New Discovery

[peacegirl]

Does Mensa give IQ certificates now ?

Forget Mensa, people who only have high IQ (even if it's 200 IQ) aren't fast enough thinkers. They still use conscious 'linear' thoughts instead of letting their unconscious brain parallel process many possibilities all at once.

But I passed with a top score which was largely due to good guesses.

That’s wonderful Belinda. The fact that you are curious about different points of view shows you’re an open-minded person. The numeral designation means nothing. Kudos to you!

[peacegirl]

This video is very enlightening. Nothing here conflicts with this discovery but since this thread is fading into oblivion, I thought other trains of thought may be interesting for their own sake.

https://youtu.be/sIvP5NCujkg?si=3LpRI9HZz_z4xjys

The interesting thing is not that we are dissatisfied every moment of our existence, but the direction this dissatisfaction takes. It is exactly what Lessans established. No conflict at all. Also revealing is that dissatisfaction is the movement of life itself, regardless of where that movement leads.

The important point here is that whatever was chosen could not have been otherwise after the fact. It is also true that any choice made was consistent with that individual’s desire and motives, but this in itself does not negate the claim that any choice made is the right choice because we cannot avoid moving away from dissatisfaction to greater satisfaction every single moment of our lives from the minute we wake up to the minute we go to sleep (which libertarians refute), giving us no free choice whatsoever. That is the only thing being established at this point.

[peacegirl]

This video is not an accusation of anyone here but rather a general observation of how group think works in these type forums. It seems to keep people under wraps who are afraid to speak their mind because they are less respected than the big wheels and fear reprisal. I saw what went on between Age and Atla, which was very telling. What I do know is that these forums, although not the right place for a new discovery, have actually helped me realize that I was wrong to expect anything more than what I got. It was my hope beyond hope that this forum would be different, but, alas, it was the same as the others I've been to, if not worse.

To be so quick to determine that because moving in the direction of “greater satisfaction” was considered an empty tautology by FlashDangerpants, which was countered by Steve Patterson’s refutation that tautologies are not empty, do you think anyone cared to rethink their position, even temporarily, to give the author the benefit of the doubt? Nope. Now this thread will be forgotten before it ever had a chance. This is not a sign of an open mind; it’s a complete dismissal of this work without a second thought that maybe, just maybe, this is not some kind of second-rate cult or phony religion, or worse, a way to fool people in order to make a buck. Moreover, the fact that people used this horrible review against him indicates to me how shallow and unreflecting group think can be. If one person puts an idea into the head of the herd, everyone follows blindly.

Tautologies Must Not Be Dismissed
December 13, 2015
Trivial. Redundant. Dogmatic. Useless.

That’s what people really mean when they say, “Oh, your argument is just a tautology.” Indeed, one of the quickest ways to dismiss an idea is to label it “tautological” and, therefore, empty of content.

The standard philosophic position goes like this, “Tautologies are merely true by definition and cannot teach us anything about the world.”

I couldn’t disagree more strongly with this line of reasoning. Not only is it mistaken to dismiss tautologies, it’s completely backwards. For three distinct reasons, tautologies are foundational for critical reasoning; they are the building blocks for an accurate worldview.

https://steve-patterson.com/tautologies ... dismissed/

What I do know is that Lessans was a quiet man. He was never boastful which is reflective of someone who did not need applause or recognition. The sad part of my visit here is that we never got to the discovery itself, or how, when this knowledge is extended has the power to change human conduct in ways that seem miraculous, although they don't transcend the laws of nature.

https://youtu.be/ebCONARpTHA?si=5eYRiR4BDVxBjqNx

[Atla]

This video is not an accusation of anyone here but rather a general observation of how group think works in these type forums. It seems to keep people under wraps who are afraid to speak their mind because they are less respected than the big wheels and fear reprisal. What I do know is that these forums, although not the right place for a new discovery, have actually helped me realize that I was wrong to expect anything more than what I got which has nothing to do with the genuineness of this knowledge.

To be so quick to determine that because moving in the direction of “greater satisfaction” is considered an empty tautology by FlashDangerpants, which was countered by Steve Patterson’s refutation that tautologies are not empty, do you think anyone cared to respond to that refutation or to reevaluate their position, even temporarily? That’s not a sign of an open mind; it’s a complete dismissal before any real understanding has occurred. Moreover, the fact that people used this horrible review against him indicates to me how shallow people can be.

What I do know is that Lessans was a quiet man. He was never boastful which is reflective of someone who did not need applause or recognition. The sad part of my visit here is that we never got to the discovery itself, or how, when this knowledge is extended, has the power to change human conduct for the better.

https://youtu.be/ebCONARpTHA?si=5eYRiR4BDVxBjqNx

Your father's work was sufficiently refuted in this thread, and it already received more attention than it deserves. Deal with it.

[peacegirl]

This video is not an accusation of anyone here but rather a general observation of how group think works in these type forums. It seems to keep people under wraps who are afraid to speak their mind because they are less respected than the big wheels and fear reprisal. What I do know is that these forums, although not the right place for a new discovery, have actually helped me realize that I was wrong to expect anything more than what I got which has nothing to do with the genuineness of this knowledge.

To be so quick to determine that because moving in the direction of “greater satisfaction” is considered an empty tautology by FlashDangerpants, which was countered by Steve Patterson’s refutation that tautologies are not empty, do you think anyone cared to respond to that refutation or to reevaluate their position, even temporarily? That’s not a sign of an open mind; it’s a complete dismissal before any real understanding has occurred. Moreover, the fact that people used this horrible review against him indicates to me how shallow people can be.

What I do know is that Lessans was a quiet man. He was never boastful which is reflective of someone who did not need applause or recognition. The sad part of my visit here is that we never got to the discovery itself, or how, when this knowledge is extended, has the power to change human conduct for the better.

https://youtu.be/ebCONARpTHA?si=5eYRiR4BDVxBjqNx

Your father's work was sufficiently refuted in this thread, and it already received more attention than it deserves. Deal with it.

Absolutely not Atla. You can't even tell me what his discovery is. Other than FlashDangerpants positing that he must be wrong because his proof of determinism is a tautology, this ended any further discussion since, in his mind, everything else that follows must be false. This is poor reasoning even if it came from King Flashdangerpants himself.

[Atla]

This video is not an accusation of anyone here but rather a general observation of how group think works in these type forums. It seems to keep people under wraps who are afraid to speak their mind because they are less respected than the big wheels and fear reprisal. What I do know is that these forums, although not the right place for a new discovery, have actually helped me realize that I was wrong to expect anything more than what I got which has nothing to do with the genuineness of this knowledge.

To be so quick to determine that because moving in the direction of “greater satisfaction” is considered an empty tautology by FlashDangerpants, which was countered by Steve Patterson’s refutation that tautologies are not empty, do you think anyone cared to respond to that refutation or to reevaluate their position, even temporarily? That’s not a sign of an open mind; it’s a complete dismissal before any real understanding has occurred. Moreover, the fact that people used this horrible review against him indicates to me how shallow people can be.

What I do know is that Lessans was a quiet man. He was never boastful which is reflective of someone who did not need applause or recognition. The sad part of my visit here is that we never got to the discovery itself, or how, when this knowledge is extended, has the power to change human conduct for the better.

https://youtu.be/ebCONARpTHA?si=5eYRiR4BDVxBjqNx

Your father's work was sufficiently refuted in this thread, and it already received more attention than it deserves. Deal with it.

Absolutely not Atla. You can't even tell me what his discovery is. Other than FlashDangerpants positing that he must be wrong because his proof of determinism is a tautology, this ended any further discussion because, in his mind, everything else that follows must be false. This is poor reasoning even if it came from King Flashdangerpants himself.

I refuted all 3 of his discoveries easily. You already forgot this because you're senile and also have a total lack of intellect so have no chance of understanding the refutations.

I don't know what FDP meant by a tautology, I didn't see any, but I like how obsessed you became with him.

[peacegirl]

Your father's work was sufficiently refuted in this thread, and it already received more attention than it deserves. Deal with it.

Absolutely not Atla. You can't even tell me what his discovery is. Other than FlashDangerpants positing that he must be wrong because his proof of determinism is a tautology, this ended any further discussion because, in his mind, everything else that follows must be false. This is poor reasoning even if it came from King Flashdangerpants himself.

I refuted all 3 of his discoveries easily. You already forgot this because you're senile and also have a total lack of intellect so have no chance of understanding the refutations.

I don't know what FDP meant by a tautology, I didn't see any, but I like how obsessed you became with him.

What is wrong with you Atla? Do you think I'm going to ignore your insults? If you cannot talk to me like a normal human being, then forget it.

[Atla]

Absolutely not Atla. You can't even tell me what his discovery is. Other than FlashDangerpants positing that he must be wrong because his proof of determinism is a tautology, this ended any further discussion because, in his mind, everything else that follows must be false. This is poor reasoning even if it came from King Flashdangerpants himself.

I refuted all 3 of his discoveries easily. You already forgot this because you're senile and also have a total lack of intellect so have no chance of understanding the refutations.

I don't know what FDP meant by a tautology, I didn't see any, but I like how obsessed you became with him.

What is wrong with you Atla? Do you think I'm going to ignore your insults? If you cannot talk to me like a normal human being, then forget it.

Actually I'm being factual while you think you and your father are smarter than everyone else.

[FlashDangerpants]

King Flashdangerpants

Is bored of you.

[peacegirl]

I refuted all 3 of his discoveries easily. You already forgot this because you're senile and also have a total lack of intellect so have no chance of understanding the refutations.

I don't know what FDP meant by a tautology, I didn't see any, but I like how obsessed you became with him.

What is wrong with you Atla? Do you think I'm going to ignore your insults? If you cannot talk to me like a normal human being, then forget it.

Actually I'm being factual while you think you and your father are smarter than everyone else.

This is the most juvenile thing I've heard yet. I read that you think that no one can outwit you in a discussion because you're the most intelligent. This is turning into twilight zone, not a philosophy forum.

[peacegirl]

King Flashdangerpants

Is bored of you.

All I have to say is tootaloo and be well.

[promethean75]

"What is wrong with you Atla?"

Nothing is wrong with Atla Shruggs. He is compelled by his nature to act for his greatest benefit and doesn't have the freewill to do otherwise. To insult you brought the greatest satisfaction to Atla and he cannot decide against it!

Your old man will tell you all about it. He wrote a book about that very thing, in fact.

[peacegirl]

"What is wrong with you Atla?"

Nothing is wrong with Atlas. He is compelled by his nature to act for his greatest benefit and doesn't have the freewill to do otherwise. To insult you brought the greatest satisfaction to Atla and he cannot decide otherwise!

Your old man will tell you all about it. He wrote a book about that very thing, in fact.

That is true promethean75. He got greater satisfaction answering me in a very demeaning way. Now that he expressed himself, he could not not have expressed himself that way. It's already done. Whether he wants to continue in the same way is not yet here, but he knows that if he gets greater satisfaction continuing with the same ad homs, I won't be answering him. The ball is in his court.

[promethean75]

"The ball is in his court"

The ball is in the court of that which compels Atla Shruggs to find greater satisfaction in whatever he ends up deciding to do, you mean.

[peacegirl]

"The ball is in his court"

The ball is in the court of that which compels Atla Shruggs to find greater satisfaction in whatever he ends up deciding to do, you mean.

Exactly my point. If he does not want to come back and have a friendly give and take, then he is getting greater satisfaction in not coming back. Why this matters is that under changed environmental conditions, greater satisfaction takes on a different meaning altogether when it comes to "evil" or "hurt" in human relations. Due to a paradigm shift of a free will environment of blame and punishment to an environment where we know IN ADVANCE that we will not be blamed or punished, regardless of what is done; that there will be no authority or control telling us what we must do or else, along with the removal of all hurt done to us that would justify retaliation, the world is compelled to do a complete about face.

IOW, retaliation is a normal reaction to hurt that has been done to us, but when all hurt is removed from the environment (too many changes to list here), there can be no retaliation to it. To hurt someone under these new conditions would be a first blow, not a retaliatory blow, which cannot be justified. Our conscience will not permit it. Conscience has never reached the temperature necessary to prevent what we don't want. If you don't want to be part of this new world, you don't have to. The reason he was so confident that these principles work is that this is an invariable law (whether people here see it or not) and when not hurting someone becomes the most preferable choice, or hurting someone becomes the least preferable choice (remember: many changes must take place which are in Chapter Six: The New Economic System before this law can effectively operate), our problem is solved because striking a first blow when there is no possible justification will give us less satisfaction, not more.

If will was free, we could choose what gives us less satisfaction when something offering us greater satisfaction was available (the invariable law referred to), which would mean that we could hurt others regardless of the conditions that prevail, but this would be impossible when we are forced to obey it. This proves conclusively that man’s will is not free. God knew what he was doing.

https://acrobat.adobe.com/id/urn:aaid:s ... ff36712d13