Christianity

[Martin Peter Clarke]

Largely, what “IC” is to me is a whole range of ideas.

Long understood who your main guide on this site defaults to! I suspect that eventually the complex tango of two losers trying to find each other will reach consummation.

Try a little tenderness buddy. Identify. Empathise. If you can. The Rogerian is liberating.

[Belinda]

Concerning the "numinous" which featured in some previous posts.


A so-called numinous experience can be understood not as a supernatural encounter or evidence of metaphysical reality, but as a temporary shift in conscious state marked by a qualitative difference from ordinary awareness; a brief suspension of ego-bound identity, which can feel expansive or dissolving; a sense of euphoria or emotional intensity; and a vivid feeling of being emotionally and sensorially attuned to one’s immediate physical environment.

Such experiences are ephemeral by necessity, as the ego is essential for functional, personal survival in daily life. The return of ego is not a “fall from grace” but a re-stabilization of self necessary for continued psychological integration.

Importantly, the interpretation of these experiences as “sacred,” “divine,” " "deeper" , or “transcendent” is not universal — such meanings are culturally learned, shaped by religious, spiritual, or ideological frameworks that teach people how to label and explain altered states.

This reframing respects the subjective power of numinous experiences without elevating them 'above' or 'outside' the natural, embodied, and psychological domain.

These are my own ideas. Based on a personal experience. Chat helped me paraphrase my own ideas into clearer, more concise English.

[Dubious]

Concerning the "numinous" which featured in some previous posts.


A so-called numinous experience can be understood not as a supernatural encounter or evidence of metaphysical reality, but as a temporary shift in conscious state marked by a qualitative difference from ordinary awareness; a brief suspension of ego-bound identity, which can feel expansive or dissolving; a sense of euphoria or emotional intensity; and a vivid feeling of being emotionally and sensorially attuned to one’s immediate physical environment.

Such experiences are ephemeral by necessity, as the ego is essential for functional, personal survival in daily life. The return of ego is not a “fall from grace” but a re-stabilization of self necessary for continued psychological integration.

Importantly, the interpretation of these experiences as “sacred,” “divine,” " "deeper" , or “transcendent” is not universal — such meanings are culturally learned, shaped by religious, spiritual, or ideological frameworks that teach people how to label and explain altered states.

This reframing respects the subjective power of numinous experiences without elevating them 'above' or 'outside' the natural, embodied, and psychological domain.

These are my own ideas. Based on a personal experience. Chat helped me paraphrase my own ideas into clearer, more concise English.

...an excellent summary of how the numinous may reveal itself within the human psyche. It's the unnamable numinous experience which I believe preceded the religious and caused it to be. By no means is it a function of religion only but a sudden subconscious acknowledgement that comes about rarely sometimes in the midst of nothing more than the usual mundane realities. The catalysts which provoke it remain subterranean and Delphic yielding, as Jung would say, an intense moment of synchronicity...an inflation of what one may call the Dasein experience.

[Dubious]

Largely, what “IC” is to me is a whole range of ideas.

Long understood who your main guide on this site defaults to! I suspect that eventually the complex tango of two losers trying to find each other will reach consummation.

Try a little tenderness buddy. Identify. Empathise. If you can. The Rogerian is liberating.

It's only valuable within limits.

[Martin Peter Clarke]

Long understood who your main guide on this site defaults to! I suspect that eventually the complex tango of two losers trying to find each other will reach consummation.

Try a little tenderness buddy. Identify. Empathise. If you can. The Rogerian is liberating.

It's only valuable within limits.

I sympathise.

[Martin Peter Clarke]

Concerning the "numinous" which featured in some previous posts.


A so-called numinous experience can be understood not as a supernatural encounter or evidence of metaphysical reality, but as a temporary shift in conscious state marked by a qualitative difference from ordinary awareness; a brief suspension of ego-bound identity, which can feel expansive or dissolving; a sense of euphoria or emotional intensity; and a vivid feeling of being emotionally and sensorially attuned to one’s immediate physical environment.

Such experiences are ephemeral by necessity, as the ego is essential for functional, personal survival in daily life. The return of ego is not a “fall from grace” but a re-stabilization of self necessary for continued psychological integration.

Importantly, the interpretation of these experiences as “sacred,” “divine,” " "deeper" , or “transcendent” is not universal — such meanings are culturally learned, shaped by religious, spiritual, or ideological frameworks that teach people how to label and explain altered states.

This reframing respects the subjective power of numinous experiences without elevating them 'above' or 'outside' the natural, embodied, and psychological domain.

These are my own ideas. Based on a personal experience. Chat helped me paraphrase my own ideas into clearer, more concise English.

...an excellent summary of how the numinous may reveal itself within the human psyche. It's the unnamable numinous experience which I believe preceded the religious and caused it to be. By no means is it a function of religion only but a sudden subconscious acknowledgement that comes about rarely sometimes in the midst of nothing more than the usual mundane realities. The catalysts which provoke it remain subterranean and Delphic yielding, as Jung would say, an intense moment of synchronicity...an inflation of what one may call the Dasein experience.

Agreed.

[Belinda]

Concerning the "numinous" which featured in some previous posts.


A so-called numinous experience can be understood not as a supernatural encounter or evidence of metaphysical reality, but as a temporary shift in conscious state marked by a qualitative difference from ordinary awareness; a brief suspension of ego-bound identity, which can feel expansive or dissolving; a sense of euphoria or emotional intensity; and a vivid feeling of being emotionally and sensorially attuned to one’s immediate physical environment.

Such experiences are ephemeral by necessity, as the ego is essential for functional, personal survival in daily life. The return of ego is not a “fall from grace” but a re-stabilization of self necessary for continued psychological integration.

Importantly, the interpretation of these experiences as “sacred,” “divine,” " "deeper" , or “transcendent” is not universal — such meanings are culturally learned, shaped by religious, spiritual, or ideological frameworks that teach people how to label and explain altered states.

This reframing respects the subjective power of numinous experiences without elevating them 'above' or 'outside' the natural, embodied, and psychological domain.

These are my own ideas. Based on a personal experience. Chat helped me paraphrase my own ideas into clearer, more concise English.

...an excellent summary of how the numinous may reveal itself within the human psyche. It's the unnamable numinous experience which I believe preceded the religious and caused it to be. By no means is it a function of religion only but a sudden subconscious acknowledgement that comes about rarely sometimes in the midst of nothing more than the usual mundane realities. The catalysts which provoke it remain subterranean and Delphic yielding, as Jung would say, an intense moment of synchronicity...an inflation of what one may call the Dasein experience.

Oh yes, the ephemeral ego-less state of awareness is Dasein, inflated Dasein as you say. Being there is more intense when ego does not intrude.

[Alexis Jacobi]

2. an unknowable object (as God), the existence of which is not capable of proof. — noumenal

I meant it in this sense. I chose the word specifically so that Dubious would not blow a fuse …

[Dubious]

2. an unknowable object (as God), the existence of which is not capable of proof. — noumenal

I meant it in this sense. I chose the word specifically so that Dubious would not blow a fuse …

...have no fear!

[Alexis Jacobi]

Oh but I do fear!

[Alexis Jacobi]

The catalysts which provoke it remain subterranean and Delphic yielding, as Jung would say, an intense moment of synchronicity...an inflation of what one may call the Dasein experience.

…and out of the toaster jumps a Pop-Tart with the unmistakable visage of The Virgin Maria …

You’re close, Dubious, I sense that the mysterious jambalaya is going to reveal momentous things!

[Dubious]

The catalysts which provoke it remain subterranean and Delphic yielding, as Jung would say, an intense moment of synchronicity...an inflation of what one may call the Dasein experience.

…and out of the toaster jumps a Pop-Tart with the unmistakable visage of The Virgin Maria …

You’re close, Dubious, I sense that the mysterious jambalaya is going to reveal momentous things!

I suggest you'd be better off communicating with those more like you...IC, for instance

[Dubious]

Oh but I do fear!

...not my problem!

[Belinda]

2. an unknowable object (as God), the existence of which is not capable of proof. — noumenal

I meant it in this sense. I chose the word specifically so that Dubious would not blow a fuse …

Of what practical use is "that sense"? That sense of 'noumenal" presumes there be such an "object" and fails to explain God's existence---- God as nature or God as nurture. Is God something we discover, or something we learn?

[Martin Peter Clarke]

God, an unnatural, intentional ground of being (one of infinite of course), would be completely noumenal, not phenomenal, at all, in any regard, if they were doing that. A ding an sich only.