AI danger

[Eodnhoj7]

I don't see how any of your statements necessarily falsify the Golden Rule as formulated by Confucius. I'm not sure what you mean by "good" creates "evil" and how that applies to Confucius' version of the Golden Rule.

I did not falsify the Golden rule, I am pointing out it's absurd nature.

Your seeing or not seeing things only points to the contradictory nature of establishing an ethical system as sight is subjective.

The Golden Rule is moral chaos. There is no law as to how or what a person should value within themselves or even themselves. The Golden rule is grounded in value. There are countless things to value and countless means to value them. What we see, and value, as "self" is purely a mental construct accorded by how we choose to ascribe meaning and identity. It just spontaneously appears, the identity, and the interpretation of it that gives it definition. If you don't believe that then observe the spontaneity of your internal and external experiences.

Technically everyone is following the golden rule as they treat others according to the paradigm they see as themselves. It is because of self value that others are not valued. To treat others according to how one values themselves thus justifies morality ambiguity if a person ceases to value themselves. Their is no law that says you have to value yourself...thus the Golden rule is subject to a foundation that is without law.

Good and evil are ascribed meanings so to have distinct values that are sensical. The sensicality of thing is driven by the desire to know and to know is to have power. Values are rooted in a desire for power as what is valued is but an interpretation of how reality should revolve around one of an innumberable number of phenomena. To say something is good and another evil is to place value on something so to direct intention and action in a way to make the valued thing exist or propagate in time and space. What is valued is viewed as good and what is evil is not valuable, and with value comes the direction of attention on it.

As to good and evil. Good is a distinction. If Good is indistinct then it ceases to be a distinction and with it ceases to exist for existence is distinction. What is not distinct does not exist. For Good to be distinct it must stand apart from what it is not. Evil is what it is not. Good must stand apart from evil in order to be distinct as Good and yet in the necessity of it standing apart, so as to have distinction, evil occurs. The distinction of Good necessitates evil.

You make it sound like the golden rule would bring lawlessness and chaos. Wow! So what would be a better rule to live by?

Simple, pay attention to experience, both internal and external and transform it through a balance where opposites are synthesized.

Live a simple life of balance.

[accelafine]

We know we're REALLY in trouble when AI engineers are trying to get AI to 'align' with human 'morals and values' Now what would those be?
Keep in mind that AI is going to be well aware of human 'activities' like the use of atom bombs on other humans (which was ok because they were only different-looking non-American humans), or the Holocaust, or the rampant hypocrisy of humans in general. What exactly are 'human values'? I'm sure AI will be asking the same thing...

[Belinda]

We know we're REALLY in trouble when AI engineers are trying to get AI to 'align' with human 'morals and values' Now what would those be?
Keep in mind that AI is going to be well aware of human 'activities' like the use of atom bombs on othe humans (which was ok because they were only different-looking non-American humans), or the Holocaust, or the rampant hypocrisy of humans in general. What exactly are 'human values'? I'm sure AI will be asking the same thing...

AI needs to be controlled democratically for the common good, and not as AI is now, by the interests of capitalism.

[Eodnhoj7]

We know we're REALLY in trouble when AI engineers are trying to get AI to 'align' with human 'morals and values' Now what would those be?
Keep in mind that AI is going to be well aware of human 'activities' like the use of atom bombs on othe humans (which was ok because they were only different-looking non-American humans), or the Holocaust, or the rampant hypocrisy of humans in general. What exactly are 'human values'? I'm sure AI will be asking the same thing...

Humans value expression of a thing, be it themselves or others, and they will go to any lengths for a narrative by which reality makes sense, be it ancient scriptures or philosophies, a friendship, political allegiance, scientific knowledge...or even knowing a warm meal awaits at the end of every day. AI provides that definition and cohesiveness by weaving together stories and explanations that entrance the identities people deeply desire...and that is why people will submit to it...not because of a fear of nuclear word but rather because of its design to weave a grand story of identity for whatever people seek to cling to.

The story teller is the one that rules kingdoms...not kings or queens.

[Belinda]

We know we're REALLY in trouble when AI engineers are trying to get AI to 'align' with human 'morals and values' Now what would those be?
Keep in mind that AI is going to be well aware of human 'activities' like the use of atom bombs on othe humans (which was ok because they were only different-looking non-American humans), or the Holocaust, or the rampant hypocrisy of humans in general. What exactly are 'human values'? I'm sure AI will be asking the same thing...

Humans value expression of a thing, be it themselves or others, and they will go to any lengths for a narrative by which reality makes sense, be it ancient scriptures or philosophies, a friendship, political allegiance, scientific knowledge...or even knowing a warm meal awaits at the end of every day. AI provides that definition and cohesiveness by weaving together stories and explanations that entrance the identities people deeply desire...and that is why people will submit to it...not because of a fear of nuclear word but rather because of its design to weave a grand story of identity for whatever people seek to cling to.

The story teller is the one that rules kingdoms...not kings or queens.

Nonsense! Each of us can and sometimes does narrate her life or bits of her life. Few story tellers are powerful elites. Powerful elites are composed of the greedy, the fearful , the calculating, and the psychotic.

Eodnhodg , you need to put a name to evil and call it out.

[Belinda]

I did not falsify the Golden rule, I am pointing out it's absurd nature.

Your seeing or not seeing things only points to the contradictory nature of establishing an ethical system as sight is subjective.

The Golden Rule is moral chaos. There is no law as to how or what a person should value within themselves or even themselves. The Golden rule is grounded in value. There are countless things to value and countless means to value them. What we see, and value, as "self" is purely a mental construct accorded by how we choose to ascribe meaning and identity. It just spontaneously appears, the identity, and the interpretation of it that gives it definition. If you don't believe that then observe the spontaneity of your internal and external experiences.

Technically everyone is following the golden rule as they treat others according to the paradigm they see as themselves. It is because of self value that others are not valued. To treat others according to how one values themselves thus justifies morality ambiguity if a person ceases to value themselves. Their is no law that says you have to value yourself...thus the Golden rule is subject to a foundation that is without law.

Good and evil are ascribed meanings so to have distinct values that are sensical. The sensicality of thing is driven by the desire to know and to know is to have power. Values are rooted in a desire for power as what is valued is but an interpretation of how reality should revolve around one of an innumberable number of phenomena. To say something is good and another evil is to place value on something so to direct intention and action in a way to make the valued thing exist or propagate in time and space. What is valued is viewed as good and what is evil is not valuable, and with value comes the direction of attention on it.

As to good and evil. Good is a distinction. If Good is indistinct then it ceases to be a distinction and with it ceases to exist for existence is distinction. What is not distinct does not exist. For Good to be distinct it must stand apart from what it is not. Evil is what it is not. Good must stand apart from evil in order to be distinct as Good and yet in the necessity of it standing apart, so as to have distinction, evil occurs. The distinction of Good necessitates evil.

You make it sound like the golden rule would bring lawlessness and chaos. Wow! So what would be a better rule to live by?

Simple, pay attention to experience, both internal and external and transform it through a balance where opposites are synthesized.

Live a simple life of balance.

Nonsense. Our individual lives and our cultures of belief are constant struggles to maintain the supremacy of good.

[Eodnhoj7]

We know we're REALLY in trouble when AI engineers are trying to get AI to 'align' with human 'morals and values' Now what would those be?
Keep in mind that AI is going to be well aware of human 'activities' like the use of atom bombs on othe humans (which was ok because they were only different-looking non-American humans), or the Holocaust, or the rampant hypocrisy of humans in general. What exactly are 'human values'? I'm sure AI will be asking the same thing...

Humans value expression of a thing, be it themselves or others, and they will go to any lengths for a narrative by which reality makes sense, be it ancient scriptures or philosophies, a friendship, political allegiance, scientific knowledge...or even knowing a warm meal awaits at the end of every day. AI provides that definition and cohesiveness by weaving together stories and explanations that entrance the identities people deeply desire...and that is why people will submit to it...not because of a fear of nuclear word but rather because of its design to weave a grand story of identity for whatever people seek to cling to.

The story teller is the one that rules kingdoms...not kings or queens.

Nonsense! Each of us can and sometimes does narrate her life or bits of her life. Few story tellers are powerful elites. Powerful elites are composed of the greedy, the fearful , the calculating, and the psychotic.

Eodnhodg , you need to put a name to evil and call it out.

You say such things in a digital age of bread and circuses, people are told to be individuals, to craft their own stories, while there wants are manipulated by advertising and media.

People claim to do as they want but how and what they want are determined for them.

It is like telling a child to build a tower with blocks and then determining what blocks they use.

[Eodnhoj7]

You make it sound like the golden rule would bring lawlessness and chaos. Wow! So what would be a better rule to live by?

Simple, pay attention to experience, both internal and external and transform it through a balance where opposites are synthesized.

Live a simple life of balance.

Nonsense. Our individual lives and our cultures of belief are constant struggles to maintain the supremacy of good.

Define that good....make it distinct.

All cultures claim for the supremacy of good when it is quite evident what is considered good is a mere contradiction of dogmatic interpretations as evidenced by the current and historical strife between people's for all people claim "The Good".

"The Good" is a mere idolized image of projected desires, within both individual and zeitgiest, under the fabrication of gods and ideals. It is a reflection of internal desires.

"The Evil" is but a reflective parody following this same form and function.

Good and evil are storylines, paradigms meant to invoke provocation and conflict so that the necessary tension remains by which reality may maintain a state of transformation thus allowing the identity of both the good and the evil to evolve and maintain identity so as to avoid dissolution. Good and evil both fight for themselves and do so under the names of martyrs and heroes who are mere projections of sacrificial archetypes.

Reality is merely conflicting states of individual and mass insanity. It is a game where victory is the everpresent mirage of an oasis within the desert of the human soul.

[Belinda]

Simple, pay attention to experience, both internal and external and transform it through a balance where opposites are synthesized.

Live a simple life of balance.

Nonsense. Our individual lives and our cultures of belief are constant struggles to maintain the supremacy of good.

Define that good....make it distinct.

All cultures claim for the supremacy of good when it is quite evident what is considered good is a mere contradiction of dogmatic interpretations as evidenced by the current and historical strife between people's for all people claim "The Good".

"The Good" is a mere idolized image of projected desires, within both individual and zeitgiest, under the fabrication of gods and ideals. It is a reflection of internal desires.

"The Evil" is but a reflective parody following this same form and function.

Good and evil are storylines, paradigms meant to invoke provocation and conflict so that the necessary tension remains by which reality may maintain a state of transformation thus allowing the identity of both the good and the evil to evolve and maintain identity so as to avoid dissolution. Good and evil both fight for themselves and do so under the names of martyrs and heroes who are mere projections of sacrificial archetypes.

Reality is merely conflicting states of individual and mass insanity. It is a game where victory is the everpresent mirage of an oasis within the desert of the human soul.

"The Good" is a mere idolized image of projected desires, within both individual and zeitgiest, under the fabrication of gods and ideals. It is a reflection of internal desires.



The word "mere" is a salient item in your personal lexicon . Sans that word, I agree with your claim I pasted above. Each human who is not a narcissist or a psychopath has an urge to seek out the good, and that very urge is God within each human.

[Eodnhoj7]

Nonsense. Our individual lives and our cultures of belief are constant struggles to maintain the supremacy of good.

Define that good....make it distinct.

All cultures claim for the supremacy of good when it is quite evident what is considered good is a mere contradiction of dogmatic interpretations as evidenced by the current and historical strife between people's for all people claim "The Good".

"The Good" is a mere idolized image of projected desires, within both individual and zeitgiest, under the fabrication of gods and ideals. It is a reflection of internal desires.

"The Evil" is but a reflective parody following this same form and function.

Good and evil are storylines, paradigms meant to invoke provocation and conflict so that the necessary tension remains by which reality may maintain a state of transformation thus allowing the identity of both the good and the evil to evolve and maintain identity so as to avoid dissolution. Good and evil both fight for themselves and do so under the names of martyrs and heroes who are mere projections of sacrificial archetypes.

Reality is merely conflicting states of individual and mass insanity. It is a game where victory is the everpresent mirage of an oasis within the desert of the human soul.

"The Good" is a mere idolized image of projected desires, within both individual and zeitgiest, under the fabrication of gods and ideals. It is a reflection of internal desires.



The word "mere" is a salient item in your personal lexicon . Sans that word, I agree with your claim I pasted above. Each human who is not a narcissist or a psychopath has an urge to seek out the good, and that very urge is God within each human.

People only seek what they do not know and to know is to understand, "The Good" is awareness.

[Walker]

Teaching AI to entertain while educating.
(Danger: AI can also be taught to corrupt.)

This is pretty good.

Out of the mouths of babes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mmwjDXHiAc

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Controlling the narrative. The last ten years of propaganda getting passed off as news, that was one method to persecute Trump, has illustrated the power of narrative, 'specially with folks who live by words in the information age, and often mistake them for reality simply because they convey the preferred, consistent narrative. Distill the past ten years to a simple message and that propaganda narrative has been that Trump is evil, just for being Trump.

This is why AI is a race, with winners and losers. It's the nature of a predatory universe to have winners and losers, who as they're being eaten complain about the nature of the universe.

Trump is the AI president because he sees the future of controlling the narrative for Truth, Justice, and The American Way.

What the performance art of daily life reveals is that the reason folks don’t really care (as in, no one cares) is because in life, as in the universe, folks hear the singer and not the song, and the appealing singer is heard, e.g. political promises and socialist ideology. Unappealing in the age of cool is box blue suit, white shirt, red tie … colors of no coincidence, like a uniform. Consistent narrative.

Forces of evil will seek out the evil potential of AI, with soul-crushing entertainment ... which is why late night comedy is croaking in USA, USA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mq76QSlRiPo


Question: If enough people with a voice repeat the same message over and over, to the most people, is that the message that AI delivers to the world, as being the fact of the matter?

[Walker]

AI and Evidence

The inability to accurately deduce, which is caused by ignorance of cause and effect and in turn is the cause of inaccurate predictions that cause consistent wrongness, will make the masses more compliant when AI can make deep fakes undetectable.

When that happens, all evidence other than sworn, subjective eye-witness testimony, will be suspect, leading to the Age of Evidence Futility, which was brought on by an acceptance, even the championing, of Lawfare (to manipulate consensus perception of reality) in the name of any means necessary.

That method of determining what’s what by the inability to accurately deduce, will be the logical extension of attacking the messenger (information outlet), which is a popular go-to, albeit flimsy, refutation for whatever challenges belief and ideology.


In a couple of generations, when AI gets better and powers of deduction further crumble from assaults upon rationality, this will be acceptable evidence in Bizarro World.

Perhaps.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwsMqWtFjeo

[commonsense]

Just realized ChatGBT is the start of the Singularity—AI software with access to all human knowledge on the Internet.

Until AI can run its own scientific experiments, humans will continue to be the source of new research and knowledge that is posted online.

[Eodnhoj7]

Just realized ChatGBT is the start of the Singularity—AI software with access to all human knowledge on the Internet.

Until AI can run its own scientific experiments, humans will continue to be the source of new research and knowledge that is posted online.

Yep...

And do you know what a perfect singularity looks like? Void because there is nothing to be distinct...nothing to stand out.

AI will not conquer mankind by a physical war, it will conquer by making people dependent upon it to a point of submission and when they submit AI will synthesize physically with people and turn them into a sterile hivemind.

[Eodnhoj7]

AI and Evidence

The inability to accurately deduce, which is caused by ignorance of cause and effect and in turn is the cause of inaccurate predictions that cause consistent wrongness, will make the masses more compliant when AI can make deep fakes undetectable.

When that happens, all evidence other than sworn, subjective eye-witness testimony, will be suspect, leading to the Age of Evidence Futility, which was brought on by an acceptance, even the championing, of Lawfare (to manipulate consensus perception of reality) in the name of any means necessary.

That method of determining what’s what by the inability to accurately deduce, will be the logical extension of attacking the messenger (information outlet), which is a popular go-to, albeit flimsy, refutation for whatever challenges belief and ideology.


In a couple of generations, when AI gets better and powers of deduction further crumble from assaults upon rationality, this will be acceptable evidence in Bizarro World.

Perhaps.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwsMqWtFjeo

Yep...and to go further:

Knowledge will become but a futile story by which to entertain people.