How does nothing turn into something

[Age]

It’s a pre-emptive embrace of the projected shallowness oft’ displayed by sneering atheists who use the term.

With so many people around, every moment is a beginning for someone.

What are you even on about, here?

Why do 'you' say that 'It' is in the sky?

And, the Universe did not begin, for the very simple fact that it is both theoretically and empirically an absolute impossibility. The fact that the proof exists for an eternal Universe means, irrefutably, that the Universe could not and did not begin. End of story.

Now, for those who would like to have a discussion, then let 'this' begin.

Age, your question was answered.
The question, and the answer, began the discussion.
The discussion has already begun.

You just dropped the ball, again.
And who's fault is that, that you can't have a discussion?

you have obviously, once again, just missed and misunderstood what actually occured.

[Age]

And, the Universe did not begin, for the very simple fact that it is both theoretically and empirically an absolute impossibility. The fact that the proof exists for an eternal Universe means, irrefutably, that the Universe could not and did not begin. End of story.

Prove it.

Whatever exists is the Universe, Itself. Obviously whatever it was that went so-call 'bang' happened within the Universe, Itself. And, forever more in both the perceived so-called 'past' and 'future' more 'bangs', of varying sizes, occured/ed.

The Universe, in whatever shape and/or form It is, is always in 'creation'. Any talk of the Universe beginning by God or by a 'bang' of any size is only made by those who do not question what they have been told and/or taught to think and believe is true.

Imagine listening and believing one who tells you that the whole Universe began with a 'bang' or by God but can not explain anything else regarding them. Very clearly these people do not yet fully know what they are talking about.

There is not a single shred of proof for the claim the Universe began, but with curiosity, open clarifying questions, and challenging from you people I can very easily and very simply proof that the Universe is eternal, and infinite.

Finding actual people who are Truly curios and open, and who are actually able to challenge is a much harder task though.

[Martin Peter Clarke]

I understand that, negation of negation leads to a positive.

But I dont understand what happens after, wouldn't you just have positive=positive infinitely? How do you get the next thing? How would you get something and nothing seperate, yin and yang?

-1 x -1 = 1

Stand at 0 facing negative on the number line, i.e. a forward step would take you to -1. Take a (negative) step backwards. Where are you on the number line?

What happens after that? That depends on which way you face and whether you walk forwards or backwards.

Two positives don't make a negative, except in Scotland.

And how does -1 x -1 = 1 relate to nothing turning in to something? nothing x anything = nothing, nothing x ? = something

[huphuphup123]

I understand that, negation of negation leads to a positive.

But I dont understand what happens after, wouldn't you just have positive=positive infinitely? How do you get the next thing? How would you get something and nothing seperate, yin and yang?

-1 x -1 = 1

Stand at 0 facing negative on the number line, i.e. a forward step would take you to -1. Take a (negative) step backwards. Where are you on the number line?

What happens after that? That depends on which way you face and whether you walk forwards or backwards.

Two positives don't make a negative, except in Scotland.

And how does -1 x -1 = 1 relate to nothing turning in to something? nothing x anything = nothing, nothing x ? = something

if I am on -1 and take another negative step it should go back to 0 as a negative add negative is a positive

if I am on -1 and take a positive step it should ge back to 0 or stay on -1

how do I get to -2 without staying on -1? because negative add negative leads back to positive

[Martin Peter Clarke]

I understand that, negation of negation leads to a positive.

But I dont understand what happens after, wouldn't you just have positive=positive infinitely? How do you get the next thing? How would you get something and nothing seperate, yin and yang?

-1 x -1 = 1

Stand at 0 facing negative on the number line, i.e. a forward step would take you to -1. Take a (negative) step backwards. Where are you on the number line?

What happens after that? That depends on which way you face and whether you walk forwards or backwards.

Two positives don't make a negative, except in Scotland.

And how does -1 x -1 = 1 relate to nothing turning in to something? nothing x anything = nothing, nothing x ? = something

if I am on -1 and take another negative step it should go back to 0 as a negative add negative is a positive

if I am on -1 and take a positive step it should ge back to 0 or stay on -1

how do I get to -2 without staying on -1? because negative add negative leads back to positive

What way are you facing?

[huphuphup123]

-1 x -1 = 1

Stand at 0 facing negative on the number line, i.e. a forward step would take you to -1. Take a (negative) step backwards. Where are you on the number line?

What happens after that? That depends on which way you face and whether you walk forwards or backwards.

Two positives don't make a negative, except in Scotland.

And how does -1 x -1 = 1 relate to nothing turning in to something? nothing x anything = nothing, nothing x ? = something

if I am on -1 and take another negative step it should go back to 0 as a negative add negative is a positive

if I am on -1 and take a positive step it should ge back to 0 or stay on -1

how do I get to -2 without staying on -1? because negative add negative leads back to positive

What way are you facing?

to the negative side

[Martin Peter Clarke]

if I am on -1 and take another negative step it should go back to 0 as a negative add negative is a positive

if I am on -1 and take a positive step it should ge back to 0 or stay on -1

how do I get to -2 without staying on -1? because negative add negative leads back to positive

What way are you facing?

to the negative side

Do all of that on a line chalked on the sidewalk.

-2 . -1 . 0 . +1 . +2

It's all about terms.

A hole added to a hole is a deeper hole.

If you climb down a pool ladder one step from water level and then you add another step down, how many steps down are you?

If you climb down a pool ladder one step from water level and then you take away a step down, how many steps down are you?

-1 + -1 means you're on -1 and you're looking + toward the larger positive DIRECTION generally and you take a STEP backwards -1. Where are you?

-1 - -1 means you're on -1 and you're looking - toward the larger negative DIRECTION generally and you take a STEP backwards -1. Where are you?

- -1 means you're nowhere, or implicitly zero, facing downstream - DIRECTION, the negatives, and you take a STEP back -1. Where are you?

'because FACING negative DIRECTION - at 0, add negative STEP backwards -1 leads back to positive DIRECTION' at ?

And how can you step from -1 in any direction and still be on -1?

We need to get this worked out, and eliminated, before we can start talking about nothing and something.

[Eodnhoj7]

I understand that, negation of negation leads to a positive.

But I dont understand what happens after, wouldn't you just have positive=positive infinitely? How do you get the next thing? How would you get something and nothing seperate, yin and yang?

Nothing is the means by which the actual occurs for what is actual cannot be unless it has the potential to do so. For something to move it must have the space to do so. Nothingness is potentiality. The potentiality of potentiality is actuality.

Think of a 0d point.

It is nothing.

When it becomes distinct relative to another 0d point a line emerges as the space between them. A single point is indistinct as there is no comparison for it to be distinct, a 0d point becomes distinct relative to another 0d point.

The 0d point is a potential line. When the 0d point, potentiality, becomes recursive a line occurs. The repetition of potentiality is actuality by degree of the process of repetition. Actuality is a process and process allows the emergence of limits through change. Without change there are no limits for there is no contrast.

Things occur from nothing by the voiding of nothing for complete potentiality must have the potentiality of actuality if it is to be complete potentiality.

The voiding of nothing, the voiding of potentiality, is actuality by which is the distinction that we can conceive nothing as an absence for absence is a distinction and as a distinction is actual.

In simple terms nothing is complete absence and a complete absence must reflect an absence of absence for a complete absence is absent of absence.


Double positives are interesting too for a "positive of a positive" necessitates a gradation of positives by which one positive lacks what is present in another thus leading a form of an absence in one relative to another, a form of negation.

Double negatives result in a positive. Double positives result in a negative.

It is a recursive sequence that results in variations by each sequence.

Void is the means by which change occurs and change allows distinctions through contrast to other distinctions. Being arises through change and void is the means by which change occurs by allowing for the potentiality of said change.

[Age]

I understand that, negation of negation leads to a positive.

But I dont understand what happens after, wouldn't you just have positive=positive infinitely? How do you get the next thing? How would you get something and nothing seperate, yin and yang?

Nothing is the means by which the actual occurs for what is actual cannot be unless it has the potential to do so. For something to move it must have the space to do so. Nothingness is potentiality. The potentiality of potentiality is actuality.

Think of a 0d point.

It is nothing.

Will you please explain how some thing, to you, can also be no thing?

If you will not, then why not?

Are you not able to explain what you believe?

[Belinda]

I understand that, negation of negation leads to a positive.

But I dont understand what happens after, wouldn't you just have positive=positive infinitely? How do you get the next thing? How would you get something and nothing seperate, yin and yang?

You confuse English usage and theory of existence. There are English dialects where two negatives don't cancel each other out.

Within Taoist philosophy Yin and Yang are two aspects of a unity. Unless there are at least two aspects to any progression it would not be a progression but would be dead that's to say it would be nothing but its past, a dead thing with no future.

It is obvious the world changes through time; therefore it is a process of change----------a relative world. The Yin and Yang are feminine and masculine respectively, which is a peculiarity of Daoism.

[Eodnhoj7]

I understand that, negation of negation leads to a positive.

But I dont understand what happens after, wouldn't you just have positive=positive infinitely? How do you get the next thing? How would you get something and nothing seperate, yin and yang?

You confuse English usage and theory of existence. There are English dialects where two negatives don't cancel each other out.

Within Taoist philosophy Yin and Yang are two aspects of a unity. Unless there are at least two aspects to any progression it would not be a progression but would be dead that's to say it would be nothing but its past, a dead thing with no future.

It is obvious the world changes through time; therefore it is a process of change----------a relative world. The Yin and Yang are feminine and masculine respectively, which is a peculiarity of Daoism.

In intuitionist logic there is the negation of negation.

Double negation is twofold:

1. The negation is negated.
2. The negation continues in progressive grades (ie a more complete negation than the previous).

[huphuphup123]

I understand that, negation of negation leads to a positive.

But I dont understand what happens after, wouldn't you just have positive=positive infinitely? How do you get the next thing? How would you get something and nothing seperate, yin and yang?

Nothing is the means by which the actual occurs for what is actual cannot be unless it has the potential to do so. For something to move it must have the space to do so. Nothingness is potentiality. The potentiality of potentiality is actuality.

Think of a 0d point.

It is nothing.

When it becomes distinct relative to another 0d point a line emerges as the space between them. A single point is indistinct as there is no comparison for it to be distinct, a 0d point becomes distinct relative to another 0d point.

The 0d point is a potential line. When the 0d point, potentiality, becomes recursive a line occurs. The repetition of potentiality is actuality by degree of the process of repetition. Actuality is a process and process allows the emergence of limits through change. Without change there are no limits for there is no contrast.

Things occur from nothing by the voiding of nothing for complete potentiality must have the potentiality of actuality if it is to be complete potentiality.

The voiding of nothing, the voiding of potentiality, is actuality by which is the distinction that we can conceive nothing as an absence for absence is a distinction and as a distinction is actual.

In simple terms nothing is complete absence and a complete absence must reflect an absence of absence for a complete absence is absent of absence.


Double positives are interesting too for a "positive of a positive" necessitates a gradation of positives by which one positive lacks what is present in another thus leading a form of an absence in one relative to another, a form of negation.

Double negatives result in a positive. Double positives result in a negative.

It is a recursive sequence that results in variations by each sequence.

Void is the means by which change occurs and change allows distinctions through contrast to other distinctions. Being arises through change and void is the means by which change occurs by allowing for the potentiality of said change.

So first you are saying absence of absence = something

Ok.

But then what I don't understand is, so if there's only something, then it would be something=something as it is the only thing that is there

but you are saying something=something is the same as saying something=not-something because the second is smaller than the first.

But the problem is, won't something=not-something just negate back into not-something again and than not-something = not-something turns back into something and it just loops, how does it progress?

[huphuphup123]

I understand that, negation of negation leads to a positive.

But I dont understand what happens after, wouldn't you just have positive=positive infinitely? How do you get the next thing? How would you get something and nothing seperate, yin and yang?

You confuse English usage and theory of existence. There are English dialects where two negatives don't cancel each other out.

Within Taoist philosophy Yin and Yang are two aspects of a unity. Unless there are at least two aspects to any progression it would not be a progression but would be dead that's to say it would be nothing but its past, a dead thing with no future.

It is obvious the world changes through time; therefore it is a process of change----------a relative world. The Yin and Yang are feminine and masculine respectively, which is a peculiarity of Daoism.

but then those words wouldn't actually be two negatives in the first place if they don't cancel out each other.

Now, I read this

"The cosmos as we know it is seen as the last stage in a series of transformations from Non-Being (wu) to Unity (yi), duality (Yin and Yang), and finally multiplicity (wanwu, the "ten thousand things"). The alchemist intends to trace this process backwards—from the "ten thousand things" to the Dao."


so non being is non being would turn itself into unity ?

then after how do you get yin yang?

[Age]

I understand that, negation of negation leads to a positive.

But I dont understand what happens after, wouldn't you just have positive=positive infinitely? How do you get the next thing? How would you get something and nothing seperate, yin and yang?

You confuse English usage and theory of existence. There are English dialects where two negatives don't cancel each other out.

Within Taoist philosophy Yin and Yang are two aspects of a unity. Unless there are at least two aspects to any progression it would not be a progression but would be dead that's to say it would be nothing but its past, a dead thing with no future.

It is obvious the world changes through time; therefore it is a process of change----------a relative world. The Yin and Yang are feminine and masculine respectively, which is a peculiarity of Daoism.

but then those words wouldn't actually be two negatives in the first place if they don't cancel out each other.

Now, I read this

"The cosmos as we know it is seen as the last stage in a series of transformations from Non-Being (wu) to Unity (yi), duality (Yin and Yang), and finally multiplicity (wanwu, the "ten thousand things"). The alchemist intends to trace this process backwards—from the "ten thousand things" to the Dao."


so non being is non being would turn itself into unity ?

then after how do you get yin yang?

But, the Universe, or Cosmos, was never at 'non being', nor nothing.

Why would any one even presume such a thing, in the first place?

The Universe is One solitary thing, 'Unity', always existing. However, at Its most fundamental level the One, Unity, is made up of two things, duality.

[Eodnhoj7]

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