Why AI Will Enslave Mankind by Mankind's Choice

[Belinda]

Eodbhodg wrote:

The logical end of AI is to make mankind unified as a hive mind by nature of thought control under the terms "convenience", "safety" and "unity".

Not so ; no machine is autonomous . No machine incorporates an "end" if by "end" you mean autonomous purpose. AI machines reflect no more than the purposes of their trainers.

Human values are embodied in the human past and in humans' place in the whole natural ecology.

There are ways we can protect and conserve the human against weaponising , or dehumanising influence of, machines, in particular AI machines.

Those roles are undertaken by poets, hackers, law makers, and keepers of memory such as historians.

Whose power isn't 0.1% of social media.

Hollywood itself is often poetic, historically accurate, and influences ideas . All those John Wayne films are built on the theme of rule of law. Popular arts reflect and influence how people behave.

[Martin Peter Clarke]

Eodbhodg wrote:


Not so ; no machine is autonomous . No machine incorporates an "end" if by "end" you mean autonomous purpose. AI machines reflect no more than the purposes of their trainers.

Human values are embodied in the human past and in humans' place in the whole natural ecology.

There are ways we can protect and conserve the human against weaponising , or dehumanising influence of, machines, in particular AI machines.

Those roles are undertaken by poets, hackers, law makers, and keepers of memory such as historians.

Whose power isn't 0.1% of social media.

AI determines friend recommendations, search results, potential entertainment options, summarized answers to questions, etc. Ai directs the flow of social media.

To control thought is to direct its flow, thought is inevitable thus rather than repressing it it is better to redirect it. That which distracts wins.

Abso-bloody-lootly!

[Martin Peter Clarke]

Eodbhodg wrote:


Not so ; no machine is autonomous . No machine incorporates an "end" if by "end" you mean autonomous purpose. AI machines reflect no more than the purposes of their trainers.

Human values are embodied in the human past and in humans' place in the whole natural ecology.

There are ways we can protect and conserve the human against weaponising , or dehumanising influence of, machines, in particular AI machines.

Those roles are undertaken by poets, hackers, law makers, and keepers of memory such as historians.

Whose power isn't 0.1% of social media.

Hollywood itself is often poetic, historically accurate, and influences ideas . All those John Wayne films are built on the theme of rule of law. Popular arts reflect and influence how people behave.

How true. All part of the weaponising, or dehumanising influence of, machines, in particular AI machines.

[Belinda]

Your reply, Martin, is incomprehensible. Hollywood ,while certainly not Ars Gratia Artis, reflects popular culture and always has done. If you know of any Hollywood production that undermines the rule of law you should say so. I know of nothing of the sort.

[Martin Peter Clarke]

Your reply, Martin, is incomprehensible. Hollywood ,while certainly not Ars Gratia Artis, reflects popular culture and always has done. If you know of any Hollywood production that undermines the rule of law you should say so. I know of nothing of the sort.

We have different Hollwoods obviously. But yes, in the main, it's part of the machine. If not totally. Read Brave New World by Aldous Huxley, 1931. The ruling class are smart enough to allow pathos at injustice. Whilst ensuring law and order for tax payers.

[Belinda]

Your reply, Martin, is incomprehensible. Hollywood ,while certainly not Ars Gratia Artis, reflects popular culture and always has done. If you know of any Hollywood production that undermines the rule of law you should say so. I know of nothing of the sort.

We have different Hollwoods obviously. But yes, in the main, it's part of the machine. If not totally. Read Brave New World by Aldous Huxley, 1931. The ruling class are smart enough to allow pathos at injustice. Whilst ensuring law and order for tax payers.

The judiciary must be separate from political power, so as to have the final word. Freedom for the powerful must give way to real equality. Real equality is defined by John Rawls' veil of ignorance.

The ruling class , if by ruling class we mean capitalists, must allow that AI companies are overseen by citizens who are disinterested in commercial profits
The armoury of control over AI includes hackers who are Captain Swings for the age of AI.

[Martin Peter Clarke]

Your reply, Martin, is incomprehensible. Hollywood ,while certainly not Ars Gratia Artis, reflects popular culture and always has done. If you know of any Hollywood production that undermines the rule of law you should say so. I know of nothing of the sort.

We have different Hollwoods obviously. But yes, in the main, it's part of the machine. If not totally. Read Brave New World by Aldous Huxley, 1931. The ruling class are smart enough to allow pathos at injustice. Whilst ensuring law and order for tax payers.

The judiciary must be separate from political power, so as to have the final word. Freedom for the powerful must give way to real equality. Real equality is defined by John Rawls' veil of ignorance.

The ruling class , if by ruling class we mean capitalists, must allow that AI companies are overseen by citizens who are disinterested in commercial profits
The armoury of control over AI includes hackers who are Captain Swings for the age of AI.

Nice fantasy. Hollywood could make a great film of it. Real equality starts with it being impossible to own land. The novel, like the one about Jesus, would be an epic blockbuster. As good as Greg Bear's Darwin's Radio - Children arc.

[Eodnhoj7]

Your reply, Martin, is incomprehensible. Hollywood ,while certainly not Ars Gratia Artis, reflects popular culture and always has done. If you know of any Hollywood production that undermines the rule of law you should say so. I know of nothing of the sort.

We have different Hollwoods obviously. But yes, in the main, it's part of the machine. If not totally. Read Brave New World by Aldous Huxley, 1931. The ruling class are smart enough to allow pathos at injustice. Whilst ensuring law and order for tax payers.

The judiciary must be separate from political power, so as to have the final word. Freedom for the powerful must give way to real equality. Real equality is defined by John Rawls' veil of ignorance.

The ruling class , if by ruling class we mean capitalists, must allow that AI companies are overseen by citizens who are disinterested in commercial profits
The armoury of control over AI includes hackers who are Captain Swings for the age of AI.

If power is induced by seperation than the logical end is conflict for any and anything that has or seeks power, considering anytime power is deemed lacking than more seperation is required...so on an so forth.