also debase any sense of national identity, and make it impossible for people even to love their own country or admire their own people.

I'm not in either country. I don't owe any allegiance to either flag. But I can see that those who abuse their own flag are either self-loathers who've been made into Lenin's "useful idiots" by the new global Socialism, or ideologues who are understand the global Socialist strategy and are trying to pull down their own homeland for ideological purposes.

Here's the simple truth: the union jack is still the same union jack. It's no more or less than it has always been...the standard of the English people. It wasn't the Nazi flag that Nelson flew on the Victory, or the Nazi flag that was stamped on the planes that fought the Nazis in the Battle of Britain, was it? So who was it who, according to your son, converted the symbol of English courage into a Fascist symbol? And why is he agreeing with those alleged "converters," by now hating his own flag?

Your boy's being played. He just doesn't know it.

You are funny , Manny. Anything that is bad you say is bad because it is socialist or left wing. It's a sort of automatic reaction in your case. It would be interesting to find out how you learned the behaviour.

Correction: Socialism IS bad. Historically, it's done nothing but crash economies and murder people. It can't stand on its historical record...at all.

But this is about your flag. It doesn't represent "capitalism," or "Socialism," or "white supremacy" or "the welfare state," or anything else: it represents your country and its people. Somebody told you otherwise -- but whoever he was, he lied. And you believed him anyway.

[Martin Peter Clarke]

I am British and I would say more but one has to be careful not to identity oneself on a public forum.
I am not as bold as I seem. Yesterday my son told me he'd remove flags from lamp posts if they should appear on his street whereupon I begged him to be careful as dangerous people around. He said that it matters to take action against the extreme right evils, that reconciliation is not an option. I admire and agree with my son but my heart fails me with fear .

I'm not surprised. I would threaten to cut my son off if he did such a thing. It's extremely dangerous. The vast majority of the oppressed working class, exercised by immigration, are not extreme right evil. But.

I agree and I did not say they were. It's not social class but lack of education that correlates with the rash of flag - waving agitators.

That's a class issue. The ruling class make it impossible, through the media and lack of education, for the masses to realise that the ruling class is the enemy of all others. For a thousand years and more, they stole the land and sold the masses a country.

[Belinda]

I'm not surprised. I would threaten to cut my son off if he did such a thing. It's extremely dangerous. The vast majority of the oppressed working class, exercised by immigration, are not extreme right evil. But.

I agree and I did not say they were. It's not social class but lack of education that correlates with the rash of flag - waving agitators.

That's a class issue. The ruling class make it impossible, through the media and lack of education, for the masses to realise that the ruling class is the enemy of all others. For a thousand years and more, they stole the land and sold the masses a country.

I completely agree

[Belinda]

Christianity
Britain used to refer to itself as a Christian country.
There seems to be little agreement as to what we are today.
In modern terms:
Christianity is not about simple freedom of the individual will.
Christianity is not about simple obedience to moral codes.
Christianity is about informed conformity to altruist values.
Human and other rights and duties are legal constructs based on values.

The last time I went to church I read big font , gold leaf, up on the wall GOD IS LOVE.
We learn fear and love through others’ experience in stories—Scripture, parables, history—growing sympathy and guiding moral action.

[Belinda]

Christianity
Britain used to refer to itself as a Christian country.
There seems to be little agreement as to what we are today.
In modern terms:
Christianity is not about simple freedom of the individual will.
Christianity is not about simple obedience to moral codes.
Christianity is about informed conformity to altruist values.
Human and other rights and duties are legal constructs based on values.

The last time I went to church I read big font , gold leaf, up on the wall GOD IS LOVE.
We learn fear and love through others’ experience in stories—scripture, parables, history, human geography, novels, reportage, drama

growing sympathy and guiding moral action.

[Belinda]

No, it's been hijacked by Leftists, turned into a symbol of their hatred, and despised, just as they have also tried to do to the stars and stripes of the US. The idea is that if they can debase the flag, they'll also debase any sense of national identity, and make it impossible for people even to love their own country or admire their own people.

I'm not in either country. I don't owe any allegiance to either flag. But I can see that those who abuse their own flag are either self-loathers who've been made into Lenin's "useful idiots" by the new global Socialism, or ideologues who are understand the global Socialist strategy and are trying to pull down their own homeland for ideological purposes.

Here's the simple truth: the union jack is still the same union jack. It's no more or less than it has always been...the standard of the English people. It wasn't the Nazi flag that Nelson flew on the Victory, or the Nazi flag that was stamped on the planes that fought the Nazis in the Battle of Britain, was it? So who was it who, according to your son, converted the symbol of English courage into a Fascist symbol? And why is he agreeing with those alleged "converters," by now hating his own flag?

Your boy's being played. He just doesn't know it.

You are funny , Manny. Anything that is bad you say is bad because it is socialist or left wing. It's a sort of automatic reaction in your case. It would be interesting to find out how you learned the behaviour.

Correction: Socialism IS bad. Historically, it's done nothing but crash economies and murder people. It can't stand on its historical record...at all.

But this is about your flag. It doesn't represent "capitalism," or "Socialism," or "white supremacy" or "the welfare state," or anything else: it represents your country and its people. Somebody told you otherwise -- but whoever he was, he lied. And you believed him anyway.

Discussing with you feels like trying to discuss with a breeze block.

[Martin Peter Clarke]

I agree and I did not say they were. It's not social class but lack of education that correlates with the rash of flag - waving agitators.

That's a class issue. The ruling class make it impossible, through the media and lack of education, for the masses to realise that the ruling class is the enemy of all others. For a thousand years and more, they stole the land and sold the masses a country.

I completely agree

But the masses cannot see it. So they go on Unite The Kingdom demos opposed by the feeble antis. And elect Farage who will be PM until he dies in office despite making it all much, much worse for everyone. Except the ruling class. Keep your loved ones close. Keep them off the street. He'll stop the boat people the way Trump stopped the Ukraine war. But it's like Brexit, it ruined everything for everyone, but the masses would have less than have more and share space with foreigners. Because the LEFT won't ever do anything about it. They . can . not. Because they won't touch the ruling class. They can only fiddle with income tax, and they can't even do that, whilst social justice burns.

[Martin Peter Clarke]

Christianity
Britain used to refer to itself as a Christian country.
There seems to be little agreement as to what we are today.
In modern terms:
Christianity is not about simple freedom of the individual will.
Christianity is not about simple obedience to moral codes.
Christianity is about informed conformity to altruist values.
Human and other rights and duties are legal constructs based on values.

The last time I went to church I read big font , gold leaf, up on the wall GOD IS LOVE.
We learn fear and love through others’ experience in stories—Scripture, parables, history—growing sympathy and guiding moral action.

IT'S A HOLLOW LIE.

[Belinda]

Christianity
Britain used to refer to itself as a Christian country.
There seems to be little agreement as to what we are today.
In modern terms:
Christianity is not about simple freedom of the individual will.
Christianity is not about simple obedience to moral codes.
Christianity is about informed conformity to altruist values.
Human and other rights and duties are legal constructs based on values.

The last time I went to church I read big font , gold leaf, up on the wall GOD IS LOVE.
We learn fear and love through others’ experience in stories—Scripture, parables, history—growing sympathy and guiding moral action.

IT'S A HOLLOW LIE.

To what do you refer? What I say, or what the sign in the church said?

Please remember that some signs point to intentions not physical facts.

[Martin Peter Clarke]

The last time I went to church I read big font , gold leaf, up on the wall GOD IS LOVE.
We learn fear and love through others’ experience in stories—Scripture, parables, history—growing sympathy and guiding moral action.

IT'S A HOLLOW LIE.

To what do you refer? What I say, or what the sign in the church said?

Please remember that some signs point to intentions not physical facts.

No not you! Never. I was replying in caps to GOD IS LOVE.

And I'd covered all the meanings. The Church does not reflect that at all in not pursuing social justice above all, Unlike its founder.

Even if God were Love, the Church isn't.

[Immanuel Can]

You are funny , Manny. Anything that is bad you say is bad because it is socialist or left wing. It's a sort of automatic reaction in your case. It would be interesting to find out how you learned the behaviour.

Correction: Socialism IS bad. Historically, it's done nothing but crash economies and murder people. It can't stand on its historical record...at all.

But this is about your flag. It doesn't represent "capitalism," or "Socialism," or "white supremacy" or "the welfare state," or anything else: it represents your country and its people. Somebody told you otherwise -- but whoever he was, he lied. And you believed him anyway.

Discussing with you feels like trying to discuss with a breeze block.

I notice you haven’t responded to the substance of the point. You’ve just gone ad hominem and irrelevant. It seems this is the old, female, “If I can’t think of a comeback, I’ll try to shame him into silence” tactic. Unfortunately for you, that tactic only works on people who have a craving for esteem. You can’t withhold what a person doesn’t care about.

Do you actually have any reason to treat your own flag as if it were a Nazi symbol? Or are you just gobsmacked about that?

[Immanuel Can]

I am not as bold as I seem. Yesterday my son told me he'd remove flags from lamp posts if they should appear on his street whereupon I begged him to be careful as dangerous people around. He said that it matters to take action against the extreme right evils, that reconciliation is not an option. I admire and agree with my son but my heart fails me with fear .

Here's an interesting statistic for you, Belinda.

A new poll in the US just showed that Leftists are six times -- SIX TIMES -- more likely to advocate and celebrate violence, and even the murder of a political opponent, than are conservatives...it's 26% to 3-4%.

So your son is probably safe, and will be allowed to behave like a brainless yahoo and burn his own flag...unless he turns conservative, in which case, a quarter of his own Leftist friends would regard it as warranted to pound or lynch him.

Lucky you.

[Belinda]

IT'S A HOLLOW LIE.

To what do you refer? What I say, or what the sign in the church said?

Please remember that some signs point to intentions not physical facts.

No not you! Never. I was replying in caps to GOD IS LOVE.

And I'd covered all the meanings. The Church does not reflect that at all in not pursuing social justice above all, Unlike its founder.

Even if God were Love, the Church isn't.

Actually it was a Unitarian church. Many Unitarians are Humanists. The particular church to which I refer was formerly a focus for the Labour party.

[Belinda]

I am not as bold as I seem. Yesterday my son told me he'd remove flags from lamp posts if they should appear on his street whereupon I begged him to be careful as dangerous people around. He said that it matters to take action against the extreme right evils, that reconciliation is not an option. I admire and agree with my son but my heart fails me with fear .

Here's an interesting statistic for you, Belinda.

A new poll in the US just showed that Leftists are six times -- SIX TIMES -- more likely to advocate and celebrate violence, and even the murder of a political opponent, than are conservatives...it's 26% to 3-4%.

So your son is probably safe, and will be allowed to behave like a brainless yahoo and burn his own flag...unless he turns conservative, in which case, a quarter of his own Leftist friends would regard it as warranted to pound or lynch him.

Lucky you.

Immanuel Can claims “leftists are six times more likely to advocate and celebrate violence and even murder.” That’s not true.

The actual poll (YouGov) asked whether it’s acceptable to feel joy at a political opponent’s death. 24% of “very liberal” respondents said yes, vs 4% of conservatives.

That’s about emotions, not advocating murder. Conflating “feeling satisfaction when an enemy dies” with “celebrating violence” isn’t just misleading — it’s a willful distortion of the data.