Scrapping the monarchy

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Alexis Jacobi wrote: Fri Aug 08, 2025 12:35 am
MikeNovack wrote: Thu Aug 07, 2025 7:41 pm
Alexis Jacobi wrote: Tue Aug 05, 2025 1:59 pm
Zionism, and Israelism, do indeed define Jewish identity. This is a long-standing creation of Jewry and its problems were noted long ago.

Now the rubber really meets the road. Can Zionist-Israeli identity survive in an world driven by American political idealism where peoples are forced to blend together in “propositional nations” and all former “identifications” are seen as retrograde and as immoral?
This is nothing new for the Tribe of Israel. Went through it before, many times. No reason to suppose will be any different this time around.
I would (respectfully) beg to differ. First, to be a Jew is extremely distinct from being an Israeli. So Jews and Judaism did not require the (rather forced) founding of the Israeli state.

It is a curious contrast, I think, that 30 years ago “the world” insisted that South Africa become one, democratic nation.

In the logic of modernity, I cannot see how modern Israel can escape, if you will, this destiny. Some Israelis say “There are 7 million Jews and 7 million Palestinians within the present borders of Israel and no one is going anywhere…”

The implication is plain.

Israeli identity could change. But Jewish practice will not change.

There is another huge territory of confusion: many millions of Israelis are secular Jews without, in fact, an allegiance to much traditionally associated with “being Jewish”. Their allegiance is to a nation, a state.

Frankly (here I refer to some Jews who say Israel is in deep deep trouble) I do not share your optimism. The establishment of Israel, under those circumstances, and the resulting conflicts, will not turn out well.
So says the pos who believes 'The Jews' are responsible for all the ills of the world. Where do you live? I presume it's in a country that has existed since the dawn of time and was never 'rather forced' into existence. If anything Israel has more of a 'right to exist' than most countries, because it was done legally through land purchase and immigration. Humans are such fucking hypocrites.
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accelafine wrote: Fri Aug 08, 2025 1:12 am
Alexis Jacobi wrote: Fri Aug 08, 2025 12:35 am :idea:
So says the pos who believes 'The Jews' are responsible for all the ills of the world. Where do you live? I presume it's in a country that has existed since the dawn of time and was never 'rather forced' into existence. If anything Israel has more of a 'right to exist' than most countries, because it was done legally through land purchase and immigration. Humans are such fucking hypocrites.
What do you get when you cross a Christian with a Jew?
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attofishpi wrote: Fri Aug 08, 2025 2:20 am
accelafine wrote: Fri Aug 08, 2025 1:12 am
Alexis Jacobi wrote: Fri Aug 08, 2025 12:35 am :idea:
So says the pos who believes 'The Jews' are responsible for all the ills of the world. Where do you live? I presume it's in a country that has existed since the dawn of time and was never 'rather forced' into existence. If anything Israel has more of a 'right to exist' than most countries, because it was done legally through land purchase and immigration. Humans are such fucking hypocrites.
What do you get when you cross a Christian with a Jew?
Two people perpendicular to each other? :?:
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Gary Childress wrote: Fri Aug 08, 2025 2:41 am
attofishpi wrote: Fri Aug 08, 2025 2:20 am
accelafine wrote: Fri Aug 08, 2025 1:12 am
So says the pos who believes 'The Jews' are responsible for all the ills of the world. Where do you live? I presume it's in a country that has existed since the dawn of time and was never 'rather forced' into existence. If anything Israel has more of a 'right to exist' than most countries, because it was done legally through land purchase and immigration. Humans are such fucking hypocrites.
What do you get when you cross a Christian with a Jew?
Two people perpendicular to each other? :?:
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attofishpi wrote: Fri Aug 08, 2025 2:44 am
Gary Childress wrote: Fri Aug 08, 2025 2:41 am
attofishpi wrote: Fri Aug 08, 2025 2:20 am

What do you get when you cross a Christian with a Jew?
Two people perpendicular to each other? :?:
The eloquent genius, the artist that paints with the language of English, Alexis Jacobi!

(*via his parents) 8)
What the fuck is that supposed to mean? You should have just stayed banned.
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accelafine wrote: Fri Aug 08, 2025 2:49 am
attofishpi wrote: Fri Aug 08, 2025 2:44 am
Gary Childress wrote: Fri Aug 08, 2025 2:41 am

Two people perpendicular to each other? :?:
The eloquent genius, the artist that paints with the language of English, Alexis Jacobi!

(*via his parents) 8)
What the fuck is that supposed to mean?


You never were the brightest spark on the forum. Alexis's parents were/are of mixed religion (* one was a Jew, the other was a Christian) <-- I had to state that explicitly for accelafine's comprehension barrier.

accelafine wrote:You should have just stayed banned.
Ya right, you always miss atto. I'm your forum favourite! 8)
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attofishpi wrote: Fri Aug 08, 2025 2:55 am
accelafine wrote: Fri Aug 08, 2025 2:49 am
attofishpi wrote: Fri Aug 08, 2025 2:44 am

The eloquent genius, the artist that paints with the language of English, Alexis Jacobi!

(*via his parents) 8)
What the fuck is that supposed to mean?


You never were the brightest spark on the forum. Alexis's parents were/are of mixed religion (* one was a Jew, the other was a Christian) <-- I had to state that explicitly for accelafine's comprehension barrier.

accelafine wrote:You should have just stayed banned.
Ya right, you always miss atto. I'm your forum favourite! 8)
Right. Because he said it's so (according to you) then it must be so. You fucking moron.
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accelafine wrote: Fri Aug 08, 2025 3:02 am
attofishpi wrote: Fri Aug 08, 2025 2:55 am
accelafine wrote: Fri Aug 08, 2025 2:49 am

What the fuck is that supposed to mean?


You never were the brightest spark on the forum. Alexis's parents were/are of mixed religion (* one was a Jew, the other was a Christian) <-- I had to state that explicitly for accelafine's comprehension barrier.

accelafine wrote:You should have just stayed banned.
Ya right, you always miss atto. I'm your forum favourite! 8)
Right. Because he said it's so then it must be so. You fucking moron.
I'm not allowed to swear but I am certain you'd like to duck me. :lol:
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attofishpi wrote: Fri Aug 08, 2025 3:04 am
accelafine wrote: Fri Aug 08, 2025 3:02 am
attofishpi wrote: Fri Aug 08, 2025 2:55 am

You never were the brightest spark on the forum. Alexis's parents were/are of mixed religion (* one was a Jew, the other was a Christian) <-- I had to state that explicitly for accelafine's comprehension barrier.




Ya right, you always miss atto. I'm your forum favourite! 8)
Right. Because he said it's so then it must be so. You fucking moron.
I'm not allowed to swear but I am certain you'd like to duck me. :lol:
No thanks. I prefer a full head of hair and no mental illness that requires massive amounts of mind-altering drugs.
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accelafine wrote: Fri Aug 08, 2025 3:06 am
attofishpi wrote: Fri Aug 08, 2025 3:04 am
accelafine wrote: Fri Aug 08, 2025 3:02 am

Right. Because he said it's so then it must be so. You fucking moron.
I'm not allowed to swear but I am certain you'd like to duck me. :lol:
No thanks. I prefer a full head of hair
I have a full head of hair, not sure where you got that idea from.

How 'bout you come to Adelaide and fulfil your destiny?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VWkgzu ... rt_radio=1

accelafine wrote:..and no mental illness
I have no mental "illness" - GOD used to put me through literal hell if I ate from the Tree of Know_Ledge.

accelafine wrote:..that requires massive amounts of mind-altering drugs.
I have no idea wot you are talking about.
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attofishpi wrote: Fri Aug 08, 2025 4:16 am
accelafine wrote: Fri Aug 08, 2025 3:06 am
attofishpi wrote: Fri Aug 08, 2025 3:04 am

I'm not allowed to swear but I am certain you'd like to duck me. :lol:
No thanks. I prefer a full head of hair
I have a full head of hair, not sure where you got that idea from.

How 'bout you come to Adelaide and fulfil your destiny?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VWkgzu ... rt_radio=1

accelafine wrote:..and no mental illness
I have no mental "illness" - GOD used to put me through literal hell if I ate from the Tree of Know_Ledge.

accelafine wrote:..that requires massive amounts of mind-altering drugs.
I have no idea wot you are talking about.
Adelaide looks like a nice city, at least in the CBD. I suppose all the feral ozzie serial killers only lurk around the grotty outskirts where you are.
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accelafine wrote: Fri Aug 08, 2025 6:01 am
attofishpi wrote: Fri Aug 08, 2025 4:16 am
accelafine wrote: Fri Aug 08, 2025 3:06 am

No thanks. I prefer a full head of hair
I have a full head of hair, not sure where you got that idea from.

How 'bout you come to Adelaide and fulfil your destiny?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VWkgzu ... rt_radio=1

accelafine wrote:..and no mental illness
I have no mental "illness" - GOD used to put me through literal hell if I ate from the Tree of Know_Ledge.

accelafine wrote:..that requires massive amounts of mind-altering drugs.
I have no idea wot you are talking about.
Adelaide looks like a nice city, at least in the CBD. I suppose all the feral ozzie serial killers only lurk around the grotty outskirts where you are.
All true. A few of them are buried in my back garden, they don't get to lurk anymore. :lol:

Talking of ozzie killers, a new next door neighbour that moved in to rent the house was pissing me off this winter, burning off all sorts in the backyard. So me, being a person that doesn't like putting up with the stench of smoke throughout his house confronted him in the backyard. Eventually he stated "I've just got out, 20 years for murder." Then he proceeded to raise his shirt to show me his tattoos stating bla bla bla...like I was supposed to be impressed or intimidated - looked like those stupid tats that USA gangbangers get. I consider 'men' that get tattoos as peacocks, flaunting their feathers for attention and a point of discussion because they have little to offer via personality.

Let's just say, I was wearing my families Scottish clan crest shirt that I got printed and explained wot the symbology meant. He's never had a anuva fire since, indeed, haven't heard a peep from him. I won't reiterate wot I stated to him re LUCIFER. :twisted:
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attofishpi wrote: Fri Aug 08, 2025 2:55 am You never were the brightest spark on the forum. Alexis's parents were/are of mixed religion (* one was a Jew, the other was a Christian) <-- I had to state that explicitly for accelafine's comprehension barrier.
You have it right of course. But it was entirely secular Reform community in the Bay Area of California. JCC events. The summer camps up in the mountains of California were wonderful. Virtually no religious inflection.
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Trying to think of something interesting I cooked recently. Ah. A curry. Heat up ghee and add cumin, turmeric, black or yellow mustard seeds, coriander, cayenne pepper. Then add cut cherry tomatoes and 1-2 tbsps of garbanzo (chickpea) flour. Salt, etc. cook for 20 minutes. Then blend it till smooth. I stir in some yogurt and top it with fresh cilantro.

Serve it over rice next to other curries. Or cook potatoes, carrots or even spinach in it. Quite versatile …You could cook lamb or chicken it it as well.
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attofishpi wrote: Fri Aug 08, 2025 6:06 am
accelafine wrote: Fri Aug 08, 2025 6:01 am
attofishpi wrote: Fri Aug 08, 2025 4:16 am

I have a full head of hair, not sure where you got that idea from.

How 'bout you come to Adelaide and fulfil your destiny?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VWkgzu ... rt_radio=1




I have no mental "illness" - GOD used to put me through literal hell if I ate from the Tree of Know_Ledge.




I have no idea wot you are talking about.
Adelaide looks like a nice city, at least in the CBD. I suppose all the feral ozzie serial killers only lurk around the grotty outskirts where you are.
All true. A few of them are buried in my back garden, they don't get to lurk anymore. :lol:

Talking of ozzie killers, a new next door neighbour that moved in to rent the house was pissing me off this winter, burning off all sorts in the backyard. So me, being a person that doesn't like putting up with the stench of smoke throughout his house confronted him in the backyard. Eventually he stated "I've just got out, 20 years for murder." Then he proceeded to raise his shirt to show me his tattoos stating bla bla bla...like I was supposed to be impressed or intimidated - looked like those stupid tats that USA gangbangers get. I consider 'men' that get tattoos as peacocks, flaunting their feathers for attention and a point of discussion because they have little to offer via personality.

Let's just say, I was wearing my families Scottish clan crest shirt that I got printed and explained wot the symbology meant. He's never had a anuva fire since, indeed, haven't heard a peep from him. I won't reiterate wot I stated to him re LUCIFER. :twisted:
I'm sure he was terrified of your Scottish clan T shirt so just imagine what damage you would have done the poor man if you'd been wearing your kilt as well :roll:
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Alexis Jacobi wrote: Fri Aug 08, 2025 11:35 am
attofishpi wrote: Fri Aug 08, 2025 2:55 am You never were the brightest spark on the forum. Alexis's parents were/are of mixed religion (* one was a Jew, the other was a Christian) <-- I had to state that explicitly for accelafine's comprehension barrier.
You have it right of course. But it was entirely secular Reform community in the Bay Area of California. JCC events. The summer camps up in the mountains of California were wonderful. Virtually no religious inflection.
__________

Trying to think of something interesting I cooked recently. Ah. A curry. Heat up ghee and add cumin, turmeric, black or yellow mustard seeds, coriander, cayenne pepper. Then add cut cherry tomatoes and 1-2 tbsps of garbanzo (chickpea) flour. Salt, etc. cook for 20 minutes. Then blend it till smooth. I stir in some yogurt and top it with fresh cilantro.

Serve it over rice next to other curries. Or cook potatoes, carrots or even spinach in it. Quite versatile …You could cook lamb or chicken it it as well.
Sounds tasty, I always loved Alu Matter <--- or sumfin like that - an Indian dish with peas n potatoes, cbf looking it up.

We should start a PHN forum recipe club thread! :D
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