Is Truth Value Merely an Occurence?

[popeye1945]

Feeling is the act of distinction, regardless of whether thought or feeling preceded the other; distinction is the foundation of consciousness, for consciousness is a distinction.

Feelings are sensations of the body that result from the effects on the body of the outer world as an object. No, consciousness is not a distinction; consciousness is sensation, understanding, and the product of which meaning.

If consciousness is not a distinction, then you are using an empty word that has no meaning for that which is not distinct is not definite.

Alright, semantics is sometimes important. Would awareness suit you as well as distinction? Consciousness, to me, is a reaction, a compound reaction involving the whole body.

[Eodnhoj7]

Feelings are sensations of the body that result from the effects on the body of the outer world as an object. No, consciousness is not a distinction; consciousness is sensation, understanding, and the product of which meaning.

If consciousness is not a distinction, then you are using an empty word that has no meaning for that which is not distinct is not definite.

Alright, semantics is sometimes important. Would awareness suit you as well as distinction? Consciousness, to me, is a reaction, a compound reaction involving the whole body.

Consciousness is distinction...that is evident as it makes its own distinction of being.

[popeye1945]

If consciousness is not a distinction, then you are using an empty word that has no meaning for that which is not distinct is not definite.

Alright, semantics is sometimes important. Would awareness suit you as well as distinction? Consciousness, to me, is a reaction, a compound reaction involving the whole body.

Consciousness is distinction...that is evident as it makes its own distinction of being.

Ok, consciousness as compound reactions is what makes sense to me, the fact that it involves both subject and object means distinction is both reaction and the understanding, understanding being itself just one more reaction which is projected outwardly to a meaningless world.

[Eodnhoj7]

Alright, semantics is sometimes important. Would awareness suit you as well as distinction? Consciousness, to me, is a reaction, a compound reaction involving the whole body.

Consciousness is distinction...that is evident as it makes its own distinction of being.

Ok, consciousness as compound reactions is what makes sense to me, the fact that it involves both subject and object means distinction is both reaction and the understanding, understanding being itself just one more reaction which is projected outwardly to a meaningless world.

Consciousness is a distinction made by consciousness that make consciousness what it is. Biology is one of an infinite number of distinctions and yet by nature of being distinct reflects the same nature of distinction. For example the distinction of branching cracks in a rock share the same form as the branches of a tree or branches of a genetic lineage.

The distinction of "the branch" reflects across innumberable phenomena.

A branch is a form, a form is a distinction, distinctions existence by nature of occurence. We know reality by nature of it occuring. Things just are, "isness" is justification.

[popeye1945]

Consciousness is distinction...that is evident as it makes its own distinction of being.

Ok, consciousness as compound reactions is what makes sense to me, the fact that it involves both subject and object means distinction is both reaction and the understanding, understanding being itself just one more reaction which is projected outwardly to a meaningless world.

Consciousness is a distinction made by consciousness that make consciousness what it is. Biology is one of an infinite number of distinctions and yet by nature of being distinct reflects the same nature of distinction. For example the distinction of branching cracks in a rock share the same form as the branches of a tree or branches of a genetic lineage.

The distinction of "the branch" reflects across numerous phenomena.

A branch is a form, a form is a distinction, distinctions existence by nature of occurence. We know reality by nature of it occuring. Things just are, "isness" is justification.

I feel you are on to something here, but it is not very clear. Let's discuss Darwin's tree of life. Perhaps we can find some common ground here. The characteristics of the object or the world as an object are not consciousness; certainly, pattern recognition of something that consciousness actively does. Consciousness is both sensing and understanding, which together constitute meaning. It is the object or energy form that causes an alteration in the biology of the organism. This is sensing, the effect of which is, through the understanding what it means to the survival and well-being of the body or biology. I think what you are on about is pattern recognition, but this is not an explanation of the processes of consciousness.

[Eodnhoj7]

Ok, consciousness as compound reactions is what makes sense to me, the fact that it involves both subject and object means distinction is both reaction and the understanding, understanding being itself just one more reaction which is projected outwardly to a meaningless world.

Consciousness is a distinction made by consciousness that make consciousness what it is. Biology is one of an infinite number of distinctions and yet by nature of being distinct reflects the same nature of distinction. For example the distinction of branching cracks in a rock share the same form as the branches of a tree or branches of a genetic lineage.

The distinction of "the branch" reflects across numerous phenomena.

A branch is a form, a form is a distinction, distinctions existence by nature of occurence. We know reality by nature of it occuring. Things just are, "isness" is justification.

I feel you are on to something here, but it is not very clear. Let's discuss Darwin's tree of life. Perhaps we can find some common ground here. The characteristics of the object or the world as an object are not consciousness; certainly, pattern recognition of something that consciousness actively does. Consciousness is both sensing and understanding, which together constitute meaning. It is the object or energy form that causes an alteration in the biology of the organism. This is sensing, the effect of which is, through the understanding what it means to the survival and well-being of the body or biology. I think what you are on about is pattern recognition, but this is not an explanation of the processes of consciousness.

Distinction is what allows consciousness to occur, consciousness occurs through distinctions, consciousness is a distinction. By distinction being emerges for emergence is a distinction.

For example I will give two distinctions: branching and spirals.

Where do we see these?

Branching:

Cracks in rock.
Cracks in dry dirt.
Blood vessels.
Veins.
Arteries.
The nervous system.
Tree branches.
Plants branching.
Cracks in a mirror.
Cracks in glass.
Genetic lineage.
Mapped possible outcomes from choice.
Deer antlers.
Streets.
Roads.
Highways.
Meaning of words.
****Darwin's tree of life.
Etc.

The spiral:
Tornadoes
Hurricanes.
Whirlpools.
Snail shells.
Sea shells.
Energy vortexes.
Meaning of words.
Recursive sequences.
Fractals.
Galaxies.
Hypnotic spiral.
Etc.

Now the above is a very short list however what do all these various things contain? Distinctions. The distinction of the branch. The distinction of the spiral.

Distinction is what allows a thing to be and distinctions, such as a branch or spiral, overlay upon other distinctions, such as a hurricane or the nervous system or even how the meaning of words map out.

Distinctions are constant within being, they are being for without distinctions things cease.

Biology is a distinction.

Distinction is occurence.

[popeye1945]

Consciousness is a distinction made by consciousness that make consciousness what it is. Biology is one of an infinite number of distinctions and yet by nature of being distinct reflects the same nature of distinction. For example the distinction of branching cracks in a rock share the same form as the branches of a tree or branches of a genetic lineage.

The distinction of "the branch" reflects across numerous phenomena.

A branch is a form, a form is a distinction, distinctions existence by nature of occurence. We know reality by nature of it occuring. Things just are, "isness" is justification.

I feel you are on to something here, but it is not very clear. Let's discuss Darwin's tree of life. Perhaps we can find some common ground here. The characteristics of the object or the world as an object are not consciousness; certainly, pattern recognition of something that consciousness actively does. Consciousness is both sensing and understanding, which together constitute meaning. It is the object or energy form that causes an alteration in the biology of the organism. This is sensing, the effect of which is, through the understanding what it means to the survival and well-being of the body or biology. I think what you are on about is pattern recognition, but this is not an explanation of the processes of consciousness.

Distinction is what allows consciousness to occur, consciousness occurs through distinctions, consciousness is a distinction. By distinction being emerges for emergence is a distinction.

For example I will give two distinctions: branching and spirals.

Where do we see these?

Branching:

Cracks in rock.
Cracks in dry dirt.
Blood vessels.
Veins.
Arteries.
The nervous system.
Tree branches.
Plants branching.
Cracks in a mirror.
Cracks in glass.
Genetic lineage.
Mapped possible outcomes from choice.
Deer antlers.
Streets.
Roads.
Highways.
Meaning of words.
****Darwin's tree of life.
Etc.

The spiral:
Tornadoes
Hurricanes.
Whirlpools.
Snail shells.
Sea shells.
Energy vortexes.
Meaning of words.
Recursive sequences.
Fractals.
Galaxies.
Hypnotic spiral.
Etc.

Now the above is a very short list however what do all these various things contain? Distinctions. The distinction of the branch. The distinction of the spiral.

Distinction is what allows a thing to be and distinctions, such as a branch or spiral, overlay upon other distinctions, such as a hurricane or the nervous system or even how the meaning of words map out.

Distinctions are constant within being, they are being for without distinctions things cease.

Biology is a distinction.

Distinction is occurrence.

I'm sure somewhere in this soup there is a rational idea, but you need to work on it; presently, it's nonsensical. I think the terminology you're trying to use is self-defeating.

[Eodnhoj7]

I feel you are on to something here, but it is not very clear. Let's discuss Darwin's tree of life. Perhaps we can find some common ground here. The characteristics of the object or the world as an object are not consciousness; certainly, pattern recognition of something that consciousness actively does. Consciousness is both sensing and understanding, which together constitute meaning. It is the object or energy form that causes an alteration in the biology of the organism. This is sensing, the effect of which is, through the understanding what it means to the survival and well-being of the body or biology. I think what you are on about is pattern recognition, but this is not an explanation of the processes of consciousness.

Distinction is what allows consciousness to occur, consciousness occurs through distinctions, consciousness is a distinction. By distinction being emerges for emergence is a distinction.

For example I will give two distinctions: branching and spirals.

Where do we see these?

Branching:

Cracks in rock.
Cracks in dry dirt.
Blood vessels.
Veins.
Arteries.
The nervous system.
Tree branches.
Plants branching.
Cracks in a mirror.
Cracks in glass.
Genetic lineage.
Mapped possible outcomes from choice.
Deer antlers.
Streets.
Roads.
Highways.
Meaning of words.
****Darwin's tree of life.
Etc.

The spiral:
Tornadoes
Hurricanes.
Whirlpools.
Snail shells.
Sea shells.
Energy vortexes.
Meaning of words.
Recursive sequences.
Fractals.
Galaxies.
Hypnotic spiral.
Etc.

Now the above is a very short list however what do all these various things contain? Distinctions. The distinction of the branch. The distinction of the spiral.

Distinction is what allows a thing to be and distinctions, such as a branch or spiral, overlay upon other distinctions, such as a hurricane or the nervous system or even how the meaning of words map out.

Distinctions are constant within being, they are being for without distinctions things cease.

Biology is a distinction.

Distinction is occurrence.

I'm sure somewhere in this soup there is a rational idea, but you need to work on it; presently, it's nonsensical. I think the terminology you're trying to use is self-defeating.

So the branching pattern, fundamentally a "Y", does not repeat across "cracked rocks, veins, trees, human build roads, etc.?" This repeating pattern is nonsensical?

A spiral pattern is not observed in "whirl pools, some sea shells, galaxies, fractals, etc."? This repeating pattern is nonsensical?

I have been through these things with AI and it claims such things as not only sensical but the AI can provide further examples of how certain patterns repeat across phenomena.

[popeye1945]

Distinction is what allows consciousness to occur, consciousness occurs through distinctions, consciousness is a distinction. By distinction being emerges for emergence is a distinction.

For example I will give two distinctions: branching and spirals.

Where do we see these?

Branching:

Cracks in rock.
Cracks in dry dirt.
Blood vessels.
Veins.
Arteries.
The nervous system.
Tree branches.
Plants branching.
Cracks in a mirror.
Cracks in glass.
Genetic lineage.
Mapped possible outcomes from choice.
Deer antlers.
Streets.
Roads.
Highways.
Meaning of words.
****Darwin's tree of life.
Etc.

The spiral:
Tornadoes
Hurricanes.
Whirlpools.
Snail shells.
Sea shells.
Energy vortexes.
Meaning of words.
Recursive sequences.
Fractals.
Galaxies.
Hypnotic spiral.
Etc.

Now the above is a very short list however what do all these various things contain? Distinctions. The distinction of the branch. The distinction of the spiral.

Distinction is what allows a thing to be and distinctions, such as a branch or spiral, overlay upon other distinctions, such as a hurricane or the nervous system or even how the meaning of words map out.

Distinctions are constant within being, they are being for without distinctions things cease.

Biology is a distinction.

Distinction is occurrence.

I'm sure somewhere in this soup there is a rational idea, but you need to work on it; presently, it's nonsensical. I think the terminology you're trying to use is self-defeating.

So the branching pattern, fundamentally a "Y", does not repeat across "cracked rocks, veins, trees, human build roads, etc.?" This repeating pattern is nonsensical?

A spiral pattern is not observed in "whirl pools, some sea shells, galaxies, fractals, etc."? This repeating pattern is nonsensical?

I have been through these things with AI and it claims such things as not only sensical but the AI can provide further examples of how certain patterns repeat across phenomena.

What are you claiming pattern does, in and of itself? Again, any arrangement repeated is a pattern. Where are you going with this? What greater meaning or meanings does this have? The world is full of patterns.

[Eodnhoj7]

I'm sure somewhere in this soup there is a rational idea, but you need to work on it; presently, it's nonsensical. I think the terminology you're trying to use is self-defeating.

So the branching pattern, fundamentally a "Y", does not repeat across "cracked rocks, veins, trees, human build roads, etc.?" This repeating pattern is nonsensical?

A spiral pattern is not observed in "whirl pools, some sea shells, galaxies, fractals, etc."? This repeating pattern is nonsensical?

I have been through these things with AI and it claims such things as not only sensical but the AI can provide further examples of how certain patterns repeat across phenomena.

What are you claiming pattern does, in and of itself? Again, any arrangement repeated is a pattern. Where are you going with this? What greater meaning or meanings does this have? The world is full of patterns.

Simple, consciousness is pattern for the awareness of awareness is inseperable from pattern.

Consciousness extends beyond biology for patterns allow biology to occur.

[popeye1945]

So the branching pattern, fundamentally a "Y", does not repeat across "cracked rocks, veins, trees, human build roads, etc.?" This repeating pattern is nonsensical?

A spiral pattern is not observed in "whirl pools, some sea shells, galaxies, fractals, etc."? This repeating pattern is nonsensical?

I have been through these things with AI and it claims such things as not only sensical but the AI can provide further examples of how certain patterns repeat across phenomena.

What are you claiming pattern does, in and of itself? Again, any arrangement repeated is a pattern. Where are you going with this? What greater meaning or meanings does this have? The world is full of patterns.

Simple, consciousness is pattern for the awareness of awareness is inseperable from pattern.

Consciousness extends beyond biology for patterns allow biology to occur.

Recognizing patterns and recognizing when there is no pattern is knowing the world, but are you saying that the objects which are patterns have meaning in and of themselves? If so, this is nonsense.

[Eodnhoj7]

What are you claiming pattern does, in and of itself? Again, any arrangement repeated is a pattern. Where are you going with this? What greater meaning or meanings does this have? The world is full of patterns.

Simple, consciousness is pattern for the awareness of awareness is inseperable from pattern.

Consciousness extends beyond biology for patterns allow biology to occur.

Recognizing patterns and recognizing when there is no pattern is knowing the world, but are you saying that the objects which are patterns have meaning in and of themselves? If so, this is nonsense.

Conscious is a process of pattern acquisition necessitating by the pattern of consciousness as cyclical self awareness. Consciousness is patterns begetting patterns as a further pattern.

Patterns occur as this occurrence is subject to the four fold laws of occurence.

[popeye1945]

Simple, consciousness is pattern for the awareness of awareness is inseperable from pattern.

Consciousness extends beyond biology for patterns allow biology to occur.

Recognizing patterns and recognizing when there is no pattern is knowing the world, but are you saying that the objects which are patterns have meaning in and of themselves? If so, this is nonsense.

Conscious is a process of pattern acquisition necessitating by the pattern of consciousness as cyclical self awareness. Consciousness is patterns begetting patterns as a further pattern.

Patterns occur as this occurrence is subject to the four fold laws of occurrence.

Patterns mean nothing in the absence of a conscious subject; patterns, objects are the fuel of consciousness; take away consciousness, and they cease to be. Take away the patterns/objects, and consciousness ceases to be, subjectively, the only way you know there is a world. Biology is the measure and the meaning of all things. To understand your subjective reality, think in terms of energy, frequencies, and vibrations. Biological consciousness is the only source of meaning in our subjective world.

[Eodnhoj7]

Recognizing patterns and recognizing when there is no pattern is knowing the world, but are you saying that the objects which are patterns have meaning in and of themselves? If so, this is nonsense.

Conscious is a process of pattern acquisition necessitating by the pattern of consciousness as cyclical self awareness. Consciousness is patterns begetting patterns as a further pattern.

Patterns occur as this occurrence is subject to the four fold laws of occurrence.

Patterns mean nothing in the absence of a conscious subject; patterns, objects are the fuel of consciousness; take away consciousness, and they cease to be. Take away the patterns/objects, and consciousness ceases to be, subjectively, the only way you know there is a world. Biology is the measure and the meaning of all things. To understand your subjective reality, think in terms of energy, frequencies, and vibrations. Biological consciousness is the only source of meaning in our subjective world.

Patterns are consciousness for consciousness is a distinction made by consciousness and the nature of consciousness occurs by nature of patterns.

They are one and the same. To make a distinction otherwise would be to argue against the very same distinctions that allow consciousness to be thus the argument against "consiousness as distinction" would be self-negating.