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Re: Good and Evil

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Fairy wrote: Mon Sep 08, 2025 6:57 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sun Sep 07, 2025 11:44 pm
promethean75 wrote: Sun Sep 07, 2025 6:44 pm I count all tonic emotions against me as love. Even the hatred is a form of love. My attacker is in love with his/her power to be an enemy to me. The guy you love to hate and all that.

There really is no such thing as hate... it's all various degrees of love.
I have had the same thoughts.

Hatred is a lesser degree of love compared to another degree of love and yet what remains is love.
Love and hate are identical. There’s no difference.
You claim such things and yet their distinctions remain.
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Re: Good and Evil

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Fairy wrote: Mon Sep 08, 2025 7:00 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sun Sep 07, 2025 11:46 pm
Fairy wrote: Sun Sep 07, 2025 6:38 pm E 👍

In your experience the distinction is very real for you.
You are making the distinction of it being my experience...that is your experience. Regardless of experience distinction remains, for in claiming one experience relative to another the common thread is that they are distinctions. All things occur by the act of distinction for that is what existence is: distinction.
Nothing makes distinction as something.

Something makes distinction as nothing.

Same difference.

Same no difference.
And yet the same difference implies a difference for the same difference is still a difference.
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Re: Good and Evil

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Fairy wrote: Mon Sep 08, 2025 7:11 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sun Sep 07, 2025 11:46 pm
Fairy wrote: Sun Sep 07, 2025 6:38 pm E 👍

In your experience the distinction is very real for you.
You are making the distinction of it being my experience...that is your experience. Regardless of experience distinction remains, for in claiming one experience relative to another the common thread is that they are distinctions. All things occur by the act of distinction for that is what existence is: distinction.
The distinction is born of the mirror effect.

You there is the mirror for me here, really you. You are me and me is you. The distinction is a projection I have created.
I see, so you create your own distinctions and yet I do not mirror them for I claim they are yours, not mine, and you claim we are both one. You seem to harbor internal contradiction. Do you accept or reject this?
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Re: Good and Evil

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promethean75 wrote: Sun Sep 07, 2025 6:44 pm I count all tonic emotions against me as love. Even the hatred is a form of love. My attacker is in love with his/her power to be an enemy to me. The guy you love to hate and all that.

There really is no such thing as hate... it's all various degrees of love.
I'm reminded of Mad King Ludwig of Bavaria, running after his subjects and saying, 'Love me! You scum!'.
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Re: Good and Evil

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Sep 09, 2025 5:04 am
Fairy wrote: Mon Sep 08, 2025 7:11 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sun Sep 07, 2025 11:46 pm

You are making the distinction of it being my experience...that is your experience. Regardless of experience distinction remains, for in claiming one experience relative to another the common thread is that they are distinctions. All things occur by the act of distinction for that is what existence is: distinction.
The distinction is born of the mirror effect.

You there is the mirror for me here, really you. You are me and me is you. The distinction is a projection I have created.
I see, so you create your own distinctions and yet I do not mirror them for I claim they are yours, not mine, and you claim we are both one. You seem to harbor internal contradiction. Do you accept or reject this?
It’s no secret I love making ‘something’ out of nothing. Creating. I accept this contradiction yes, for I created the contradiction. There’s no one else being me, just me.

Without the mind as my projection screen, where do I happen? I am the giver and recipient both.

Being is infinite and one, unbroken, indistinguished. Experience is always finite.. It's a reflection within The One. You can have an experience of the infinite but it will never match the infinite itself. What you are is infinite, what you experience is limited.
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Re: Good and Evil

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Fairy wrote: Tue Sep 09, 2025 10:17 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Sep 09, 2025 5:04 am
Fairy wrote: Mon Sep 08, 2025 7:11 am

The distinction is born of the mirror effect.

You there is the mirror for me here, really you. You are me and me is you. The distinction is a projection I have created.
I see, so you create your own distinctions and yet I do not mirror them for I claim they are yours, not mine, and you claim we are both one. You seem to harbor internal contradiction. Do you accept or reject this?
It’s no secret I love making ‘something’ out of nothing. Creating. I accept this contradiction yes, for I created the contradiction. There’s no one else being me, just me.

Without the mind as my projection screen, where do I happen? I am the giver and recipient both.

Being is infinite and one, unbroken, indistinguished. Experience is always finite.. It's a reflection within The One. You can have an experience of the infinite but it will never match the infinite itself. What you are is infinite, what you experience is limited.
If contradiction occurs than we know things for what they are by opposition induced distinction. The contradiction most fear is but the means by which the knowledge they seek occurs.
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Re: Good and Evil

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The contradiction or paradox is part of the illusion of duality. The many of ONe

No one has ever seen their original face, or even their brain. One only knows itself as and through its own reflection.
The seen exterior is a reflection of the unseen interior.
Everything is literally living both outside and inside of Gods mind/brain simultaneously. Everything is an image of God’s imageless essence, or spirit so to speak.
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Re: Good and Evil

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Fairy wrote: Fri Sep 12, 2025 7:20 am The contradiction or paradox is part of the illusion of duality. The many of ONe

No one has ever seen their original face, or even their brain. One only knows itself as and through its own reflection.
The seen exterior is a reflection of the unseen interior.
Everything is literally living both outside and inside of Gods mind/brain simultaneously. Everything is an image of God’s imageless essence, or spirit so to speak.
Parts limit reality to the paradox of one and many. No...if all is one then illusion is one with truth and this oneness is but a distinction as said reality corresponding to a contrastual state of multiplicity for such oneness to be what it is as oneness.

Paradox is not part of reality...it is reality for all truths begin and end by paradox.

So now what?

Paradox is but a means of initiating process and by degree such foundations and ends within knowing relegate attention to be a process where truth and falsity, reality and illusion to be but processes.

What is fixed? How the process occurs.

How does it occur?

Distinction.

And how does this reveal good and evil?

As cause and effect.
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Re: Good and Evil

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Sep 17, 2025 7:08 am
Fairy wrote: Fri Sep 12, 2025 7:20 am The contradiction or paradox is part of the illusion of duality. The many of ONe

No one has ever seen their original face, or even their brain. One only knows itself as and through its own reflection.
The seen exterior is a reflection of the unseen interior.
Everything is literally living both outside and inside of Gods mind/brain simultaneously. Everything is an image of God’s imageless essence, or spirit so to speak.
Parts limit reality to the paradox of one and many. No...if all is one then illusion is one with truth and this oneness is but a distinction as said reality corresponding to a contrastual state of multiplicity for such oneness to be what it is as oneness.

Paradox is not part of reality...it is reality for all truths begin and end by paradox.

So now what?

Paradox is but a means of initiating process and by degree such foundations and ends within knowing relegate attention to be a process where truth and falsity, reality and illusion to be but processes.

What is fixed? How the process occurs.

How does it occur?

Distinction.

And how does this reveal good and evil?

As cause and effect.
Nicely explained 👍

I’m seeing it from this right angled perspective too, thanks for showing us readers that right angled approach. Amazing!

It’s funny because I am able to grasp what you are saying so easily here, you are helping me enormously to understand my own thoughts about these subjects as you continue to parse without negative overbearing criticism, rather, it’s constructive and not intended to dismiss others views as irrelevant. It’s how professional people operate in philosophical discussions. Thanks as always for your valuable and honest feedback.
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Re: Good and Evil

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Fairy wrote: Wed Sep 17, 2025 7:47 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Sep 17, 2025 7:08 am
Fairy wrote: Fri Sep 12, 2025 7:20 am The contradiction or paradox is part of the illusion of duality. The many of ONe

No one has ever seen their original face, or even their brain. One only knows itself as and through its own reflection.
The seen exterior is a reflection of the unseen interior.
Everything is literally living both outside and inside of Gods mind/brain simultaneously. Everything is an image of God’s imageless essence, or spirit so to speak.
Parts limit reality to the paradox of one and many. No...if all is one then illusion is one with truth and this oneness is but a distinction as said reality corresponding to a contrastual state of multiplicity for such oneness to be what it is as oneness.

Paradox is not part of reality...it is reality for all truths begin and end by paradox.

So now what?

Paradox is but a means of initiating process and by degree such foundations and ends within knowing relegate attention to be a process where truth and falsity, reality and illusion to be but processes.

What is fixed? How the process occurs.

How does it occur?

Distinction.

And how does this reveal good and evil?

As cause and effect.
Nicely explained 👍

I’m seeing it from this right angled perspective too, thanks for showing us readers that right angled approach. Amazing!

It’s funny because I am able to grasp what you are saying so easily here, you are helping me enormously to understand my own thoughts about these subjects as you continue to parse without negative overbearing criticism, rather, it’s constructive and not intended to dismiss others views as irrelevant. It’s how professional people operate in philosophical discussions. Thanks as always for your valuable and honest feedback.
But, how so-called 'professional people' operate in 'philosophical discussions', as always depends on 'the ways' individuals are defining 'the words' being used.

For example, to me anyway,
The 'professional' word is utterly not needed, here, and so is completely redundant.
How you people 'operate' in any discussion is dependent upon 'the goal' sort.
'Philosophical discussions' are what is done when answers and/or solutions are being sought out, and never ever when one has already decided what is true, right, accurate, nor Correct.
How answers and solutions are found in philosophical discussions is just through 'logical reasoning'.

Now, whenever one has a presumption, or a pre-existing conclusion, which they believe is true, but will not elaborate nor clarify 'their position' when asked to and/nor will provide irrefutable proof for their claims, like 'these ones' above, here, then whatever view they have, even if those views are irrefutably True, need to be explained in 'another way', that is, with the actual right words, which make sense to every one.

See, only when the 'Right words' are being presented can every one then be in agreement and can accept what is being said, and meant. Until then examples like above, here, will be sprouted as, 'this is what is true, only'.
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Re: Good and Evil

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Fairy wrote: Wed Sep 17, 2025 7:47 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Sep 17, 2025 7:08 am
Fairy wrote: Fri Sep 12, 2025 7:20 am The contradiction or paradox is part of the illusion of duality. The many of ONe

No one has ever seen their original face, or even their brain. One only knows itself as and through its own reflection.
The seen exterior is a reflection of the unseen interior.
Everything is literally living both outside and inside of Gods mind/brain simultaneously. Everything is an image of God’s imageless essence, or spirit so to speak.
Parts limit reality to the paradox of one and many. No...if all is one then illusion is one with truth and this oneness is but a distinction as said reality corresponding to a contrastual state of multiplicity for such oneness to be what it is as oneness.

Paradox is not part of reality...it is reality for all truths begin and end by paradox.

So now what?

Paradox is but a means of initiating process and by degree such foundations and ends within knowing relegate attention to be a process where truth and falsity, reality and illusion to be but processes.

What is fixed? How the process occurs.

How does it occur?

Distinction.

And how does this reveal good and evil?

As cause and effect.
Nicely explained 👍

I’m seeing it from this right angled perspective too, thanks for showing us readers that right angled approach. Amazing!

It’s funny because I am able to grasp what you are saying so easily here, you are helping me enormously to understand my own thoughts about these subjects as you continue to parse without negative overbearing criticism, rather, it’s constructive and not intended to dismiss others views as irrelevant. It’s how professional people operate in philosophical discussions. Thanks as always for your valuable and honest feedback.
People need to remember that if they want peace and balance in the world, a world that is currently deeply troubled and polarized for a variety of reasons, that how they interact with reality by degree of their mode of being, fundamentally what and how they pay attention, has a profound ripple effect upon existence itself.

This knowledge was forgotten, but it can be restored.

We are all co-creators through the Source and as such we have the responsibility, for better or for worse, of how existence unfolds. The choice is on us, free will is not the means to an end, nor the end, but the truest expression of existence itself. It begins with the simple and natural act of attention.

Freedom begins with awareness.

Awareness is natural by nature of attention and even in such a manner can still be cultivated for attention is a process of how we occur.

People do not pay attention anymore and they wonder why confusion and unnecessary strife abounds. Such things multiply for identity is but the act of attention.

When attention is fragmented there is a confusion of identity, where there is a confused identity strife occurs as an absence of worth of oneself and others by degree of a fragmentation of internal experiential reality, where there is guilt endowed by this strife there is often a projection upon others, as to their faults, to avoid looking at our own by degree of awareness and putting effort in transforming the darkness into light by means of bringing it to light, bringing it to awareness.

When the darkness is seen for what it is, as darkness, the distinction of it is the light by which knowing occurs.

People need to remember that their attention has consequences, that we are responsible for how the world unfolds. They need to know there is a choice and this choice begins with what we are willing to see with eyes wide open...even if it means staring into the dark abyss with unflinching dignity.
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Re: Good and Evil

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Thu Sep 18, 2025 5:48 am
Fairy wrote: Wed Sep 17, 2025 7:47 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Sep 17, 2025 7:08 am

Parts limit reality to the paradox of one and many. No...if all is one then illusion is one with truth and this oneness is but a distinction as said reality corresponding to a contrastual state of multiplicity for such oneness to be what it is as oneness.

Paradox is not part of reality...it is reality for all truths begin and end by paradox.

So now what?

Paradox is but a means of initiating process and by degree such foundations and ends within knowing relegate attention to be a process where truth and falsity, reality and illusion to be but processes.

What is fixed? How the process occurs.

How does it occur?

Distinction.

And how does this reveal good and evil?

As cause and effect.
Nicely explained 👍

I’m seeing it from this right angled perspective too, thanks for showing us readers that right angled approach. Amazing!

It’s funny because I am able to grasp what you are saying so easily here, you are helping me enormously to understand my own thoughts about these subjects as you continue to parse without negative overbearing criticism, rather, it’s constructive and not intended to dismiss others views as irrelevant. It’s how professional people operate in philosophical discussions. Thanks as always for your valuable and honest feedback.
People need to remember that if they want peace and balance in the world, a world that is currently deeply troubled and polarized for a variety of reasons, that how they interact with reality by degree of their mode of being, fundamentally what and how they pay attention, has a profound ripple effect upon existence itself.

This knowledge was forgotten, but it can be restored.

We are all co-creators through the Source and as such we have the responsibility, for better or for worse, of how existence unfolds. The choice is on us, free will is not the means to an end, nor the end, but the truest expression of existence itself. It begins with the simple and natural act of attention.

Freedom begins with awareness.

Awareness is natural by nature of attention and even in such a manner can still be cultivated for attention is a process of how we occur.

People do not pay attention anymore and they wonder why confusion and unnecessary strife abounds. Such things multiply for identity is but the act of attention.

When attention is fragmented there is a confusion of identity, where there is a confused identity strife occurs as an absence of worth of oneself and others by degree of a fragmentation of internal experiential reality, where there is guilt endowed by this strife there is often a projection upon others, as to their faults, to avoid looking at our own by degree of awareness and putting effort in transforming the darkness into light by means of bringing it to light, bringing it to awareness.

When the darkness is seen for what it is, as darkness, the distinction of it is the light by which knowing occurs.

People need to remember that their attention has consequences, that we are responsible for how the world unfolds. They need to know there is a choice and this choice begins with what we are willing to see with eyes wide open...even if it means staring into the dark abyss with unflinching dignity.
Nice.
I 💯 agree with you.

Yes, importantly, we are still wholly responsible as self aware beings, as the purveyors of knowledge, with the capacity to be able to distinguish and differentiate between right and wrong including the awareness of these concepts, and to recognise we are the awareness that is behind all concepts that only exist within the illusory dream of separation.

Essentially we create our own heaven and hell by how we choose to perceive things and where we choose to place our attention on the most. Like the external world can only mirror our every belief or intention, so change can only come from within ourselves, not the external world. For example: when standing in front of a mirror, we can witness the mirror imitating every move made, the mirror reflects back an exact mirror image of our actions. We reap what we sow.
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Re: Good and Evil

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AI

“Good begets good” means that acting with goodness, kindness, or generosity tends to create more goodness in return, either through reciprocity, a positive ripple effect, or a self-fulfilling process. The principle suggests that positive actions can lead to positive outcomes, while negative actions can lead to more negativity, though the immediate return of goodness isn't always guaranteed.

Here's a breakdown of the meaning:

"Begets": means to generate, produce, or give rise to something.
"Good": refers to positive actions, attitudes, or qualities like kindness, generosity, and right ways of acting.
Therefore, the phrase suggests a causal link where positive behavior leads to further positive results.

Examples and Applications:

Reciprocity:
Kindness can beget more kindness because people tend to reciprocate the way they are treated.
Self-fulfilling Prophecy:
Practicing positive habits, such as saving money or speaking kindly, makes those behaviors easier to continue, thus generating more of the same.

Ripple Effect:
Good deeds can create a chain reaction, spreading positivity to others and potentially making its way back to the original giver in unforeseen ways.

Personal Outlook:
A positive attitude or approach to life can lead to a smoother flow of things, improving one's outlook and experiences.

Important Nuances:
Not Always Immediate:
The return of good isn't always a quick or direct consequence; it can be a longer-term effect.
Contrast with Negativity:
The concept applies to negativity as well; for example, violence can beget more violence.
Choice: It highlights that people often have a choice to cultivate positive habits that "beget" more good in their lives.
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