Who?What Is God?

[Martin Peter Clarke]

Existence cannot transcend time. That's meaningless. There is nothing more than, greater than, other than, existence.

[And less than. There is no spacetime without existence, no existence without spacetime. There is no spacetime without matter, stuff, fields.]

[Eodnhoj7]

Existence is indeed, of course, eternal. It has the time dimension. God does not. He is not contained by mere dimensions.

What concept of deity are you referring to? God is not eternal?

Yes, eternity and eternal do concern time. The terms concern time in the sense of unlimited duration.

And existence obviously concerns time, as time is an aspect of existence.

However existence also transcends time, at least as we know it, and that is largely what the terms “eternal” and “eternity” seek to convey.

Motion, change, events allow measurement; they provide boundaries or points for demarcation. Day changes to night and that change can be measured, the duration can be quantified. An infant grows into an adolescent, the same premise applies.

Things change into other things however existence persists. There is no point in which existence begins to begin measurement. There is no point in which existence ends to end measurement. Existence is constant, existence is all. It doesn’t fluctuate or change to be measured. Existence simply is.

Unfortunately it’s difficult to convey the idea of transcending time without invoking the concept of time. That’s largely the issue here.

So yes, existence concerns time but existence also transcends time. This makes your assertion, that existence has time dimensions while also exceeding them, sensible.

Existence begins with distinction, without distinction existence ceases for existence as a process is a distinction.

Time is the relationship of one distinction, unfolding, relative to a fixed point of measurement, another distinction, that allows a comparison of the distinctions as to how much change occurs of the measured distinction. The revolution of a particle around a fixed point is a measurement of time for the revolution of a particle around a fixed point is time. It is a standard by which the change of other distinctions is measured.

Time is relative and is inherent in all processes and yet time is not constant, it changes according to measured relations.

If existence is a process than there always is time, however the perception of such time changes.

[Eodnhoj7]

Existence cannot transcend time. That's meaningless. There is nothing more than, greater than, other than, existence.

Nothingess is beyond existence, nothingness being the potential of existence to be by which nothingness is superimposed possibilities of existence that are unactualized for there is no distinction in nothingness for distinction is actualization.

[Belinda]

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God is your best values.

Although the ontology is inclusive of such a wide range of beliefs and views it is not afflicted by ambiguity. It is reflective of the reality of the environment in which we live. Many beliefs and metaphysical positions exist in the world. In this way I contend the ontology leans more toward reality than ambiguity. Ultimately each individual chooses what they believe.
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But most people are indoctrinated. Indoctrination is hardly free choice.

[Martin Peter Clarke]

Existence is indeed, of course, eternal. It has the time dimension. God does not. He is not contained by mere dimensions.

What concept of deity are you referring to? God is not eternal?

Yes, eternity and eternal do concern time. The terms concern time in the sense of unlimited duration.

And existence obviously concerns time, as time is an aspect of existence.

However existence also transcends time, at least as we know it, and that is largely what the terms “eternal” and “eternity” seek to convey.

Motion, change, events allow measurement; they provide boundaries or points for demarcation. Day changes to night and that change can be measured, the duration can be quantified. An infant grows into an adolescent, the same premise applies.

Things change into other things however existence persists. There is no point in which existence begins to begin measurement. There is no point in which existence ends to end measurement. Existence is constant, existence is all. It doesn’t fluctuate or change to be measured. Existence simply is.

Unfortunately it’s difficult to convey the idea of transcending time without invoking the concept of time. That’s largely the issue here.

So yes, existence concerns time but existence also transcends time. This makes your assertion, that existence has time dimensions while also exceeding them, sensible.

That's a meaningless condition. Existence has a single time dimension for a start and it cannot exceed it.

[Martin Peter Clarke]

Existence is indeed, of course, eternal. It has the time dimension. God does not. He is not contained by mere dimensions.

What concept of deity are you referring to? God is not eternal?

Yes, eternity and eternal do concern time. The terms concern time in the sense of unlimited duration.

And existence obviously concerns time, as time is an aspect of existence.

However existence also transcends time, at least as we know it, and that is largely what the terms “eternal” and “eternity” seek to convey.

Motion, change, events allow measurement; they provide boundaries or points for demarcation. Day changes to night and that change can be measured, the duration can be quantified. An infant grows into an adolescent, the same premise applies.

Things change into other things however existence persists. There is no point in which existence begins to begin measurement. There is no point in which existence ends to end measurement. Existence is constant, existence is all. It doesn’t fluctuate or change to be measured. Existence simply is.

Unfortunately it’s difficult to convey the idea of transcending time without invoking the concept of time. That’s largely the issue here.

So yes, existence concerns time but existence also transcends time. This makes your assertion, that existence has time dimensions while also exceeding them, sensible.

Again. the concept of deity I'm referring to is the concept of deity. Which . has . no . dimensions. They transcend space (for infinity) and time (from eternity); spacetime, they contain it, instantiate it, will it, sustain it. Not the other way around. According to the nonetheless prevenient laws of physics. Including the measured constants, in the keys of c, e, G, h, e t c.

[Martin Peter Clarke]

“From one thing, know ten thousand things.”
~ Miyamoto Musashi

Idiom alert Understand as "From one thing know all things" Perhaps the most well known line of the Tao Te Ching is "The ten-thousand things are straw dogs" (all things in creation are disposable once purpose done)

The only way anything exists is if everything exists.
When one thing is known everything is known. Knowing is infinite.

You are this knowing. You are infinite. You are God.

Bollocks.

[daniel j lavender]

Existence is indeed, of course, eternal. It has the time dimension. God does not. He is not contained by mere dimensions.

What concept of deity are you referring to? God is not eternal?

Yes, eternity and eternal do concern time. The terms concern time in the sense of unlimited duration.

And existence obviously concerns time, as time is an aspect of existence.

However existence also transcends time, at least as we know it, and that is largely what the terms “eternal” and “eternity” seek to convey.

Motion, change, events allow measurement; they provide boundaries or points for demarcation. Day changes to night and that change can be measured, the duration can be quantified. An infant grows into an adolescent, the same premise applies.

Things change into other things however existence persists. There is no point in which existence begins to begin measurement. There is no point in which existence ends to end measurement. Existence is constant, existence is all. It doesn’t fluctuate or change to be measured. Existence simply is.

Unfortunately it’s difficult to convey the idea of transcending time without invoking the concept of time. That’s largely the issue here.

So yes, existence concerns time but existence also transcends time. This makes your assertion, that existence has time dimensions while also exceeding them, sensible.

Again. the concept of deity I'm referring to is the concept of deity. Which . has . no . dimensions. They transcend space (for infinity) and time (from eternity); spacetime, they contain it, instantiate it, will it, sustain it. Not the other way around. According to the nonetheless prevenient laws of physics. Including the measured constants, in the keys of c, e, G, h, e t c.

Fair enough.

That would qualify as existence, that which is perceived or interacted with, at least in part, as articulated here: viewtopic.php?t=40269

The ontology I’m presenting expresses “infinite” not merely as spatial extent but as extent in general. Existence is “infinite in extent” not merely “infinite in space”.

Additionally “eternity” is expressed as “not limited by duration” which essentially parallels your premise of transcending time.

Existence, being infinite, or unlimited in extent, includes space, it includes time, it includes dimensions and all else beyond. Again, that which is perceived or interacted with qualifies as existence.

Existence is infinite. Existence is unlimited. Existence is not limited to any particular. That specific conception of deity is also accommodated.

[Martin Peter Clarke]

What concept of deity are you referring to? God is not eternal?

Yes, eternity and eternal do concern time. The terms concern time in the sense of unlimited duration.

And existence obviously concerns time, as time is an aspect of existence.

However existence also transcends time, at least as we know it, and that is largely what the terms “eternal” and “eternity” seek to convey.

Motion, change, events allow measurement; they provide boundaries or points for demarcation. Day changes to night and that change can be measured, the duration can be quantified. An infant grows into an adolescent, the same premise applies.

Things change into other things however existence persists. There is no point in which existence begins to begin measurement. There is no point in which existence ends to end measurement. Existence is constant, existence is all. It doesn’t fluctuate or change to be measured. Existence simply is.

Unfortunately it’s difficult to convey the idea of transcending time without invoking the concept of time. That’s largely the issue here.

So yes, existence concerns time but existence also transcends time. This makes your assertion, that existence has time dimensions while also exceeding them, sensible.

Again. the concept of deity I'm referring to is the concept of deity. Which . has . no . dimensions. They transcend space (for infinity) and time (from eternity); spacetime, they contain it, instantiate it, will it, sustain it. Not the other way around. According to the nonetheless prevenient laws of physics. Including the measured constants, in the keys of c, e, G, h, e t c.

Fair enough.

That would qualify as existence, that which is perceived or interacted with, at least in part, as articulated here: viewtopic.php?t=40269

The ontology I’m presenting expresses “infinite” not merely as spatial extent but as extent in general. Existence is “infinite in extent” not merely “infinite in space”.

Additionally “eternity” is expressed as “not limited by duration” which essentially parallels your premise of transcending time.

Existence, being infinite, or unlimited in extent, includes space, it includes time, it includes dimensions and all else beyond. Again, that which is perceived or interacted with qualifies as existence.

Existence is infinite. Existence is unlimited. Existence is not limited to any particular. That specific conception of deity is also accommodated.

God cannot be perceived or interacted with. Even if He were the deist ground of being. Which He is not. I.e. which is not true. Not coherent, warranted or justified. That is entirely separate from mere stories, claims of Him being perceived or interacted with. None of which is true either, in an infinitely lower theist category.

But, if one believes He can be, according to stories and not ontology, fine. Even then He can only be perceived through His miraculous actions. None of which theophanies demonstrate that He is constrained, defined by, time. Except in how He creates and interacts with creation. Which He doesn't. Isn't.

[Belinda]

What concept of deity are you referring to? God is not eternal?

Yes, eternity and eternal do concern time. The terms concern time in the sense of unlimited duration.

And existence obviously concerns time, as time is an aspect of existence.

However existence also transcends time, at least as we know it, and that is largely what the terms “eternal” and “eternity” seek to convey.


God is said to be everlasting as well as eternal.

Motion, change, events allow measurement; they provide boundaries or points for demarcation. Day changes to night and that change can be measured, the duration can be quantified. An infant grows into an adolescent, the same premise applies.

Things change into other things however existence persists. There is no point in which existence begins to begin measurement. There is no point in which existence ends to end measurement. Existence is constant, existence is all. It doesn’t fluctuate or change to be measured. Existence simply is.

Unfortunately it’s difficult to convey the idea of transcending time without invoking the concept of time. That’s largely the issue here.

So yes, existence concerns time but existence also transcends time. This makes your assertion, that existence has time dimensions while also exceeding them, sensible.

Again. the concept of deity I'm referring to is the concept of deity. Which . has . no . dimensions. They transcend space (for infinity) and time (from eternity); spacetime, they contain it, instantiate it, will it, sustain it. Not the other way around. According to the nonetheless prevenient laws of physics. Including the measured constants, in the keys of c, e, G, h, e t c.

Fair enough.

That would qualify as existence, that which is perceived or interacted with, at least in part, as articulated here: viewtopic.php?t=40269

The ontology I’m presenting expresses “infinite” not merely as spatial extent but as extent in general. Existence is “infinite in extent” not merely “infinite in space”.

Additionally “eternity” is expressed as “not limited by duration” which essentially parallels your premise of transcending time.

Existence, being infinite, or unlimited in extent, includes space, it includes time, it includes dimensions and all else beyond. Again, that which is perceived or interacted with qualifies as existence.

Existence is infinite. Existence is unlimited. Existence is not limited to any particular. That specific conception of deity is also accommodated.

Time is rate of change.
That which does not change is said to be eternal.

God is said to be everlasting as well as eternal.
'Everlasting ' is comparative duration : 'eternal' transcends duration.

God is normally conceived as eternal i.e. transcending duration.

Therefore the claim that God is eternal is more reasonable than the claim that God is everlasting.

Existence of any identifiable event or entity is not infinite. God is not an event or entity among other events or entities. However it sounds a little odd to call God "infinite", I suppose this is because 'finite' and 'infinite' are mathematical terms.

[Fairy]

Idiom alert Understand as "From one thing know all things" Perhaps the most well known line of the Tao Te Ching is "The ten-thousand things are straw dogs" (all things in creation are disposable once purpose done)

The only way anything exists is if everything exists.
When one thing is known everything is known. Knowing is infinite.

You are this knowing. You are infinite. You are God.

Bollocks.

Language can only act as a pointer - words are not precisely what they label.

Light could mean light weight, light from the sun, light sleeper etc

Without proper context the word is meaningless.

Language is tricky, and can only give general direction with deep topics.

What you know leaves what you don't know and what you don't know is all there is.

Speak only for yourself, think for yourself. You’re own experience is the only truth.

[Martin Peter Clarke]

God needs no extents.

[Martin Peter Clarke]

The only way anything exists is if everything exists.
When one thing is known everything is known. Knowing is infinite.

You are this knowing. You are infinite. You are God.

Bollocks.

Language can only act as a pointer - words are not precisely what they label.

Light could mean light weight, light from the sun, light sleeper etc

Without proper context the word is meaningless.

Language is tricky, and can only give general direction with deep topics.

What you know leaves what you don't know and what you don't know is all there is.

Speak only for yourself, think for yourself. You’re own experience is the only truth.

Bollocks.

[Fairy]

Bollocks.

Language can only act as a pointer - words are not precisely what they label.

Light could mean light weight, light from the sun, light sleeper etc

Without proper context the word is meaningless.

Language is tricky, and can only give general direction with deep topics.

What you know leaves what you don't know and what you don't know is all there is.

Speak only for yourself, think for yourself. You’re own experience is the only truth.

Bollocks.

Same.

[Fairy]

God needs no extents.

Same. All just the one love action dreaming difference where there’s none.