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Atla
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Re: New Discovery

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Age wrote: Sun Aug 31, 2025 12:34 am
Atla wrote: Sat Aug 30, 2025 2:03 pm
Age wrote: Sat Aug 30, 2025 1:41 pm

Please find out the actual difference between 'just pointing out a fact' from 'whining'.
I did God, that's why I'm asking you to please stop whining already.
Lol, just claiming you did some thing, without ever showing or proving you did, once again, does not mean that you actually did.

Also, why do you keep saying things as though they are true, when you believe, absolutely, they are not true?

Do 'you' have some sort of psychological disorder?

you claim to be able to recognise and see them in 'others', but is there a possibility that you could have one or two "yourself"?
More whining God, and your usual lies. That's why no one listens to you, God.
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Re: New Discovery

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peacegirl wrote: Sat Aug 30, 2025 8:55 pm This only relates to first blows. The reason knowing in advance that you will not be blamed which prevents you from striking this first blow is that in order to strike a first blow (to gain at their expense of someone else) needs a justification. That is how conscience works. In a free will society, our conscience does not reach the temperature required to prevent this hurt to others. We know that if we do something to hurt someone and are questioned by the authorities, we can come up with excuses by telling them why it wasn't our fault or by shifting our responsibility to someone or something else as the cause for what we know we did. Knowing in advance that we will be blamed gives us the necessary justification to carry through with what we have been contemplating. If our excuses fall on deaf ears and we can't get off the hook, we are punished, which is payment in full for what we did, which also eases conscience. But when we are not being blamed or being held responsible (since everyone knows our will is not free), then we can't pay a price because it's beyond our purchasing power since our responsibility cannot be shifted away from ourselves. IOW, a free will society of blame and punishment gives us the advance justification to do the very thing these threats of punishment are trying to prevent. But when we know in advance that no one in the world, not even the one to be hurt, will question or blame us or hold us responsible, when we know that we would be responsible (the two-sided equation), then we cannot proceed with what we are about to do, because our conscience would never permit it, thereby preventing the act.
Again, it's beyond me why you think that people want to pay for their crimes. Most murderers today try to hide their tracks, in order to not be blamed. What would stop them is that if we had better surveillance, they would get caught and be blamed, punished. I'd say many of those murderers fall within the range of average human conscience. Their satifaction outweighs their guilt, so they must commit the crime, it's your law.

Again, why do you think that my justification to strike a first blow, depends so thoroughly on whether or not I'll be blamed? I don't think it does, at all. I still think that knowing in advance that I won't be blamed, would actually slightly increase my justification to do the crime, but either way it's not a major factor.

Maybe you really think that people with fully functioning consciences WANT to be fully punished for their crimes, they think that they deserve to be fully punished? And again, in a fairy tale world where everyone has such high conscience, so people won't initiate crimes anyway, what need is there to mess with blame in the first place?
Age
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Re: New Discovery

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Atla wrote: Sun Aug 31, 2025 5:54 am
Age wrote: Sun Aug 31, 2025 12:34 am
Atla wrote: Sat Aug 30, 2025 2:03 pm
I did God, that's why I'm asking you to please stop whining already.
Lol, just claiming you did some thing, without ever showing or proving you did, once again, does not mean that you actually did.

Also, why do you keep saying things as though they are true, when you believe, absolutely, they are not true?

Do 'you' have some sort of psychological disorder?

you claim to be able to recognise and see them in 'others', but is there a possibility that you could have one or two "yourself"?
More whining God, and your usual lies. That's why no one listens to you, God.
If 'this' is what you want to believe is absolutely true, then okay.
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Re: New Discovery

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Read the text with a little help of a digtal friend who summarized it for me as well as translated that summary to a language more readable for me.

Sounds pretty stringent, Spinoza like.

Any ideas how this is supposed to happen? Why should I not go to a pub, get pissed and run over a pedestrian on my way home driving my card way too fast?
Age
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Re: New Discovery

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Ansiktsburk wrote: Sun Aug 31, 2025 8:47 am Read the text with a little help of a digtal friend who summarized it for me as well as translated that summary to a language more readable for me.

Sounds pretty stringent, Spinoza like.

Any ideas how this is supposed to happen? Why should I not go to a pub, get pissed and run over a pedestrian on my way home driving my card way too fast?
But, 'the text' is telling you that you had no other choice other than to go the pub, which you did, got pissed, drive way too fast, and run over a pedestrian. And, you were always pre-destined to do so, anyway.
Atla
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Re: New Discovery

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Age wrote: Sun Aug 31, 2025 8:33 am
Atla wrote: Sun Aug 31, 2025 5:54 am
Age wrote: Sun Aug 31, 2025 12:34 am

Lol, just claiming you did some thing, without ever showing or proving you did, once again, does not mean that you actually did.

Also, why do you keep saying things as though they are true, when you believe, absolutely, they are not true?

Do 'you' have some sort of psychological disorder?

you claim to be able to recognise and see them in 'others', but is there a possibility that you could have one or two "yourself"?
More whining God, and your usual lies. That's why no one listens to you, God.
If 'this' is what you want to believe is absolutely true, then okay.
Stop feeling sorry for yourself, God. It's not helping.
Age
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Re: New Discovery

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Atla wrote: Sun Aug 31, 2025 9:04 am
Age wrote: Sun Aug 31, 2025 8:33 am
Atla wrote: Sun Aug 31, 2025 5:54 am
More whining God, and your usual lies. That's why no one listens to you, God.
If 'this' is what you want to believe is absolutely true, then okay.
Stop feeling sorry for yourself, God. It's not helping.
Again, if you, really, want to believe, absolutely, absolute Falsehoods, then, please, go on ahead and do so.
Atla
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Re: New Discovery

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Age wrote: Sun Aug 31, 2025 9:16 am
Atla wrote: Sun Aug 31, 2025 9:04 am
Age wrote: Sun Aug 31, 2025 8:33 am

If 'this' is what you want to believe is absolutely true, then okay.
Stop feeling sorry for yourself, God. It's not helping.
Again, if you, really, want to believe, absolutely, absolute Falsehoods, then, please, go on ahead and do so.
Now you're just feeling more sorry for yourself.
Age
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Re: New Discovery

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Atla wrote: Sun Aug 31, 2025 9:23 am
Age wrote: Sun Aug 31, 2025 9:16 am
Atla wrote: Sun Aug 31, 2025 9:04 am
Stop feeling sorry for yourself, God. It's not helping.
Again, if you, really, want to believe, absolutely, absolute Falsehoods, then, please, go on ahead and do so.
Now you're just feeling more sorry for yourself.
Lol 'This one', 'now', actually believes that it knows what 'the feelings' are within others.

Could one believing that it has the ability to know, absolutely, the feelings within another be just another psychological disorder?
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Re: New Discovery

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Age wrote: Sun Aug 31, 2025 10:03 am
Atla wrote: Sun Aug 31, 2025 9:23 am
Age wrote: Sun Aug 31, 2025 9:16 am

Again, if you, really, want to believe, absolutely, absolute Falsehoods, then, please, go on ahead and do so.
Now you're just feeling more sorry for yourself.
Lol 'This one', 'now', actually believes that it knows what 'the feelings' are within others.

Could one believing that it has the ability to know, absolutely, the feelings within another be just another psychological disorder?
Could the inability to know your own mind and feelings, and confusing yourself with God, be a sign of one? :)
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Re: New Discovery

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Atla wrote: Sun Aug 31, 2025 10:09 am
Age wrote: Sun Aug 31, 2025 10:03 am
Atla wrote: Sun Aug 31, 2025 9:23 am
Now you're just feeling more sorry for yourself.
Lol 'This one', 'now', actually believes that it knows what 'the feelings' are within others.

Could one believing that it has the ability to know, absolutely, the feelings within another be just another psychological disorder?
Could the inability to know your own mind and feelings, and confusing yourself with God, be a sign of one? :)
Imagine being so sure of "yourself" you actually believe you have 'the ability' to know 'the feelings' in other bodies, and even be absolutely sure that you have 'your own mind', and that you even know other's so-called 'minds'.

Again, could 'this assuredness and absurdness' be just 'more conditions' completely unrecognised by some?
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Re: New Discovery

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Age wrote: Sun Aug 31, 2025 10:16 am
Atla wrote: Sun Aug 31, 2025 10:09 am
Age wrote: Sun Aug 31, 2025 10:03 am

Lol 'This one', 'now', actually believes that it knows what 'the feelings' are within others.

Could one believing that it has the ability to know, absolutely, the feelings within another be just another psychological disorder?
Could the inability to know your own mind and feelings, and confusing yourself with God, be a sign of one? :)
Imagine being so sure of "yourself" you actually believe you have 'the ability' to know 'the feelings' in other bodies, and even be absolutely sure that you have 'your own mind', and that you even know other's so-called 'minds'.

Again, could 'this assuredness and absurdness' be just 'more conditions' completely unrecognised by some?
Only a Sith deals in absolutes.
Age
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Re: New Discovery

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Atla wrote: Sun Aug 31, 2025 10:19 am
Age wrote: Sun Aug 31, 2025 10:16 am
Atla wrote: Sun Aug 31, 2025 10:09 am
Could the inability to know your own mind and feelings, and confusing yourself with God, be a sign of one? :)
Imagine being so sure of "yourself" you actually believe you have 'the ability' to know 'the feelings' in other bodies, and even be absolutely sure that you have 'your own mind', and that you even know other's so-called 'minds'.

Again, could 'this assuredness and absurdness' be just 'more conditions' completely unrecognised by some?
Only a Sith deals in absolutes.
Yet, here, you are believing, and claiming, absolutes. Does 'this' make 'you' a so-called, 'Sith'?

And, what even is a "sith", to 'you', exactly?
Atla
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Re: New Discovery

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Age wrote: Sun Aug 31, 2025 10:28 am
Atla wrote: Sun Aug 31, 2025 10:19 am
Age wrote: Sun Aug 31, 2025 10:16 am

Imagine being so sure of "yourself" you actually believe you have 'the ability' to know 'the feelings' in other bodies, and even be absolutely sure that you have 'your own mind', and that you even know other's so-called 'minds'.

Again, could 'this assuredness and absurdness' be just 'more conditions' completely unrecognised by some?
Only a Sith deals in absolutes.
Yet, here, you are believing, and claiming, absolutes. Does 'this' make 'you' a so-called, 'Sith'?

And, what even is a "sith", to 'you', exactly?
Then quote me claiming absolutes, quoting shouldn't be all too hard for God.
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Re: New Discovery

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Atla wrote: Sun Aug 31, 2025 10:30 am
Age wrote: Sun Aug 31, 2025 10:28 am
Atla wrote: Sun Aug 31, 2025 10:19 am
Only a Sith deals in absolutes.
Yet, here, you are believing, and claiming, absolutes. Does 'this' make 'you' a so-called, 'Sith'?

And, what even is a "sith", to 'you', exactly?
Then quote me claiming absolutes, quoting shouldn't be all too hard for God.
1. What is the word, 'Then', even in relation to, exactly?

2. I asked you two clarifying questions, and AGAIN you failed ABSOLUTELY to answer them.

3.
Atla wrote: Sun Aug 31, 2025 10:19 am
Only a Sith deals in absolutes.
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