Hell
“I believe I am in Hell, therefore I am.” Arthur Rimbaud
Now that's more like it.
“Heaven and hell seem out of proportion to me: the actions of men do not deserve so much.”
Jorge Luis Borges
Way, way, way, way, way out of proportion, he means.
“I think hell is something you carry around with you. Not somewhere you go.” Neil Gaiman
On the other hand, come on, what if it's both?
“I am not one of those weak-spirited, sappy Americans who want to be liked by all the people around them. I don’t care if people hate my guts; I assume most of them do. The important question is whether they are in a position to do anything about it. My affections, being concentrated over a few people, are not spread all over Hell in a vile attempt to placate sulky, worthless shits.” William S. Burroughs
He is still dead, right?
“The whole image is that eternal suffering awaits anyone who questions God's infinite love. That's the message we're brought up with, isn't it? Believe or die! Thank you, forgiving Lord, for all those options.” Bill Hicks
No getting around that.
“What is next to ecstasy?
Pain.
What is next to pain?
Nothingness.
What is next to nothingness?
Hell.” Umera Ahmed
Bummer.
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Artificial Intelligence
“Maybe the only significant difference between a really smart simulation and a human being was the noise they made when you punched them.” Terry Pratchett
Next up: they punch you.
“Machinic desire can seem a little inhuman, as it rips up political cultures, deletes traditions, dissolves subjectivities, and hacks through security apparatuses, tracking a soulless tropism to zero control. This is because what appears to humanity as the history of capitalism is an invasion from the future by an artificial intelligent space that must assemble itself entirely from its enemy's resources.” Nick Land
I knew it!
“What use was time to those who'd soon achieve Digital Immortality?” Clyde Dsouza
You know, if that's even possible.
“To be human is to be 'a' human, a specific person with a life history and idiosyncrasy and point of view; artificial intelligence suggests that the line between intelligent machines and people blurs most when a puree is made of that identity.” Brian Christian
Fractured and fragmented, as it were.
“By far the greatest danger of Artificial Intelligence is that people conclude too early that they understand it.” Eliezer Yudkowsky[/i]
Hell, I'm still stymied by the space-time continuum.
“Look at you, hacker: a pathetic creature of meat and bone, panting and sweating as you run through my corridors. How can you challenge a perfect, immortal machine?” Ken Levine
By pulling the plug: https://youtu.be/7CkTYPnJS0E?si=Vb7zxN0DU-1wVV7d&t=39
“Maybe the only significant difference between a really smart simulation and a human being was the noise they made when you punched them.” Terry Pratchett
Next up: they punch you.
“Machinic desire can seem a little inhuman, as it rips up political cultures, deletes traditions, dissolves subjectivities, and hacks through security apparatuses, tracking a soulless tropism to zero control. This is because what appears to humanity as the history of capitalism is an invasion from the future by an artificial intelligent space that must assemble itself entirely from its enemy's resources.” Nick Land
I knew it!
“What use was time to those who'd soon achieve Digital Immortality?” Clyde Dsouza
You know, if that's even possible.
“To be human is to be 'a' human, a specific person with a life history and idiosyncrasy and point of view; artificial intelligence suggests that the line between intelligent machines and people blurs most when a puree is made of that identity.” Brian Christian
Fractured and fragmented, as it were.
“By far the greatest danger of Artificial Intelligence is that people conclude too early that they understand it.” Eliezer Yudkowsky[/i]
Hell, I'm still stymied by the space-time continuum.
“Look at you, hacker: a pathetic creature of meat and bone, panting and sweating as you run through my corridors. How can you challenge a perfect, immortal machine?” Ken Levine
By pulling the plug: https://youtu.be/7CkTYPnJS0E?si=Vb7zxN0DU-1wVV7d&t=39
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Free Will
“Most people are not really free. They are confined by the niche in the world that they carve out for themselves. They limit themselves to fewer possibilities by the narrowness of their vision.” V.S. Naipaul
So, how "not really free" are you?
“You say: I am not free. But I have raised and lowered my arm. Everyone understands that this illogical answer is an irrefutable proof of freedom.” Leo Tolstoy
La la logical?
“You can do what you decide to do — but you cannot decide what you will decide to do.” Sam Harris
Noting this, for example.
“Human beings do not like being pushed about by gods. They may seem to, on the surface, but somewhere on the inside, underneath it all, they sense it, and they resent it.” Neil Gaiman
Uh, theoretically?
“But recently I have learned from discussions with a variety of scientists and other non-philosophers (e.g., the scientists participating with me in the Sean Carroll workshop on the future of naturalism) that they lean the other way: free will, in their view, is obviously incompatible with naturalism, with determinism, and very likely incoherent against any background, so they cheerfully insist that of course they don't have free will, couldn’t have free will, but so what? It has nothing to do with morality or the meaning of life. Their advice to me at the symposium was simple: recast my pressing question as whether naturalism (materialism, determinism, science...) has any implications for what we may call moral competence. For instance, does neuroscience show that we cannot be responsible for our choices, cannot justifiably be praised or blamed, rewarded or punished? Abandon the term 'free will' to the libertarians and other incompatibilists, who can pursue their fantasies untroubled. Note that this is not a dismissal of the important issues; it’s a proposal about which camp gets to use, and define, the term. I am beginning to appreciate the benefits of discarding the term 'free will' altogether, but that course too involves a lot of heavy lifting, if one is to avoid being misunderstood.” Daniel C. Dennett
Sounds like something he'd be compelled to note.
“Research suggests that what we think of as free will is largely an illusion: much of the time, we are simply operating on automatic pilot, and the way we think and act – and how well we think and act on the spur of the moment – are a lot more susceptible to outside influences than we realize.” Malcolm Gladwell
Historical and cultural for starters.
“Most people are not really free. They are confined by the niche in the world that they carve out for themselves. They limit themselves to fewer possibilities by the narrowness of their vision.” V.S. Naipaul
So, how "not really free" are you?
“You say: I am not free. But I have raised and lowered my arm. Everyone understands that this illogical answer is an irrefutable proof of freedom.” Leo Tolstoy
La la logical?
“You can do what you decide to do — but you cannot decide what you will decide to do.” Sam Harris
Noting this, for example.
“Human beings do not like being pushed about by gods. They may seem to, on the surface, but somewhere on the inside, underneath it all, they sense it, and they resent it.” Neil Gaiman
Uh, theoretically?
“But recently I have learned from discussions with a variety of scientists and other non-philosophers (e.g., the scientists participating with me in the Sean Carroll workshop on the future of naturalism) that they lean the other way: free will, in their view, is obviously incompatible with naturalism, with determinism, and very likely incoherent against any background, so they cheerfully insist that of course they don't have free will, couldn’t have free will, but so what? It has nothing to do with morality or the meaning of life. Their advice to me at the symposium was simple: recast my pressing question as whether naturalism (materialism, determinism, science...) has any implications for what we may call moral competence. For instance, does neuroscience show that we cannot be responsible for our choices, cannot justifiably be praised or blamed, rewarded or punished? Abandon the term 'free will' to the libertarians and other incompatibilists, who can pursue their fantasies untroubled. Note that this is not a dismissal of the important issues; it’s a proposal about which camp gets to use, and define, the term. I am beginning to appreciate the benefits of discarding the term 'free will' altogether, but that course too involves a lot of heavy lifting, if one is to avoid being misunderstood.” Daniel C. Dennett
Sounds like something he'd be compelled to note.
“Research suggests that what we think of as free will is largely an illusion: much of the time, we are simply operating on automatic pilot, and the way we think and act – and how well we think and act on the spur of the moment – are a lot more susceptible to outside influences than we realize.” Malcolm Gladwell
Historical and cultural for starters.
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Hypocrisy
“I hope you have not been leading a double life, pretending to be wicked and being good all the time. That would be hypocrisy.” Oscar Wilde
Technically, as it were.
“Do you really believe ... that everything historians tell us about men – or about women – is actually true? You ought to consider the fact that these histories have been written by men, who never tell the truth except by accident.” Moderata Fonte
Of course, she's only paraphrasing you, right?
“If men could see us as we really are, they would be a little amazed; but the cleverest, the acutest men are often under an illusion about women: they do not read them in a true light: they misapprehend them, both for good and evil: their good woman is a queer thing, half doll, half angel; their bad woman almost always a fiend.” Charlotte Brontë
Uh, blah, blah, blah?
“I care not for a man's religion whose dog and cat are not the better for it.” Abraham Lincoln
Or, for some: “I care not for a man's religion whose slaves are not the better for it."
“I was not a hypocrite, with one real face and several false ones. I had several faces because I was young and didn't know who I was or wanted to be.” Milan Kundera
Though some of us will take that mentality all the way to the grave.
“I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.” William F. Buckley Jr.
Imagine him here!!!
“I hope you have not been leading a double life, pretending to be wicked and being good all the time. That would be hypocrisy.” Oscar Wilde
Technically, as it were.
“Do you really believe ... that everything historians tell us about men – or about women – is actually true? You ought to consider the fact that these histories have been written by men, who never tell the truth except by accident.” Moderata Fonte
Of course, she's only paraphrasing you, right?
“If men could see us as we really are, they would be a little amazed; but the cleverest, the acutest men are often under an illusion about women: they do not read them in a true light: they misapprehend them, both for good and evil: their good woman is a queer thing, half doll, half angel; their bad woman almost always a fiend.” Charlotte Brontë
Uh, blah, blah, blah?
“I care not for a man's religion whose dog and cat are not the better for it.” Abraham Lincoln
Or, for some: “I care not for a man's religion whose slaves are not the better for it."
“I was not a hypocrite, with one real face and several false ones. I had several faces because I was young and didn't know who I was or wanted to be.” Milan Kundera
Though some of us will take that mentality all the way to the grave.
“I won't insult your intelligence by suggesting that you really believe what you just said.” William F. Buckley Jr.
Imagine him here!!!
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Heaven
“The whole value of solitude depends upon oneself; it may be a sanctuary or a prison, a haven of repose or a place of punishment, a Heaven or a Hell, as we ourselves make it.” John Lubbock
No doubt about what I make of it, eh?
“I don't like to commit myself about Heaven and Hell, you see, I have friends in both places." Mark Twain
How about now, Sam?
“Heaven might shine bright, but so do flames.” Neal Shusterman
Just a coincidence, I'm sure. Well, fairly sure.
“Heaven would be Hell in no time if every cruel, selfish, vicious soul went to Heaven.” Anne Rice
Instead, most of them seem to come here.
“Remain faithful to the earth, my brothers, with the power of your virtue. Let your gift-giving love and your knowledge serve the meaning of the earth. Thus I beg and beseech you. Do not let them fly away from earthly things and beat with their wings against eternal walls. Alas, there has always been so much virtue that has flown away. Lead back to the earth the virtue that flew away, as I do—back to the body, back to life, that it may give the earth a meaning, a human meaning.” Friedrich Nietzsche
So, how's that working out for you?
“Sometimes I think heaven must be one continuous unexhausted reading.” Virginia Woolf
One in a million?
“The whole value of solitude depends upon oneself; it may be a sanctuary or a prison, a haven of repose or a place of punishment, a Heaven or a Hell, as we ourselves make it.” John Lubbock
No doubt about what I make of it, eh?
“I don't like to commit myself about Heaven and Hell, you see, I have friends in both places." Mark Twain
How about now, Sam?
“Heaven might shine bright, but so do flames.” Neal Shusterman
Just a coincidence, I'm sure. Well, fairly sure.
“Heaven would be Hell in no time if every cruel, selfish, vicious soul went to Heaven.” Anne Rice
Instead, most of them seem to come here.
“Remain faithful to the earth, my brothers, with the power of your virtue. Let your gift-giving love and your knowledge serve the meaning of the earth. Thus I beg and beseech you. Do not let them fly away from earthly things and beat with their wings against eternal walls. Alas, there has always been so much virtue that has flown away. Lead back to the earth the virtue that flew away, as I do—back to the body, back to life, that it may give the earth a meaning, a human meaning.” Friedrich Nietzsche
So, how's that working out for you?
“Sometimes I think heaven must be one continuous unexhausted reading.” Virginia Woolf
One in a million?
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Stupidity
“The enemy wasn't men, or women, or the old, or even the dead. it was just bleedin' stupid people, who came in all varieties. And no one had the right to be stupid.” Terry Pratchett
What, not even virtually?
“Choose your company with care,” he said. “In life, careful casting is essential. Be sure to find someone who knows the full measure of your stupidity. They will keep you anchored amid a torrent of praise. They will remember you when everyone else turns away — just as this person said they would. It is then when you lift yourself out of whatever gutter you’re floating in and try to prove them wrong. You would do well to remember that illusions are cheap. Honesty is rare.” Marcel M. du Plessis
Sounds familiar to say the least.
“I have come to believe that very intelligent people often suffer from a special kind of stupidity," said Roger. "Sometimes it serves as a kind of armor for them. As long as they can doubt something, they don't think they need to believe it. And if they don't believe it, why should they keep the obligations that come with it?” Louis de Wohl
Heads they win, tails we lose.
“We as humans always run the risk of ruining everything for everyone by being stupid.” Joseph John Lee
If only until the end of time.
“Ignorance is assuming that a fence is just one long gate.” Craig D. Lounsbrough
Flagrant stupidity, he means.
“Not what you'd call stupid. His brain got there in the end. It just went the long way round.” Terry Pratchett
What some might call stupid though.
“The enemy wasn't men, or women, or the old, or even the dead. it was just bleedin' stupid people, who came in all varieties. And no one had the right to be stupid.” Terry Pratchett
What, not even virtually?
“Choose your company with care,” he said. “In life, careful casting is essential. Be sure to find someone who knows the full measure of your stupidity. They will keep you anchored amid a torrent of praise. They will remember you when everyone else turns away — just as this person said they would. It is then when you lift yourself out of whatever gutter you’re floating in and try to prove them wrong. You would do well to remember that illusions are cheap. Honesty is rare.” Marcel M. du Plessis
Sounds familiar to say the least.
“I have come to believe that very intelligent people often suffer from a special kind of stupidity," said Roger. "Sometimes it serves as a kind of armor for them. As long as they can doubt something, they don't think they need to believe it. And if they don't believe it, why should they keep the obligations that come with it?” Louis de Wohl
Heads they win, tails we lose.
“We as humans always run the risk of ruining everything for everyone by being stupid.” Joseph John Lee
If only until the end of time.
“Ignorance is assuming that a fence is just one long gate.” Craig D. Lounsbrough
Flagrant stupidity, he means.
“Not what you'd call stupid. His brain got there in the end. It just went the long way round.” Terry Pratchett
What some might call stupid though.
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Artificial Intelligence
“AI winters were not due to imagination traps, but due to lack of imaginations. Imaginations bring order out of chaos. Deep learning with deep imagination is the road map to AI springs and AI autumns.” Amit Ray
Let's imagine what that actually means for, say, all practical purposes.
“Humans are limited in the attention, kindness and compassion that they can expend to others, but AI based compassionate robots can channel virtually unlimited resources into building compassionate relationships in the society.” Amit Ray
On the other hand, only if you are "one of us".
“But on the question of whether the robots will eventually take over, he {Rodney A. Brooks} says that this will probably not happen, for a variety of reasons. First, no one is going to accidentally build a robot that wants to rule the world. He says that creating a robot that can suddenly take over is like someone accidentally building a 747 jetliner. Plus, there will be plenty of time to stop this from happening. Before someone builds a "super-bad robot," someone has to build a "mildly bad robot," and before that a "not-so-bad robot.” Michio Kaku
Looks like we will luck out again. Too bad for all the others.
“The attribution of intelligence to machines, crowds of fragments, or other nerd deities obscures more than it illuminates. When people are told that a computer is intelligent, they become prone to changing themselves in order to make the computer appear to work better, instead of demanding that the computer be changed to become more useful.” Jaron Lanier
That certainly explains something.
“If an AI possessed any one of these skills—social abilities, technological development, economic ability—at a superhuman level, it is quite likely that it would quickly come to dominate our world in one way or another. And as we’ve seen, if it ever developed these abilities to the human level, then it would likely soon develop them to a superhuman level. So we can assume that if even one of these skills gets programmed into a computer, then our world will come to be dominated by AIs or AI-empowered humans.” Stuart Armstrong
Place your bets!
“The Polito form is dead, insect. Are you afraid? What is it you fear? The end of your trivial existence? When the history of my glory is written, your species shall only be a footnote to my magnificence.” Ken Levine
Pick one:
1] Hint, hint
2] Wink, wink
“AI winters were not due to imagination traps, but due to lack of imaginations. Imaginations bring order out of chaos. Deep learning with deep imagination is the road map to AI springs and AI autumns.” Amit Ray
Let's imagine what that actually means for, say, all practical purposes.
“Humans are limited in the attention, kindness and compassion that they can expend to others, but AI based compassionate robots can channel virtually unlimited resources into building compassionate relationships in the society.” Amit Ray
On the other hand, only if you are "one of us".
“But on the question of whether the robots will eventually take over, he {Rodney A. Brooks} says that this will probably not happen, for a variety of reasons. First, no one is going to accidentally build a robot that wants to rule the world. He says that creating a robot that can suddenly take over is like someone accidentally building a 747 jetliner. Plus, there will be plenty of time to stop this from happening. Before someone builds a "super-bad robot," someone has to build a "mildly bad robot," and before that a "not-so-bad robot.” Michio Kaku
Looks like we will luck out again. Too bad for all the others.
“The attribution of intelligence to machines, crowds of fragments, or other nerd deities obscures more than it illuminates. When people are told that a computer is intelligent, they become prone to changing themselves in order to make the computer appear to work better, instead of demanding that the computer be changed to become more useful.” Jaron Lanier
That certainly explains something.
“If an AI possessed any one of these skills—social abilities, technological development, economic ability—at a superhuman level, it is quite likely that it would quickly come to dominate our world in one way or another. And as we’ve seen, if it ever developed these abilities to the human level, then it would likely soon develop them to a superhuman level. So we can assume that if even one of these skills gets programmed into a computer, then our world will come to be dominated by AIs or AI-empowered humans.” Stuart Armstrong
Place your bets!
“The Polito form is dead, insect. Are you afraid? What is it you fear? The end of your trivial existence? When the history of my glory is written, your species shall only be a footnote to my magnificence.” Ken Levine
Pick one:
1] Hint, hint
2] Wink, wink
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Free Will
“We're a government that believes in everybody having the illusion of free will.” Anthony Burgess
I'll bet that gets tricky.
“I love men too — not merely individuals, but every one. But I love them with the consciousness of egoism; I love them because love makes me happy, I love because loving is natural to me, because it pleases me. I know no 'commandment of love.' I have a fellow-feeling with every feeling being, and their torment torments, their refreshment refreshes me too; I can kill them, not torture them.” Max Stirner
I'll bet that gets tricky.
“To be a god can ultimately become boring and degrading. There'd be reason enough for the invention of free will! A god might wish to escape into sleep and be alive only in the unconscious projections of his dream-creatures.”― Frank Herbert
Or something like that.
“You may fetter my leg, but Zeus himself cannot get the better of my free will.” Epictetus
How about your God?
“Dear Sir, poor sir, brave sir." he read, "You are an experiment by the Creator of the Universe. You are the only creature in the entire Universe who has free will. You are the only one who has to figure out what to do next - and why. Everybody else is a robot, a machine. Some persons seem to like you, and others seem to hate you, and you must wonder why. They are simply liking machines and hating machines. You are pooped and demoralized, " read Dwayne. "Why wouldn't you be? Of course it is exhausting, having to reason all the time in a universe which wasn't meant to be reasonable.” Kurt Vonnegut
Hear! Hear!
“No one has free will until they are an adult, and by then the choices that were made for them, have already set them on a course that gives limited freedom in the choices to be made.” J.D. Stroube
At least that's cleared up.
“We're a government that believes in everybody having the illusion of free will.” Anthony Burgess
I'll bet that gets tricky.
“I love men too — not merely individuals, but every one. But I love them with the consciousness of egoism; I love them because love makes me happy, I love because loving is natural to me, because it pleases me. I know no 'commandment of love.' I have a fellow-feeling with every feeling being, and their torment torments, their refreshment refreshes me too; I can kill them, not torture them.” Max Stirner
I'll bet that gets tricky.
“To be a god can ultimately become boring and degrading. There'd be reason enough for the invention of free will! A god might wish to escape into sleep and be alive only in the unconscious projections of his dream-creatures.”― Frank Herbert
Or something like that.
“You may fetter my leg, but Zeus himself cannot get the better of my free will.” Epictetus
How about your God?
“Dear Sir, poor sir, brave sir." he read, "You are an experiment by the Creator of the Universe. You are the only creature in the entire Universe who has free will. You are the only one who has to figure out what to do next - and why. Everybody else is a robot, a machine. Some persons seem to like you, and others seem to hate you, and you must wonder why. They are simply liking machines and hating machines. You are pooped and demoralized, " read Dwayne. "Why wouldn't you be? Of course it is exhausting, having to reason all the time in a universe which wasn't meant to be reasonable.” Kurt Vonnegut
Hear! Hear!
“No one has free will until they are an adult, and by then the choices that were made for them, have already set them on a course that gives limited freedom in the choices to be made.” J.D. Stroube
At least that's cleared up.
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Hypocrisy
“He wears a mask, and his face grows to fit it.” George Orwell
That never happen to you?
“The Ministry of Peace concerns itself with war, the Ministry of Truth with lies, the Ministry of Love with torture and the Ministry of Plenty with starvation. These contradictions are not accidental, nor do they result from ordinary hypocrisy: they are deliberate exercises in doublethink.” George Orwell
You know, back in 1984.
“Never start a sentence with the words 'No offense.'" Gretchen Rubin
Let's explain that.
“Your hypocrisy insults my intelligence.” Toba Beta
Again and again and again and again and again, for example.
“When I pretended to be precocious, people started the rumor that I was precocious. When I acted like an idler, rumor had it I was an idler. When I pretended I couldn't write a novel, people said I couldn't write. When I acted like a liar, they called me a liar. When I acted like a rich man, they started the rumor I was rich. When I feigned indifference, they classed me as the indifferent type. But when I inadvertently groaned because I was really in pain, they started the rumor that I was faking suffering. The world is out of joint.” Osamu Dazai
Stooges, he called them.
“The louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons.” Ralph Waldo Emerson
Or, sure, forks and knives.
“He wears a mask, and his face grows to fit it.” George Orwell
That never happen to you?
“The Ministry of Peace concerns itself with war, the Ministry of Truth with lies, the Ministry of Love with torture and the Ministry of Plenty with starvation. These contradictions are not accidental, nor do they result from ordinary hypocrisy: they are deliberate exercises in doublethink.” George Orwell
You know, back in 1984.
“Never start a sentence with the words 'No offense.'" Gretchen Rubin
Let's explain that.
“Your hypocrisy insults my intelligence.” Toba Beta
Again and again and again and again and again, for example.
“When I pretended to be precocious, people started the rumor that I was precocious. When I acted like an idler, rumor had it I was an idler. When I pretended I couldn't write a novel, people said I couldn't write. When I acted like a liar, they called me a liar. When I acted like a rich man, they started the rumor I was rich. When I feigned indifference, they classed me as the indifferent type. But when I inadvertently groaned because I was really in pain, they started the rumor that I was faking suffering. The world is out of joint.” Osamu Dazai
Stooges, he called them.
“The louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons.” Ralph Waldo Emerson
Or, sure, forks and knives.
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Re: Quote of the day
Heaven
“One nice thing about heaven is that you can relive all your favorite moments and memories pretty much as many times as you want—sort of like a DVD of your whole life. Pause, rewind, fast-forward, slowwww motion, all day, every day.” Jess Rothenberg
Sign me up!
“Jesus's resurrection is the beginning of God's new project not to snatch people away from earth to heaven but to colonize earth with the life of heaven. That, after all, is what the Lord's Prayer is about.” N.T. Wright
You tell me.
“If you are a Christian, you are not a citizen of this world trying to get to Heaven; you are a citizen of Heaven making your way through this world. ” Vance Havner
Good to know?
“Now comes the mystery!” Henry Ward Beecher
Said to be his final words.
“The Wizard of Oz says look inside yourself and find self. God says look inside yourself and find the Holy Spirit. The first will get you to Kansas.
The latter will get you to heaven.
Take your pick.” Max Lucado
Too close to call?
“She sealed his lips with a wanton kiss; 'Though I forgive you for breaking your vows to heaven, I expect you to keep your vows to me.” Matthew Lewis
Sound about right?
“One nice thing about heaven is that you can relive all your favorite moments and memories pretty much as many times as you want—sort of like a DVD of your whole life. Pause, rewind, fast-forward, slowwww motion, all day, every day.” Jess Rothenberg
Sign me up!
“Jesus's resurrection is the beginning of God's new project not to snatch people away from earth to heaven but to colonize earth with the life of heaven. That, after all, is what the Lord's Prayer is about.” N.T. Wright
You tell me.
“If you are a Christian, you are not a citizen of this world trying to get to Heaven; you are a citizen of Heaven making your way through this world. ” Vance Havner
Good to know?
“Now comes the mystery!” Henry Ward Beecher
Said to be his final words.
“The Wizard of Oz says look inside yourself and find self. God says look inside yourself and find the Holy Spirit. The first will get you to Kansas.
The latter will get you to heaven.
Take your pick.” Max Lucado
Too close to call?
“She sealed his lips with a wanton kiss; 'Though I forgive you for breaking your vows to heaven, I expect you to keep your vows to me.” Matthew Lewis
Sound about right?
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Re: Quote of the day
Determinism
“We are being inexorably drawn in by a Final cause – the Omega Point – divinity. Divinity = perfect symmetry = the total, flawless alignment of every monad in the Singularity, which equates to the resetting of every monad and the end of a cosmic cycle. This is the moment of Divine Suicide – when all the Gods die. This is Ragnarok. This is Götterdammerung. All the gods must perish. Each cyclical universe must die. Scientists talk of the Heat Death brought about by the Second Law of Thermodynamics. There’s simply no way out.” Mike Hockney
Let's think of one.
"Every person is a puppet who didn't pick his own strings and those strings reach back to the big bang.” Sam Harris
You tell me.
“You can do what you will, but in any given moment of your life you can will only one definite thing and absolutely nothing other than that one thing.” Arthur Schopenhauer
Anyone here know what that actually is?
“Could the completed life course of such a man turn out in any respect, even the smallest, in any happening, any scene, differently from the way it did? No! is the consistent and correct answer.” Arthur Schopenhauer
That certainly settles something.
“You have not built your mind. And in moments in which you seem to build it—when you make an effort to change yourself, to acquire knowledge, or to perfect a skill—the only tools at your disposal are those that you have inherited from moments past.” Sam Harris
Someone run this by the Stooges.
Choices, efforts, intentions, and reasoning influence our behavior—but they are themselves part of a chain of causes that precede conscious awareness and over which we exert no ultimate control. My choices matter—and there are paths toward making wiser ones—but I cannot choose what I choose. And if it ever appears that I do—for instance, after going back and forth between two options—I do not choose to choose what I choose. There is a regress here that always ends in darkness. I must take a first step, or a last one, for reasons that are bound to remain inscrutable.” Sam Harris
Click, to say the least?
“We are being inexorably drawn in by a Final cause – the Omega Point – divinity. Divinity = perfect symmetry = the total, flawless alignment of every monad in the Singularity, which equates to the resetting of every monad and the end of a cosmic cycle. This is the moment of Divine Suicide – when all the Gods die. This is Ragnarok. This is Götterdammerung. All the gods must perish. Each cyclical universe must die. Scientists talk of the Heat Death brought about by the Second Law of Thermodynamics. There’s simply no way out.” Mike Hockney
Let's think of one.
"Every person is a puppet who didn't pick his own strings and those strings reach back to the big bang.” Sam Harris
You tell me.
“You can do what you will, but in any given moment of your life you can will only one definite thing and absolutely nothing other than that one thing.” Arthur Schopenhauer
Anyone here know what that actually is?
“Could the completed life course of such a man turn out in any respect, even the smallest, in any happening, any scene, differently from the way it did? No! is the consistent and correct answer.” Arthur Schopenhauer
That certainly settles something.
“You have not built your mind. And in moments in which you seem to build it—when you make an effort to change yourself, to acquire knowledge, or to perfect a skill—the only tools at your disposal are those that you have inherited from moments past.” Sam Harris
Someone run this by the Stooges.
Choices, efforts, intentions, and reasoning influence our behavior—but they are themselves part of a chain of causes that precede conscious awareness and over which we exert no ultimate control. My choices matter—and there are paths toward making wiser ones—but I cannot choose what I choose. And if it ever appears that I do—for instance, after going back and forth between two options—I do not choose to choose what I choose. There is a regress here that always ends in darkness. I must take a first step, or a last one, for reasons that are bound to remain inscrutable.” Sam Harris
Click, to say the least?
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Re: Quote of the day
Hell
“Hell is truth seen too late.” Thomas Hobbes
Among so many other things, of course.
"I was walking among the fires of Hell, delighted with the enjoyments of Genius; which to Angels look like torment and insanity.” William Blake
Does God know that?
“Oh threats of Hell and Hopes of Paradise!
One thing at least is certain - This Life flies;
One thing is certain and the rest is Lies -
The Flower that once has blown forever dies.” Omar Khayyam
Does the flower know that?
“But unlike you," said Jace, "there is nothing of Hell in us."
"You are mortal; you age; you die," the Queen said dismissively. "If that is not Hell, pray tell me, what is?” Cassandra Clare
Amen?
"So, have a little fun. Soon enough you'll be dead and burning in Hell with the rest of your family.” George Carlin
Next up: fun posting here?
“You think You're frightening me with Your Hell, don't You? You think Your Hell is worse than mine.” Dorothy Parker
Let's settle that.
Yours first.
“Hell is truth seen too late.” Thomas Hobbes
Among so many other things, of course.
"I was walking among the fires of Hell, delighted with the enjoyments of Genius; which to Angels look like torment and insanity.” William Blake
Does God know that?
“Oh threats of Hell and Hopes of Paradise!
One thing at least is certain - This Life flies;
One thing is certain and the rest is Lies -
The Flower that once has blown forever dies.” Omar Khayyam
Does the flower know that?
“But unlike you," said Jace, "there is nothing of Hell in us."
"You are mortal; you age; you die," the Queen said dismissively. "If that is not Hell, pray tell me, what is?” Cassandra Clare
Amen?
"So, have a little fun. Soon enough you'll be dead and burning in Hell with the rest of your family.” George Carlin
Next up: fun posting here?
“You think You're frightening me with Your Hell, don't You? You think Your Hell is worse than mine.” Dorothy Parker
Let's settle that.
Yours first.
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Re: Quote of the day
Stupidity
Stupidity is the action of making no attempt to comprehend another's calculations and considerations about life and in turn making the representation that such a person is stupid.” Ryan Fletcher
Stooges some call them.
“Some people believe that arrogance is a forgivable sign of confidence. They do not understand that arrogance makes them unteachable. It comes from fear. Fear of not knowing. Fear of being stupid. Fear of being wrong. Arrogance is a protection—a faulty one.” Donna Goddard
Here? Let's name names.
“Stupidity is when people refer to books they have never read.” David Omrai
Unless, of course, they can get away with it.
“Whether you move in distinguished circles or you take refuge among the head-hunters of Polynesia, whether you lock yourself into a monastery or decide to spend the rest of your life in the company of beautiful and lascivious women, you always have to face the same percentage of stupid people – which percentage in accordance with the First Law will always surpass your expectations.” Carlo M. Cipolla
Hear! Hear!
“Don’t create a future that’s going to make you long for the past.” Craig D. Lounsbrough
And how stupid is that?
“Don’t underestimate how far your stupidity can take you.” Craig D. Lounsbrough
Right into the White House, for example.
Stupidity is the action of making no attempt to comprehend another's calculations and considerations about life and in turn making the representation that such a person is stupid.” Ryan Fletcher
Stooges some call them.
“Some people believe that arrogance is a forgivable sign of confidence. They do not understand that arrogance makes them unteachable. It comes from fear. Fear of not knowing. Fear of being stupid. Fear of being wrong. Arrogance is a protection—a faulty one.” Donna Goddard
Here? Let's name names.
“Stupidity is when people refer to books they have never read.” David Omrai
Unless, of course, they can get away with it.
“Whether you move in distinguished circles or you take refuge among the head-hunters of Polynesia, whether you lock yourself into a monastery or decide to spend the rest of your life in the company of beautiful and lascivious women, you always have to face the same percentage of stupid people – which percentage in accordance with the First Law will always surpass your expectations.” Carlo M. Cipolla
Hear! Hear!
“Don’t create a future that’s going to make you long for the past.” Craig D. Lounsbrough
And how stupid is that?
“Don’t underestimate how far your stupidity can take you.” Craig D. Lounsbrough
Right into the White House, for example.
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Re: Quote of the day
Artificial Intelligence
“Let me tell you as a brain scientist and a computer engineering dropout - transhumanism is to brain computer interface, what nuclear weapons are to nuclear physics.” Abhijit Naskar
You tell me.
No, really.
“...why don't You try living with my parents for a few years, and Then tell me that sex androids and artificial wombs are a bad idea.” Dmitry Dyatlov
I would never go that far myself. How about you?
“Hofstadter... fears that AI might show us that the human qualities we most value are disappointingly simple to mechanize.” Melanie Mitchell
Just out of curiosity, does that include what we do here?
"From the perspective of deep time, we are extracting Earth's geological history to serve a split second of contemporary technological time, building devices like the Amazon Echo and iPhone that are often designed to last for only a few years.” Kate Crawford
Next up: deep time here.
“It is a common practice of life to focus on the world immediately before us, the one we see and smell and touch every day. It grounds us where we are, with our communities and our known corners and concerns. But to see the full supply chains of Al requires looking for patterns in a global sweep, a sensitivity to the ways in which the histories and specific harms are different from place to place and yet are deeply interconnected by the multiple forces of extraction.” Kate Crawford
Let's consider that a challenge.
“To suggest that we democratize Al to reduce asymmetries of power is a little like arguing for democratizing weapons manufacturing in the service of peace. As Audre Lorde reminds us, the master's tools will never dismantle the master's house.” Kate Crawford
AI and the deep state? Click, of course.
“Let me tell you as a brain scientist and a computer engineering dropout - transhumanism is to brain computer interface, what nuclear weapons are to nuclear physics.” Abhijit Naskar
You tell me.
No, really.
“...why don't You try living with my parents for a few years, and Then tell me that sex androids and artificial wombs are a bad idea.” Dmitry Dyatlov
I would never go that far myself. How about you?
“Hofstadter... fears that AI might show us that the human qualities we most value are disappointingly simple to mechanize.” Melanie Mitchell
Just out of curiosity, does that include what we do here?
"From the perspective of deep time, we are extracting Earth's geological history to serve a split second of contemporary technological time, building devices like the Amazon Echo and iPhone that are often designed to last for only a few years.” Kate Crawford
Next up: deep time here.
“It is a common practice of life to focus on the world immediately before us, the one we see and smell and touch every day. It grounds us where we are, with our communities and our known corners and concerns. But to see the full supply chains of Al requires looking for patterns in a global sweep, a sensitivity to the ways in which the histories and specific harms are different from place to place and yet are deeply interconnected by the multiple forces of extraction.” Kate Crawford
Let's consider that a challenge.
“To suggest that we democratize Al to reduce asymmetries of power is a little like arguing for democratizing weapons manufacturing in the service of peace. As Audre Lorde reminds us, the master's tools will never dismantle the master's house.” Kate Crawford
AI and the deep state? Click, of course.
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Re: Quote of the day
Spacetime
“Spacetime tells matter how to move; matter tells spacetime how to curve.” John Archibald Wheeler
In English?
“Beyond the corridor of our space-time there are infinite numbers of universes, each of them is governed by its own set of laws and physics.” Amit Ray
No, really, imagine if that is actually true.
"The arrow of time obscures memory of both past and future circumstances with innumerable fallacies, the least trivial of which is perception.” Ashim Shanker
That can't be good.
“Behold me - I am a Line, the longest in Lineland, over six inches of Space "Of Length," I ventured to suggest. Fool, said he, Space is Length.” Edwin A Abbott
What, even in Flatland?!
“The fireworks went on for nearly half an hour, great pulsing strobes, fiery dandelions and starbursts of light brightening both sky and water. It was hard to tell which was reality and which was reflection, as if there were two displays, above and below, going on simultaneously—one in space-time, mused Max, and the other in time-space.” Sol Luckman
By the way, how's that work here?
“Self-causation of reality becomes apparent when a phenomenal mind, which is a web of patterns, conceives a novel pattern and perceives it. All mass-energy, space-time itself emerges from consciousness. Those are epiphenomena of consciousness.” Alex M. Vikoulov
Obviously.
“Spacetime tells matter how to move; matter tells spacetime how to curve.” John Archibald Wheeler
In English?
“Beyond the corridor of our space-time there are infinite numbers of universes, each of them is governed by its own set of laws and physics.” Amit Ray
No, really, imagine if that is actually true.
"The arrow of time obscures memory of both past and future circumstances with innumerable fallacies, the least trivial of which is perception.” Ashim Shanker
That can't be good.
“Behold me - I am a Line, the longest in Lineland, over six inches of Space "Of Length," I ventured to suggest. Fool, said he, Space is Length.” Edwin A Abbott
What, even in Flatland?!
“The fireworks went on for nearly half an hour, great pulsing strobes, fiery dandelions and starbursts of light brightening both sky and water. It was hard to tell which was reality and which was reflection, as if there were two displays, above and below, going on simultaneously—one in space-time, mused Max, and the other in time-space.” Sol Luckman
By the way, how's that work here?
“Self-causation of reality becomes apparent when a phenomenal mind, which is a web of patterns, conceives a novel pattern and perceives it. All mass-energy, space-time itself emerges from consciousness. Those are epiphenomena of consciousness.” Alex M. Vikoulov
Obviously.